Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by BobS:
That proves nothing to the Kaepernick lovers, their excuses just mount as he sucks more. What makes it even worse is the NFL still is progressively calling games to favor the passing attack DBs don't even get away in 2015 with what they did in 2014, 2013, etc. Roughing the passer calls are also easier to get now than in 2014,2013. Even without improved play a QBs numbers should go up. All this and Kap goes down and down.

More BS what do roughing the passer calls have to do with terrible blocking and a pass rush? That doesn't stop a line from breaking down and having less time to throw. Oh wait it's all Kaps fault. Gabbert lit the league on fire!!!! He tore it up!!! Tom Brady #2.

Maiocco on his Periscope said that Kap coming back looks more probable should the Niners hire an offensive minded coach. Also, again noted the $3M salary cap credit the Niners will get towards Kap's 2016 salary due to his injury in 2015.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Maiocco on his Periscope said that Kap coming back looks more probable should the Niners hire an offensive minded coach. Also, again noted the $3M salary cap credit the Niners will get towards Kap's 2016 salary due to his injury in 2015.

Get ready for half the board to kill themselves, then when Kap starts doing good again. Silence.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:
Just hasn't shown what it takes to play NFL-grade QB.

What do you mean he hasn't shown it. Some of you have mental block. Did you just forget everything he's done prior to this year.

I feel like both sides of the argument could use this post too though haha I love Kense's "YUP LOL" to the pic but I think Kense occasionally suffers from whatever this thing is lol

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Kap was embarrassingly bad last year. The blind defending of his play is a joke. That said, he is the best option going into next year. Please don't start the year with Blaine. God no.

I don't think we are going to draft Goff. That is the only way I could put up with backup Blaine. Since we aren't getting Goff, give a real coach a shot at reviving Kap. After that, no excuses.

Out of curiosity, I would like to see a clarification of this. If you think Kap was that bad, how do you reckon him as the best option for next year? I see you don't want to start next year with Gabbert, but would you not agree that he has playing better this year than Kaepernick? So how do you know he won't also play better next year?

I would have no problem with getting a real solid OC and putting Kaepernick, Gabbert and a draftee together next year into TC and going with the winner. The thing is, I don't know who the winner would be and I am curious to see your reasoning.

What's up English.

Kap's talent level and package is insane in a good way. He has a cannon with WR speed. That is always tantalizing. We've seen him have success. Blaine has never had consistent success in the NFL. He had a great game this year against ATL and played poorly for the most part after. He made a few plays, but wasn't consistent. I guess he played better than Kap, but that isn't saying anything. Kap was literally non functional as he had a mental breakdown essentially.

I think Kap's ceiling is much higher. Maybe a great coach can harness that. The NFL films guru (love his work because it's unbiased) Cossell says that Gabbert feels pressure way too quickly and moves out of the pocket too soon (leaves a lot of throws on the field). He also is too conservative. Therefore, sounds like he has issues upstairs like Kap does. If they both have mental breakdowns, and need major resurrecting, I would rather go with a guy who has an insane talent level.

Blaine is still a quality backup. I think his conservative demeanor can bode well as a backup where he will make less mistakes and not "lose the game for you." As we all know, having good backups is invaluable.

Thanks. Certainly hoping for nothing short of great QB coaching. I don't care who lines up behind center next year. I just want him to set the goddam world on fire!!

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

You all keep posting that BS while ignoring what was happening with the Team overall, Injuries, front office distractions come into play with the fall off in 2014 and 2015 and 2014 wasn't bad either.

Typical Kap fan, factual statistics are BS to them Most of you were complaining about the O-line in 2012, and 2013 also. Odd also how you ignore the fact that Kaepernick has had the same flaws whether the line play has been good or bad. He has always been a one read QB with no pocket presence or field vision, no matter who his teammates or coaches were. It just took the league a while to figure him out, once they did he was done.

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Maiocco on his Periscope said that Kap coming back looks more probable should the Niners hire an offensive minded coach. Also, again noted the $3M salary cap credit the Niners will get towards Kap's 2016 salary due to his injury in 2015.

Get ready for half the board to kill themselves, then when Kap starts doing good again. Silence.

What would you expect the board to do if he started doing good again? Damnnn bro make up your mind lol.

If Kap does good again like he did in prior seasons, the entire board will shut up and u SHOULD be happy about it. I dont think theres nothing more than a majority of the people here would like, than to see Kaepernick turn it around and light this place up and carry our team. But from my stand point hes only been regressing since the end of 2013 and i dont expect it, nor am I willing to waste more time on him. Ive learned my lesson on that. If we want to use Gab or Kap as a stop gap so be it.

I think for both sides of this argument, ideally we keep kap, and we draft a QB round 1. Let Kap battle it out for the people who still thinks hes got it, and also gives us fans who do not think he has it anymore, something to look forward to in case we are right.

The reason alot of people outside of this forum want Kap gone is because of his regression and the $$$cap hit we get from him, at least thats what ive come to understand from the outside webzone world.

Originally posted by BobS:
Typical Kap fan, factual statistics are BS to them Most of you were complaining about the O-line in 2012, and 2013 also. Odd also how you ignore the fact that Kaepernick has had the same flaws whether the line play has been good or bad. He has always been a one read QB with no pocket presence or field vision, no matter who his teammates or coaches were. It just took the league a while to figure him out, once they did he was done.

Kap fan? Try 49er fan who respects people who actually succeed. Meanwhile you're obsessed with a career looser who hasn't done anything to deserve you wanting to give him a chance over a guy who has been in the playoffs and a superbowl. One read QB. Right. . You're right stats don't mean anything when you use them for your biased agenda without looking at the whole picture.

Originally posted by BobS:
Typical Kap fan, factual statistics are BS to them Most of you were complaining about the O-line in 2012, and 2013 also. Odd also how you ignore the fact that Kaepernick has had the same flaws whether the line play has been good or bad. He has always been a one read QB with no pocket presence or field vision, no matter who his teammates or coaches were. It just took the league a while to figure him out, once they did he was done.

Dear god, Thl and Jonny have both made plenty of film breakdown posts of Kap going through multiple reads.

Did he sleep with your girl or something? Don't get the irrational hatred in the face of evidence and logical arguments.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
What would you expect the board to do if he started doing good again? Damnnn bro make up your mind lol.

If Kap does good again like he did in prior seasons, the entire board will shut up and u SHOULD be happy about it. I dont think theres nothing more than a majority of the people here would like, than to see Kaepernick turn it around and light this place up and carry our team. But from my stand point hes only been regressing since the end of 2013 and i dont expect it, nor am I willing to waste more time on him. Ive learned my lesson on that. If we want to use Gab or Kap as a stop gap so be it.

I think for both sides of this argument, ideally we keep kap, and we draft a QB round 1. Let Kap battle it out for the people who still thinks hes got it, and also gives us fans who do not think he has it anymore, something to look forward to in case we are right.

The reason alot of people outside of this forum want Kap gone is because of his regression and the $$$cap hit we get from him, at least thats what ive come to understand from the outside webzone world.

Outside of this Forum? Do you live in the Bay Area? Nobody here wants him gone. They gave him an ovation when he came back into the game this year. So what do you mean outside this forum?

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
What would you expect the board to do if he started doing good again? Damnnn bro make up your mind lol.

If Kap does good again like he did in prior seasons, the entire board will shut up and u SHOULD be happy about it. I dont think theres nothing more than a majority of the people here would like, than to see Kaepernick turn it around and light this place up and carry our team. But from my stand point hes only been regressing since the end of 2013 and i dont expect it, nor am I willing to waste more time on him. Ive learned my lesson on that. If we want to use Gab or Kap as a stop gap so be it.

I think for both sides of this argument, ideally we keep kap, and we draft a QB round 1. Let Kap battle it out for the people who still thinks hes got it, and also gives us fans who do not think he has it anymore, something to look forward to in case we are right.

The reason alot of people outside of this forum want Kap gone is because of his regression and the $$$cap hit we get from him, at least thats what ive come to understand from the outside webzone world.

Outside of this Forum? Do you live in the Bay Area? Nobody here wants him gone. They gave him an ovation when he came back into the game this year. So what do you mean outside this forum?

Yes i live in the Bay area. Yes i work in the Bay area. I read newspapers, outlets, radio occasionally etc. Your friends dont make up the whole bay area Kense....

Oh and forgot, my immediate family also owns season tickets.

Ultimately, I don't care if it's Kap or Gabbert or a new QB that next leads the 49ers to the playoffs and/or championships. I just want it to happen. Right now between the two incumbent QBs I just think Gabbert has a better chance to improve, because 1) he's arrow up from previous seasons in regards to his performance overall this year, 2) he's younger, 3) he has superior pocket presence overall, 4) he has far better mechanics and touch on his throws, 5) he seems to read the field better. With a new coach that knows offense I think he could really improve quickly. My concerns with Kaepernick right now are his poor mechanics and continued regression. If a new coach fixes that and gets him not only to at least his previous quality but even better, then great!

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not ready to give up on Kaepernick yet either, but his performance in the first 8 games of the season was far below what Gabbert did in the final 8 games. My best hope for him is that another team will take on the project and give us a draft pick or two. Right now I would be delighted with a 3rd, but I'm not holding my breath.

Kaepernick's NFL QB rating for the past 4 years:

2012 - 98

2013 - 91

2014 - 86

2015 - 78

There is a pattern here that did not just start this season.

Blindfury - PFF grades for 2014 are no longer available but I am sure they would show the same pattern as the NFL rating.

You all keep posting that BS while ignoring what was happening with the Team overall, Injuries, front office distractions come into play with the fall off in 2014 and 2015 and 2014 wasn't bad either.

OK. You want to ignore the evidence. Let me put those numbers in perspective.

2012 - A rating of 98 put him in the slightly above average category. There were 9 other QBs with a higher rating. He certainly looked promising. In 2015, Matthew Stafford has a similar rating. Good, but certainly not great.

2013 - 91 has him #10 in the middle of a closely grouped cluster of others but with a drop off in overall efficiency. Still playing with a solid OL. By 2015 standards that puts him at the same level as Luke McCown.

2014 - 86 drops him to #24. By 2015 = Sam Bradford whom the Eagles are reported to be wanting to replace. Still a good OL although the distractions do come into play.

2015 - 76 = Matt Schaub who is looking for work.

I just don't see how anyone can consider him starting grade after seeing this decline in all levels of his performance.

Originally posted by Kense:
What do you mean he hasn't shown it. Some of you have mental block. Did you just forget everything he's done prior to this year.

Someone posted this on the kap injury news today on PFT:

""Get him healthy, solid offensive line and a coaching staff and he will be back to form when he won 3 road playoff games in 2 years.

You people are kidding yourselves. He peaked in 2012. He's gone backward every year since.

In 2012, 7 quality starts 1 average. (8 games)
In 2013, 8 quality starts, 4 average, 4 disaster (16 games)
In 2014, 5 quality starts, 8 average, 3 disaster (16 games)
In 2015, 2 quality starts, 1 average, 4 disaster (8 games)

Gabbert, fwiw, with the same crappy situation in 2015:

4 quality starts, 3 average, 1 disaster start.

So, it's not coaching beacuse they got the same coaching. It's not personnel beceause Kaepernick had a better supporting cast.

What is is, is the NFL has figured him out. They took away his gimmicks. He's not been able to compensate. So at this point, he's not even a game manager.

What he is, is an athelte who teases with 'potential' but lacks the key ingredients to realize that potential. And that's NORMAL. There are only a handful of true difference making QBs in the NFL.

It's no indictment of anyone. NFL QB is THE hardest position to master in sports. The failure rate of great college QBs is astronomical.

And pretending a guy who was successful by being a junk-offense, street-ball QB that has been completely incapable of moving forward when that was taken away is just not realistic. It's time to move on.

Let's face it, the NFL is the place where 'great' college athletes and QBs go to fail."


Can't really argue with that

Originally posted by Kense:

Originally posted by BobS:
Typical Kap fan, factual statistics are BS to them Most of you were complaining about the O-line in 2012, and 2013 also. Odd also how you ignore the fact that Kaepernick has had the same flaws whether the line play has been good or bad. He has always been a one read QB with no pocket presence or field vision, no matter who his teammates or coaches were. It just took the league a while to figure him out, once they did he was done.

Kap fan? Try 49er fan who respects people who actually succeed. Meanwhile you're obsessed with a career looser who hasn't done anything to deserve you wanting to give him a chance over a guy who has been in the playoffs and a superbowl. One read QB. Right. . You're right stats don't mean anything when you use them for your biased agenda without looking at the whole picture.

Find one post where I said Gabbert was any good. Also you need to check the calendar, it is 2016, 2012, and 2013 are long gone and they aren't coming back. Live in the present, not the past. 2013 is as relevant to Kap as it is to Peyton Manning. Kap was beaten by defenses Manning by father time.