49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

The top-10 run-blocking offensive lines in the NFL! ⬇️

📰: https://t.co/ZlwmpmFyJ3 pic.twitter.com/acWpXvfkNc

— PFF (@PFF) September 5, 2019

Only four of those teams rank top 10 in $ investments in OL (Cowboys, Eagles, Titans, Niners). Four are in the bottom 10 (Broncos, Colts, Pats, and Rams).

— Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) September 5, 2019

The importance of scouting OL talent and developing young talent. Although, this is just run blocking...our strength.

The amount of money we gave Weston is crazy.

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by NCommand:

The top-10 run-blocking offensive lines in the NFL! ⬇️

📰: https://t.co/ZlwmpmFyJ3 pic.twitter.com/acWpXvfkNc

— PFF (@PFF) September 5, 2019

Only four of those teams rank top 10 in $ investments in OL (Cowboys, Eagles, Titans, Niners). Four are in the bottom 10 (Broncos, Colts, Pats, and Rams).

— Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) September 5, 2019

The importance of scouting OL talent and developing young talent. Although, this is just run blocking...our strength.

The amount of money we gave Weston is crazy.

Not when you look at his PFF rating before signing and compare what he got to other elite interior lineman. He's the 5th highest paid center and would be the 12th highest paid interior lineman.

Also, just wanna point out. Did anyone not see the GB game last night? GB's offensive line looked awful. Like, not even awful, worse. Same with Chicago's. Those two lines, I watched during the player intros, didn't have a single guy ranked worse than 15th in the league at their respective positions.

Matt LeFleur's offense was a lot closer to Shanny's than I thought it would be. So that should tell us something about how it takes a little while for these lines to grasp this offense. When it works, it's beautiful. But, getting through the learning stages is going to be rough, even for some of the best guys out there. That's why I feel like they value continuity over forcing change.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Ahhhhh, I love you, NC, but I'm calling BS on this one. You've been talking even since last year about investing heavily in the OL and how they haven't. You got all upset they didn't go spend 15 mil a year on Norwell.

Also, I pointed out a number of pages ago that they've acquired more OL than any other position group in an attempt to do exactly what you're saying and you keep saying it hasn't been any quality. You can't have both. Either the OL is a crapshoot and you keep taking shots and finding those diamonds in the rough or you don't. You've been acting like they just don't see the group as important yet they've invested more roster spots in that position group than any other trying to scout and develop young talent.

JD

I just want to confirm. You're designating Cooper, Zuttah, Beadles, Fusco, Gilliam, and Young an attempt at quality? I'm not so sure if I equate transactions to priority. It's the difference between transaction at the dollar store and transactions at Macy's. Although both might register as transactions, they're really not the same I'd argue. I'm just curious about where you're going here (and I read your earlier post outlining transactions per position group).

What I'm getting at is that we've been complaining for 2 years about the OL for them to do something. They've spent a 1st round pick, traded for guys with draft picks and spent other draft picks on guys. Because those guys haven't panned out we then say, "they haven't done anything to even try and upgrade the OL". No, they did, they did a lot of things. Not many of them have panned out. Zuttaah was acquired 2 months after he played in the pro-bowl, Richburg was the highest graded center available, Cooper had come of a very good season. None of those guys panned out for various reasons. I don't blame Lynch or Shanahan for that. They tried, they went after proven talent. Fusco wasn't as bad as advertised, he went to the super bowl contending Falcons and won the starting spot there.

I see your dollar store and Macy's argument but mine is more like they went to the furniture outlet and got a recliner that the mechanism broke on it in the first 4 months. Sometimes that happens and sometimes you get one that lasts 25 years. Sometimes things happen.

My point is also that we can't say they need to draft and scout OL and build that way, when they've invested a lot of roster spots on the OL. Again, just because some of those guys don't pan out we can't say they aren't trying.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by NCommand:

The top-10 run-blocking offensive lines in the NFL! ⬇️

📰: https://t.co/ZlwmpmFyJ3 pic.twitter.com/acWpXvfkNc

— PFF (@PFF) September 5, 2019

Only four of those teams rank top 10 in $ investments in OL (Cowboys, Eagles, Titans, Niners). Four are in the bottom 10 (Broncos, Colts, Pats, and Rams).

— Jason_OTC (@Jason_OTC) September 5, 2019

The importance of scouting OL talent and developing young talent. Although, this is just run blocking...our strength.

The amount of money we gave Weston is crazy.

Not when you look at his PFF rating before signing and compare what he got to other elite interior lineman. He's the 5th highest paid center and would be the 12th highest paid interior lineman.

bahhh we're not allowed to look at PFF with OL....we have been told

Originally posted by jonnydel:
What I'm getting at is that we've been complaining for 2 years about the OL for them to do something. They've spent a 1st round pick, traded for guys with draft picks and spent other draft picks on guys. Because those guys haven't panned out we then say, "they haven't done anything to even try and upgrade the OL". No, they did, they did a lot of things. Not many of them have panned out. Zuttaah was acquired 2 months after he played in the pro-bowl, Richburg was the highest graded center available, Cooper had come of a very good season. None of those guys panned out for various reasons. I don't blame Lynch or Shanahan for that. They tried, they went after proven talent. Fusco wasn't as bad as advertised, he went to the super bowl contending Falcons and won the starting spot there.

I see your dollar store and Macy's argument but mine is more like they went to the furniture outlet and got a recliner that the mechanism broke on it in the first 4 months. Sometimes that happens and sometimes you get one that lasts 25 years. Sometimes things happen.

My point is also that we can't say they need to draft and scout OL and build that way, when they've invested a lot of roster spots on the OL. Again, just because some of those guys don't pan out we can't say they aren't trying.

also... I feel like people think there's some magical field full of wild lineman just grazing & waiting for NFL teams to scoop them up

reality is, there simply aren't enough good lineman in the league. Some of the names you mentioned that SF went after, are some of the same types of players that the Pats would go after just as well. Hell NE wouldn't be paying for top end FA like SF did (and everyone in her wanted them to do).

Sure I'd like if they spent some mid-rd picks on guards to develop. I'm also pretty happy with some of the guys they got in the mid rds at other positions too.

Nice! Didn't think he'd make this quick a recovery. This should help.

Originally posted by thl408:

Nice! Didn't think he'd make this quick a recovery. This should help.

Vita Vea and Suh are a really tough first matchup, especially considering how few practice reps he's gotten, but I'd still rather have him than Garland there.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by thl408:

Nice! Didn't think he'd make this quick a recovery. This should help.

Vita Vea and Suh are a really tough first matchup, especially considering how few practice reps he's gotten, but I'd still rather have him than Garland there.

If he can have even a decent game right out of the gate against those two, I'd be elated!

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by thl408:
Nice! Didn't think he'd make this quick a recovery. This should help.

Vita Vea and Suh are a really tough first matchup, especially considering how few practice reps he's gotten, but I'd still rather have him than Garland there.

Agree. And I hope the young linemen develop along the way. I think, if Benton is going to be the long term answer to coach the OLine, he needs to start developing the youngsters on the team like Alex Gibbs did. If not, they have to take a hard look at his coaching and move on if they think they need to.

Tampa Bay is going to be a good test for the entire team. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the OLine run blocks and pass blocks in this game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by thl408:

Nice! Didn't think he'd make this quick a recovery. This should help.

Vita Vea and Suh are a really tough first matchup, especially considering how few practice reps he's gotten, but I'd still rather have him than Garland there.

If he can have even a decent game right out of the gate against those two, I'd be elated!

I expect a slow start for the OL this year. I also expect to hear that "we were told" if they allow a single hit or sack.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

What I'm getting at is that we've been complaining for 2 years about the OL for them to do something. They've spent a 1st round pick, traded for guys with draft picks and spent other draft picks on guys. Because those guys haven't panned out we then say, "they haven't done anything to even try and upgrade the OL". No, they did, they did a lot of things. Not many of them have panned out. Zuttaah was acquired 2 months after he played in the pro-bowl, Richburg was the highest graded center available, Cooper had come of a very good season. None of those guys panned out for various reasons. I don't blame Lynch or Shanahan for that. They tried, they went after proven talent. Fusco wasn't as bad as advertised, he went to the super bowl contending Falcons and won the starting spot there.

I see your dollar store and Macy's argument but mine is more like they went to the furniture outlet and got a recliner that the mechanism broke on it in the first 4 months. Sometimes that happens and sometimes you get one that lasts 25 years. Sometimes things happen.

My point is also that we can't say they need to draft and scout OL and build that way, when they've invested a lot of roster spots on the OL. Again, just because some of those guys don't pan out we can't say they aren't trying.

also... I feel like people think there's some magical field full of wild lineman just grazing & waiting for NFL teams to scoop them up

reality is, there simply aren't enough good lineman in the league. Some of the names you mentioned that SF went after, are some of the same types of players that the Pats would go after just as well. Hell NE wouldn't be paying for top end FA like SF did (and everyone in her wanted them to do).

Sure I'd like if they spent some mid-rd picks on guards to develop. I'm also pretty happy with some of the guys they got in the mid rds at other positions too.

I asked this before and got no answers, so will try again.

In the waning days of PreSeason, with just a few days before kickoff, why did we sign Pope...and more to the point, why did Bellichek sign 3 new OLs 4 days before season opener. I assume kyle and BB could have signed these guys sooner, unless they were cuts....which may have been the case. But other teams signed unknown OLs also just prior to opening day. Why? Just guessing, it must be from cuts that HCs were working thru. No?

The only thing that makes sense seems to be these OLs were being kept to the last minute and finally were cut because of a better RB or TE or whatever that team X had to keep...thus making some question mark OLs available at the 11th hour. Does that sound about right. I know one of BBs 3 pickups is already gone, Bodine i believe.

Jordan Mills / Marshall Newhouse / Anybody.......no news

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Matt LeFleur's offense was a lot closer to Shanny's than I thought it would be. So that should tell us something about how it takes a little while for these lines to grasp this offense. When it works, it's beautiful. But, getting through the learning stages is going to be rough, even for some of the best guys out there. That's why I feel like they value continuity over forcing change.

I mentioned the similarities of the offenses early on during the game in the gameday thread. I said something like 'let's kinda see what our offense would look like with a HOF QB'.

A little bit later last night, I talked to my friend who is a GB fan. What he said and what transpired in the game gave me pause. He said they (GB) had two really good T's but their G's were poor, that sounded very familiar. And Rodgers was under pressure a lot last night.

Kyle and perhaps LaFleur can't keep neglecting the G position. G's don't grow on trees, so we might have to use a mid to late 1st round pick on one.