49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by cciowa:

over simplification in my opinion. they are not us. our guards as doc said are totally unproven. no one proven. a total leap of faith

Smh.....some people need to learn to admit when they are flat our wrong.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
They let Kilgore, Beadles and Fusco leave so they must have some respect for the remaining players. I hope they prove you wrong and we have a young line who can play together for years to come...Staley being the only guy in his 30s.

I am glad they let em go. they were garbage and despite what some thought. jimmy did not lose his mind cuz they dumped kilgore. i just wish we had a couple more guys in here for competition. to me we are building their success. jimmy success and the team success on alot of wishing and hoping with sexy guards and hoping that said wishes come true. and before someone rolls out.... well we can not have all pros at every spot.. i do not think it is unreasonable to ask the team to bring in another two guys to compete

They were good enough, with a very good FQB, to win games against very competitive teams. How are they garbage? They couldn't pass block forever but when JG came in it was surprising how much better they looked. Now they have three guys who were 1st round picks but underachievers so far. Will they be better with quick release JG? Yes.

My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

Nothing says he can't hire a guru who knows the Shanahan scheme!

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

That right there is the problem. Richberg is on record saying there is very little actual teaching at the NFL level. He joins offseason camps where they practice on the finer details of OL play. So NFL teams have to hope their OL draft picks have the self motivation to improve themselves in the offseason, or draft guys that have polish to their game.

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by cciowa:
over simplification in my opinion. they are not us. our guards as doc said are totally unproven. no one proven. a total leap of faith

Smh.....some people need to learn to admit when they are flat our wrong.

so you are saying our guards are proven?? what am i wrong about?

Originally posted by GoldBrick:
Except Tomlinson started all last year and is in line for an extension if Lynch is to be believed. He started 32 straight games in Detroit in his first 2 seasons.

Cooper also started all last year for a decent Dallas squad.

If by "proven" you mean lived up to their high draft status, then clearly no. But if you mean they aren't proven starters in this league, you're incorrect.

they have shown me little in a niner uniform or in any other uniform to make me think we will be just fine. i need more than god lynch coming out and saying they are sexy

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

Nothing says he can't hire a guru who knows the Shanahan scheme!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

That right there is the problem. Richberg is on record saying there is very little actual teaching at the NFL level. He joins offseason camps where they practice on the finer details of OL play. So NFL teams have to hope their OL draft picks have the self motivation to improve themselves in the offseason, or draft guys that have polish to their game.

True but there is no substitute for working with your coaches and teammates so that everyone is on the same page. If all of the o-linemen go out and work individually how do they factor in teamwork? The nfl let one law suit change the approach to the game, and it is killing the league.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

Nothing says he can't hire a guru who knows the Shanahan scheme!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

That right there is the problem. Richberg is on record saying there is very little actual teaching at the NFL level. He joins offseason camps where they practice on the finer details of OL play. So NFL teams have to hope their OL draft picks have the self motivation to improve themselves in the offseason, or draft guys that have polish to their game.

True but there is no substitute for working with your coaches and teammates so that everyone is on the same page. If all of the o-linemen go out and work individually how do they factor in teamwork? The nfl let one law suit change the approach to the game, and it is killing the league.

Also true! The OL has been the area most affected by the decreased practice time. I'm hoping Staley steers these guys to a camp where he works with them. That would be the ultimate solution.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Bellaleo:

Originally posted by cciowa:
over simplification in my opinion. they are not us. our guards as doc said are totally unproven. no one proven. a total leap of faith

Smh.....some people need to learn to admit when they are flat our wrong.

so you are saying our guards are proven?? what am i wrong about?

So, what you're saying is that no player should be signed or drafted until they've already proven something and are already top flight or if they aren't off the charts their rookie year you plan to replace???? That's what it sounds like.
There's no way a team that was 2-14 a year and a half ago is going to have all proven and steady players at every position. You're simply going to have one of three categories: steady, bad or unproven players. I for one am happy that we have shifted our roster from most bad and a few steady and a few unproven to a number of steady and quite a few unproven with a handful of bad left. You really cannot expect anything more.

You disguise your unrealistic expectations of ShanaLynch to build a SB contender of double digit all-pros in one year with, "I just don't treat Lynch like he's a god who can do no wrong".

Add Mike Person to the competition. IIRC he started a bit at center for Shanahan in Atlanta.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

Nothing says he can't hire a guru who knows the Shanahan scheme!

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
My problem with our o-line is the new CBA bs, so now we have a rookie coming in and coaches can't coach him until training camp, and then even in training camp he won't have pads on most of the time. So how do you develop a rookie tackle in today's NFL?

That right there is the problem. Richberg is on record saying there is very little actual teaching at the NFL level. He joins offseason camps where they practice on the finer details of OL play. So NFL teams have to hope their OL draft picks have the self motivation to improve themselves in the offseason, or draft guys that have polish to their game.

True but there is no substitute for working with your coaches and teammates so that everyone is on the same page. If all of the o-linemen go out and work individually how do they factor in teamwork? The nfl let one law suit change the approach to the game, and it is killing the league.

Also true! The OL has been the area most affected by the decreased practice time. I'm hoping Staley steers these guys to a camp where he works with them. That would be the ultimate solution.

Better than nothing, but I think the solution is more practice time with the coaches that are developing the scheme (Staley can't contact coaches either so he has had the same limited work schedule). These guys need to be meeting with coaches in the off season and they also need to be in pads banging during training camp.

Anyone that thinks that the guard position isn't important, go back and watch Chilo Rachal single-handedly break down our OL from the RG spot. Watch that season under Singletary.

We have unproven guys with hope that they show out. The frustration comes when you see them going up against Suh/Donald who are already proven.

Drafted by SF, has played T, G, and C. Good competition. He can try to win Beadles spot as utility guy

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Better than nothing, but I think the solution is more practice time with the coaches that are developing the scheme (Staley can't contact coaches either so he has had the same limited work schedule). These guys need to be meeting with coaches in the off season and they also need to be in pads banging during training camp.

Well...that's against the rules so...

On a good note, all teams play under the same rules!