Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
NY you're not being genuine with this stuff. Two good WRs? He has arguably the best WR in the game. As great as Aiyuk was he wasn't what Jamarr Chase was last season. Tee Higgins would be WR1 on many teams.
You're right no Kittle but Gieseki is a solid receiving TE with huge size. Claiming my comparison is something crazy because they didn't run the ball has what to do with analyzing the QBs playing during the passing part of the offense?
You can even make a case the lack of running attempts by Cinci hurt their OL since they have to pass pro much more and they don't have the playaction to really keep pass rushers at bay. Yet considering the pass pro grade for the 49ers with CMC running the ball so well in 2023 is actually lower than Cinci's last year...how bad would our OL look if we threw the ball as much as Cinci did? We're talking an extra 200 pass attempts.
Also wtf are you talking about that I can't admit that Joe is a better QB? I've said many a time the top 4 are Mahomes, Allen, Lamar and Burrow. But when you insinuate that Purdy couldn't produce a good season when his OL was mid when he did that just 2 seasons ago then I'm going to call you on it.
Show me one post where I claimed Purdy was better than Burrow. Just one.
Who cares how great his WR is if the OL sucks so bad, right? Worst PBWR in football last yr. There is no way you can objectively compare Cinci's roster being on the same level as SF in 2023…only one being disingenuous here is you my friend.
Tossing out "ya but Mike Gieseki" takes makes your debate even worse imo.
I could counter your lack of rushing attempts hurting their pass blocking and say that made it EVEN harder for Joe to do what he did last yr. FWIW Brock had like 23 more PA plays than Joe did…I wouldn't call that some massive difference either.
it's clear as day what you're trying to do. You've exaggerated everything that is "wrong" for our QB and then propped up whatever is "right" for Joe Burrow.
there isn't a single objective fan that would compare what Joe dealt with this yr to what poor Brock Purdy had to endure with that just horrible 2023 roster 
I never said you posting that Brock was better…I said you making up excuse after excuse INSTEAD of just saying Joe played better or is simply a better QB. That's the simple conclusion to this debate. I don't even know why you're continuing to do what you're doing.
Man you love to argue just to argue sometimes. You're completely losing track of the conversations here. All this talking and you're just proving my point.
I'm not comparing overall rosters, which is why I said nothing about the Bengals failing to make the playoffs, go to the SB..etc. Had I done that then your paragraphs would be put to good use.
My argument was specific to what french said and the frustration that unless things are going perfectly we keep getting exposed on the OL in big moments. You literally cannot refute that. You can play the "Burford" was a backup card til you're blue in the face but the reality was in a critical moment in the game - all other stuff out the door. All he has to do is his job. He doesn't have to pancake Chris Jones. He doesn't have to stand him up. He literally had to get in his way and we score a TD. We do that and at worst if KC still marches down the field we get a 2 pt conversion attempt to defend. Odds of winning the SB certainly jump big time.
THAT was the post french made. You can't make the claim that taking the ball first in OT was the thing that lost us the game and ignore the Burford mistake that happened IN OT!!!
And the whole Burrow conversation only started when you tried to infer that great QBs like Burrow and Stafford can get it done with mediocre OL play almost like we didn't just see that from Purdy in year 2 of his career. Now that I called you on that you want to play the rosters aren't the same card instead of facing the clear truth that you can make up for poor OL play when you have the skill players to get open quickly. Purdy threw how many passes to JJ or Kittle that looked like bad decisions that they came down with cuz of their size? You can laugh at Gesicki all you want but dude is a 6'6 big body who is a solid receiving TE. Chase is the smallest WR in that group at 6'0. Higgins is 6'4. Iosivas is 6'3. Big bodies everywhere. You have guys like that on the outside and you can get the ball out quick and they'll get it for the most part.
You're the king of moving goal posts in arguments and want to attack other people's objectivity. I've responded to each post for a reason and you keep taking it where it wasn't going and adding absurd takes like I'm trying to claim Purdy is better than Burrow. Come on man...
Look back to what I even responded to
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He wasn't constantly pressured. You act like he's gotta have a clean pocket every drop back in order to make a play. He's gonna get hit, he's gonna have to extend plays and get pushed out of the pocket, he's gonna have to set up in the pocket when pressure is coming from the outside etc etc. welcome to the NFL and playing QB.
I blame our best players for not showing up, especially when it matters. Burford messed up, he's also a backup at that point (for a reason).
Andy had horrible OTs in their last SB win. There wasn't injuries, they just stunk. Where was Bosa? Where was the rush to stop Mahomes when it mattered? KC legit had something like 4 or 5 position changes on their OL a week before the SB vs the Bucs.
AGAIN SF won all its damn games because of its play makers, not because they have an amazing OL. Therefore when those STAR players do NOT perform, they lose. Not solely because of the mediocre OL that they had all yr and won a s**t ton games with regardless.
Joe burrow had the 32nd ranked pass-blocking OL this past yr and threw for 4,900 43/9 TD/INT…toss in one of the worst defenses in football. Brock was actually pressured MORE in 2023 than last yr. Why can Joe be amazing with a subpar OL? Why can Stafford be amazing with a subpar OL?
When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.
No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.
Nowhere in there is comparing Purdy to either QB. Nowhere in there does it say Purdy > Stafford/Burrow
So what exactly are you arguing? Do you think Burrow is putting up those numbers without Chase? Pretty sure we have a record of his play without Chase out there.
