49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He wasn't constantly pressured. You act like he's gotta have a clean pocket every drop back in order to make a play. He's gonna get hit, he's gonna have to extend plays and get pushed out of the pocket, he's gonna have to set up in the pocket when pressure is coming from the outside etc etc. welcome to the NFL and playing QB.

I blame our best players for not showing up, especially when it matters. Burford messed up, he's also a backup at that point (for a reason).

Andy had horrible OTs in their last SB win. There wasn't injuries, they just stunk. Where was Bosa? Where was the rush to stop Mahomes when it mattered? KC legit had something like 4 or 5 position changes on their OL a week before the SB vs the Bucs.

AGAIN SF won all its damn games because of its play makers, not because they have an amazing OL. Therefore when those STAR players do NOT perform, they lose. Not solely because of the mediocre OL that they had all yr and won a s**t ton games with regardless.

Joe burrow had the 32nd ranked pass-blocking OL this past yr and threw for 4,900 43/9 TD/INT…toss in one of the worst defenses in football. Brock was actually pressured MORE in 2023 than last yr. Why can Joe be amazing with a subpar OL? Why can Stafford be amazing with a subpar OL?

When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.

No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
None of actual stars showed up that day besides CMC who fumbled in the RZ.

blaming a OL that wasn't the reason we got to the SB is dumb imo. No they didn't play amazing, they never do. Team was built and won off the backs of its playmakers on both sides of the ball and when it mattered most they s**t their pants.

NY once again that whole conversation started when french mentioned the coin toss in OT lost us the game and in the same post claimed the OL wasn't a major issue.

That is an absurd take considering us not scoring a TD on the opening drive was a pivotal change in the game and the reason we didn't is specifically because of the play by an OLman. Excusing him cuz he was a backup(with more starting experience than Purdy at QB btw) is silly.

The guy admitted to not doing what he was coached to do and going with his gut on the play. Are we really going to excuse someone doing that and thinking the smart thing to do on a pass play with playaction on it...don't block Chris Jones? I feel for Burford cuz he has to wear that on his shoulders the rest of his life but I also can't excuse it.

Our players not bringing their best in key moments is another thing though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
None of actual stars showed up that day besides CMC who fumbled in the RZ.

blaming a OL that wasn't the reason we got to the SB is dumb imo. No they didn't play amazing, they never do. Team was built and won off the backs of its playmakers on both sides of the ball and when it mattered most they s**t their pants.

NY once again that whole conversation started when french mentioned the coin toss in OT lost us the game and in the same post claimed the OL wasn't a major issue.

That is an absurd take considering us not scoring a TD on the opening drive was a pivotal change in the game and the reason we didn't is specifically because of the play by an OLman. Excusing him cuz he was a backup(with more starting experience than Purdy at QB btw) is silly.

The guy admitted to not doing what he was coached to do and going with his gut on the play. Are we really going to excuse someone doing that and thinking the smart thing to do on a pass play with playaction on it...don't block Chris Jones? I feel for Burford cuz he has to wear that on his shoulders the rest of his life but I also can't excuse it.

Our players not bringing their best in key moments is another thing though.

Both were major factors in the L.

Its pretty difficult to assign blame in a game of football which is usually a collective effort. I will say that in many of our playoff losses, the places that were thin or "ignored" (or "sacrificed") are the places that ultimately broke....

if they had a better safety than Tartt...maybe he doesnt drop the ball
if they had a better corner than Ambry...maybe they dont lose to Rams
if they had a better olineman than Burford...maybe they score a TD in the OT (although Im fairly sure Chiefs would score a TD anyway)...and also Burford is the one who makes the TD to CMC possible, with the push that isnt called
if they had a better TE2 in eagles game or even in 2023 SB when Kittle was forced to go out...

if they get better oline and qb play on the final two drives in 2019...coulda woulda

when games are close and margin of error is small, all these things come up. I think its impossible to predict something but I will say...while the opus is always on one play...its never really just one play. It's just the one play is magnified because its a close game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol, you're desperate to narrative push today. they each had their SB vs KC and it's same stuff, different day. close L and around 19-20 pts. maybe go to the jimmy thread if you wanna talk about him this is the OL thread. i at least mentioned OL this post and last post i did. you are just talking ol jimmy

You were the one talking Purdy and Aiyuk in the OL thread. Only one desperate is the guy who can't accept Purdy is far superior to backup Jimmy so he has to bash Purdy in every thread.

Originally posted by genus49:
Please stop being dramatic. It was on a first down in the first quarter and the play was clearly covered with the safety playing over the top.

He's not being dramatic. Hes trying to push HIS narrative. Both KC games were the same. No difference in the talent of opponents the qbs faced.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td

If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.

I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow

Disagree, it was an overthrow and that's okay s**t happens

its clear as day too lol, this is why I don't even bother with Purdy discussions anymore...

Also back to the point of my post, the oline gave Purdy and the offense time here but they didn't squat with it.

Silverback looking a little thinner/smaller here or is it just me?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td

If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.

I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow

Disagree, it was an overthrow and that's okay s**t happens

its clear as day too lol, this is why I don't even bother with Purdy discussions anymore...

Also back to the point of my post, the oline gave Purdy and the offense time here but they didn't squat with it.

My man does coverage not matter anymore? The play wasn't there.

Honestly how ridiculous do we want to get here trying to point to single plays where the OL holds up but Brock can't complete the pass? Like the OL wasn't struggling in pass pro all year that season while Purdy was in MVP considerations and had of the best seasons from per attempt standard?

There are plenty of plays to point to where Brock didn't deliver. Equating that particular play to Jimmy's miss to Sanders is comical…hope that was your intent.

Originally posted by genus49:
When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.

No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.

When Stafford won the SB? He threw for 4,900 yards 41/17. That was not some super star OL.

Oh so we can't use "the Avengers" when talking about Brock and his great play in 2023 BUT Joe Burrow and his 32nd ranked PBLK OL doesn't matter because he has two WRs? If you can't see the hypocrisy in that nonsense, then I have a hard time taking what you say as being objective and serious.

You can dramatize the whole OL as being dogs**t all you want, it will not change the reality that all the actual star players didn't show up in that SB. Our QB didn't show up when it mattered. KC's QB did and he had worse play makers and horrible OTs WHICH objectively matter more than any IOL.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td

If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.

I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow

Disagree, it was an overthrow and that's okay s**t happens

its clear as day too lol, this is why I don't even bother with Purdy discussions anymore...

Also back to the point of my post, the oline gave Purdy and the offense time here but they didn't squat with it.

My man does coverage not matter anymore? The play wasn't there.

Honestly how ridiculous do we want to get here trying to point to single plays where the OL holds up but Brock can't complete the pass? Like the OL wasn't struggling in pass pro all year that season while Purdy was in MVP considerations and had of the best seasons from per attempt standard?

There are plenty of plays to point to where Brock didn't deliver. Equating that particular play to Jimmy's miss to Sanders is comical…hope that was your intent.

It was a bad throw. Should have been a TD….we all like Brock and what him to succeed,BUT if everything has to be perfect for him to make a play, then what the hell are we doing here? You talk about it being ridiculous to point out on play…yet revert back to our backup RG blowing an assignment constantly in here.

all I hear is excuse after excuse when something didn't go correctly from a couple posters. The OL didn't pass-block well enough, the WRs didn't separate well enough, the coverage was too good, it wasn't 75 and sunny etc etc.

He's suppose to make things happen. He's the most important player on the field. He's now being paid a stupid amount of money to MAKE s**t happen. You can't be talked about as some elite player when it requires you have everything perfect around you all the time to make a play.

now, I know that's not what you're trying to say, but man the constant pointing things at everything else but his play all the time makes it sound like that…thankfully our QB takes accountability (more than some fans) over his play and where he can improve… that's a good thing. Yes we need players from the top to bottom to do their jobs for success, but there's a hierarchy of who's gotta show up when it's needed. A LOT of those guys high up on that list didn't show up in the SB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.

No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.

When Stafford won the SB? He threw for 4,900 yards 41/17. That was not some super star OL.

Oh so we can't use "the Avengers" when talking about Brock and his great play in 2023 BUT Joe Burrow and his 32nd ranked PBLK OL doesn't matter because he has two WRs? If you can't see the hypocrisy in that nonsense, then I have a hard time taking what you say as being objective and serious.

You can dramatize the whole OL as being dogs**t all you want, it will not change the reality that all the actual star players didn't show up in that SB. Our QB didn't show up when it mattered. KC's QB did and he had worse play makers and horrible OTs WHICH objectively matter more than any IOL.

lol what? I'm simply reinforcing the point that Brock was able to do similar type of production in a situation where his OL wasn't great but his skill players were impressive.

I've never argued that Brock with good skill players can't overcome inferior OL play. My whole argument is that if we want to win the SB we need better from the OL because as we saw it leaves little wiggle room if things don't go your way or you skill players have a tough day/get injured.

Originally posted by genus49:
lol what? I'm simply reinforcing the point that Brock was able to do similar type of production in a situation where his OL wasn't great but his skill players were impressive.

I've never argued that Brock with good skill players can't overcome inferior OL play. My whole argument is that if we want to win the SB we need better from the OL because as we saw it leaves little wiggle room if things don't go your way or you skill players have a tough day/get injured.

Burrow had the worst OL in football and one of the worst defenses in the league last yr. He had two very good WRs and nothing else. They couldn't even run the ball.

Acting like Joe's situation this yr was similar to Brock's in 2023 is absurd.

SF can always improve the OL, no one is defending them. What is being argued is this team hasn't road on the backs of the OL to win their division, go to NFCCs and SBs. They've road the backs of their skilled players and STAR guys. When none of those dudes show up at the most important points in their career thus far…I'm not gonna stand up on a soap box and point fingers at the OL (mainly IOL) as the real reason they lost WHEN they've never been the reason SF wins and has had all this success to begin with.

again I'll use my basketball analogy. If Kobe Bryant plays like s**t in game 7 of the championship, I'm not gonna blame the loss on Luke Walton for missing a game winning 3.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td

If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.

I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow

Disagree, it was an overthrow and that's okay s**t happens

its clear as day too lol, this is why I don't even bother with Purdy discussions anymore...

Also back to the point of my post, the oline gave Purdy and the offense time here but they didn't squat with it.

My man does coverage not matter anymore? The play wasn't there.

Honestly how ridiculous do we want to get here trying to point to single plays where the OL holds up but Brock can't complete the pass? Like the OL wasn't struggling in pass pro all year that season while Purdy was in MVP considerations and had of the best seasons from per attempt standard?

There are plenty of plays to point to where Brock didn't deliver. Equating that particular play to Jimmy's miss to Sanders is comical…hope that was your intent.

It was a bad throw. Should have been a TD….we all like Brock and what him to succeed,BUT if everything has to be perfect for him to make a play, then what the hell are we doing here? You talk about it being ridiculous to point out on play…yet revert back to our backup RG blowing an assignment constantly in here.

all I hear is excuse after excuse when something didn't go correctly from a couple posters. The OL didn't pass-block well enough, the WRs didn't separate well enough, the coverage was too good, it wasn't 75 and sunny etc etc.

He's suppose to make things happen. He's the most important player on the field. He's now being paid a stupid amount of money to MAKE s**t happen. You can't be talked about as some elite player when it requires you have everything perfect around you all the time to make a play.

now, I know that's not what you're trying to say, but man the constant pointing things at everything else but his play all the time makes it sound like that…thankfully our QB takes accountability (more than some fans) over his play and where he can improve… that's a good thing. Yes we need players from the top to bottom to do their jobs for success, but there's a hierarchy of who's gotta show up when it's needed. A LOT of those guys high up on that list didn't show up in the SB.

I'm sorry man but that's not a serious take given the look on that play. It was covered. Not much different than what happened to the Falcons in the SB vs the Pats. Difference is Purdy threw it up there and either Aiyuk gets to it or they move on to 2nd and 10.

You keep bringing up his contract now...this was 2 years ago when the guy was making peanuts. I have no problem blaming him for the 2 minute misread. He hits Aiyuk and we win that game. That's 100% on Brock.

But putting up a play where it's covered and he puts the ball somewhere that can't hurt us isn't a legit criticism. That's what we should want him to do in that scenario. You have Matt Ryan taking a critical sack instead of just throwing the ball away where either his guy gets it or nobody can and move to play another shorter down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
lol what? I'm simply reinforcing the point that Brock was able to do similar type of production in a situation where his OL wasn't great but his skill players were impressive.

I've never argued that Brock with good skill players can't overcome inferior OL play. My whole argument is that if we want to win the SB we need better from the OL because as we saw it leaves little wiggle room if things don't go your way or you skill players have a tough day/get injured.

Burrow had the worst OL in football and one of the worst defenses in the league last yr. He had two very good WRs and nothing else. They couldn't even run the ball.

Acting like Joe's situation this yr was similar to Brock's in 2023 is absurd.

SF can always improve the OL, no one is defending them. What is being argued is this team hasn't road on the backs of the OL to win their division, go to NFCCs and SBs. They've road the backs of their skilled players and STAR guys. When none of those dudes show up at the most important points in their career thus far…I'm not gonna stand up on a soap box and point fingers at the OL (mainly IOL) as the real reason they lost WHEN they've never been the reason SF wins and has had all this success to begin with.

again I'll use my basketball analogy. If Kobe Bryant plays like s**t in game 7 of the championship, I'm not gonna blame the loss on Luke Walton for missing a game winning 3.

By what metric was their OL the worst? If using PFF their pass blocking was graded 56.3

49ers in 2023 were graded as 55.0.

So the one thing I'm comparing is most certainly were similar. Don't make arguments that aren't there. I never claimed the situations overall were the same. The poor OL with great skill players was the comparison. I didn't fault for Joe missing the playoffs or not getting to the SB.

Simply addressing YOUR point that those QBs played well with poor OL. Well so did Brock when he had his top guys in there. As far as the run game the Bengals were 30th in the NFL in rushing attempts. They weren't exactly trying to run the ball and didn't really need to when you have Chase and Higgins along with their depth pieces doing work.

And Trent Williams was the main stud on that line, he had a piss poor game overall. Yet you didn't feel the need to call him out in your original posts. Does he not count in holding the top players accountable?

Also using basketball analogies for football conversations...come on bro.