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Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td
If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.
I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td
If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.
I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes they did, but their o-line also provided excellent pass pro as the chiefs sold out to stop Barkley. The difference is against us they could sell out to stop the run and still generate pressure on obvious passing downs.
What good are Kittle and Deebo when Purdy is constantly pressured? Do you blame Deebo for Burford not blocking the most clutch d-lineman this generation on the most clutch play?
Kyles scheme works in the regular season, but once we hit those championship games and face the top talent they have to play flawless in order to compensate for the o-line. The chiefs got demolished by the Bucs because of o line injuries. What did Andy do? He rebuilt the entire line and won another two. This year they had injuries again. I get it, it happens, but the 49ers do not value o-line at all.
While I expect the defense to become very very good as the season progresses if they stay healthy I would not be surprised if Purdy is just OK to whatever this year because his pass protection will most likely suck which makes no sense since we all agree he needs a better line to shine. Instead they rely on CMC to sneak through miniscule holes so good luck having him all season. Our LT is 37? LG is unknown. Center is garbage and old, RG is a gem, and RT is pedestrian at best and will give up at least 2 3rd downs a game. What are the odds they aside Puni improve and stay healthy?
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes they did, but their o-line also provided excellent pass pro as the chiefs sold out to stop Barkley. The difference is against us they could sell out to stop the run and still generate pressure on obvious passing downs.
What good are Kittle and Deebo when Purdy is constantly pressured? Do you blame Deebo for Burford not blocking the most clutch d-lineman this generation on the most clutch play?
Kyles scheme works in the regular season, but once we hit those championship games and face the top talent they have to play flawless in order to compensate for the o-line. The chiefs got demolished by the Bucs because of o line injuries. What did Andy do? He rebuilt the entire line and won another two. This year they had injuries again. I get it, it happens, but the 49ers do not value o-line at all.
While I expect the defense to become very very good as the season progresses if they stay healthy I would not be surprised if Purdy is just OK to whatever this year because his pass protection will most likely suck which makes no sense since we all agree he needs a better line to shine. Instead they rely on CMC to sneak through miniscule holes so good luck having him all season. Our LT is 37? LG is unknown. Center is garbage and old, RG is a gem, and RT is pedestrian at best and will give up at least 2 3rd downs a game. What are the odds they aside Puni improve and stay healthy?
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's not for 'reasons unknown'. look at his helmet. the ball he wants it in stride, and it's wrong shoulder and way out in front. so he has get his head turned to even try and find the football. pass isn't anywhere near where BA wants it to be. at best you can try and put that on BA maybe he's not running to the right spot. i do think it's incumbent on a QB when you got your best WR streaking downfield for a possible TD, give him a chance on the football at least. this is the kind of play we hit and we just may win the super bowl. it's a good share to evidence that it's not all on OL.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's not for 'reasons unknown'. look at his helmet. the ball he wants it in stride, and it's wrong shoulder and way out in front. so he has get his head turned to even try and find the football. pass isn't anywhere near where BA wants it to be. at best you can try and put that on BA maybe he's not running to the right spot. i do think it's incumbent on a QB when you got your best WR streaking downfield for a possible TD, give him a chance on the football at least. this is the kind of play we hit and we just may win the super bowl. it's a good share to evidence that it's not all on OL.
Emmanuel Sanders has seen worse deep balls.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's the same stuff in the end. we lost a SB to KC we left points and plays out there. it's the coulda woulda shoulda game. 2x now.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's the same stuff in the end. we lost a SB to KC we left points and plays out there. it's the coulda woulda shoulda game. 2x now.
Difference was one defense was elite and the other was average. Shouldn't leave points out there against average.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
meh, same stuff man. i'm taking the 2023 49ers skill guys and OL over the 2019 team. CMC in his absolute career year is > Surfs Up. so while their d may be better, so is our O.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
meh, same stuff man. i'm taking the 2023 49ers skill guys and OL over the 2019 team. CMC in his absolute career year is > Surfs Up. so while their d may be better, so is our O.
Saints and Chargers games in 2022 showed what a SB under Jimmy would've looked like vs KC. If not a straight shut out.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol, you're desperate to narrative push today. they each had their SB vs KC and it's same stuff, different day. close L and around 19-20 pts. maybe go to the jimmy thread if you wanna talk about him this is the OL thread. i at least mentioned OL this post and last post i did. you are just talking ol jimmy
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yes they did, but their o-line also provided excellent pass pro as the chiefs sold out to stop Barkley. The difference is against us they could sell out to stop the run and still generate pressure on obvious passing downs.
What good are Kittle and Deebo when Purdy is constantly pressured? Do you blame Deebo for Burford not blocking the most clutch d-lineman this generation on the most clutch play?
Kyles scheme works in the regular season, but once we hit those championship games and face the top talent they have to play flawless in order to compensate for the o-line. The chiefs got demolished by the Bucs because of o line injuries. What did Andy do? He rebuilt the entire line and won another two. This year they had injuries again. I get it, it happens, but the 49ers do not value o-line at all.
While I expect the defense to become very very good as the season progresses if they stay healthy I would not be surprised if Purdy is just OK to whatever this year because his pass protection will most likely suck which makes no sense since we all agree he needs a better line to shine. Instead they rely on CMC to sneak through miniscule holes so good luck having him all season. Our LT is 37? LG is unknown. Center is garbage and old, RG is a gem, and RT is pedestrian at best and will give up at least 2 3rd downs a game. What are the odds they aside Puni improve and stay healthy?
He wasn't constantly pressured. You act like he's gotta have a clean pocket every drop back in order to make a play. He's gonna get hit, he's gonna have to extend plays and get pushed out of the pocket, he's gonna have to set up in the pocket when pressure is coming from the outside etc etc. welcome to the NFL and playing QB.
I blame our best players for not showing up, especially when it matters. Burford messed up, he's also a backup at that point (for a reason).
Andy had horrible OTs in their last SB win. There wasn't injuries, they just stunk. Where was Bosa? Where was the rush to stop Mahomes when it mattered? KC legit had something like 4 or 5 position changes on their OL a week before the SB vs the Bucs.
AGAIN SF won all its damn games because of its play makers, not because they have an amazing OL. Therefore when those STAR players do NOT perform, they lose. Not solely because of the mediocre OL that they had all yr and won a s**t ton games with regardless.
Joe burrow had the 32nd ranked pass-blocking OL this past yr and threw for 4,900 43/9 TD/INT…toss in one of the worst defenses in football. Brock was actually pressured MORE in 2023 than last yr. Why can Joe be amazing with a subpar OL? Why can Stafford be amazing with a subpar OL?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Chiefs O line has been pretty average since that SB where Bucs waxed them. Their interior was good but their tackles have been poor for years. Pat makes up for a lot.
McKivitz is an average tackle. Look at the Chiefs if you want pedestrian. Bartch is a question sure but I don't see how a rook wouldn't also be. Center is the big hole. Should be trying to get McCoy off the Saints after June 1st.
Chiefs O line lost the Chiefs the game. Eagles O line was fine but nothing special. 9ers o line had never been as bad as the two Chief failures.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Trent is one of our best and he had a bad game. Cost us points in the 1st quarter. Buford was a backup after sucking which means his backup wasnt much better. (although imo he was lol)
I never said solely because of the o-line. Primarily is the correct word. A bad oline cascades and effects the rest of the team.
Joe Burrow is better than Brock as of today. I think there are top 4 qb's in this league. Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar. Purdy is in that next tier. from 5-13. (again thats imho). Interesting comp since Joe hasn't won it all either.
You act like I am asking for 5 first round picks on the o-line. I know we only do that for the defense. But the fact they are rolling the same, if not WORSE line out there this year has to be a bit incredulous to you no?
Chiefs tried to make sure the middle of the o line was good as they know Mahomes can escape a weak tackle, and the refs don't mind helping them either.
I agree with you. My main complaint is Brendel sucks. I don't care if Jesus is the QB, a terrible center brings down everyone else's game. I wanted an upgrade at center and believe we can compensate for McKivitz limitations. I do not think we can overcome that, a terrible center, and a questionable LG.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by genus49:
You're kidding right? The play is covered when Purdy throws it. Aiyuk gets lost tracking the ball and doesn't get to it. You could make a case it's a miss even if Aiyuk keeps running full speed but there is also a case to be made if they're on the same page and Aiyuk just keeps running he's there to make the catch, check how much time passes from the time Brock releases the ball to when Aiyuk regains full speed.
This is nowhere near Jimmy G impersonation. That's good coverage by KC and miscommunication on the route. Purdy threw a great pass to Deebo a few plays later after avoiding Chris Jones that should've been a TD if Deebo could keep McDuffie off his hip.
And your own post claims he's got a step when the ball is in the AIR. Which means Purdy already made the throw. Go and look at it before he throws and that's what you need to react to. We got a FG and the lead on that drive, after Deebo couldn't shake McDuffie for a would be TD. People would be absolutely fuming if Purdy threw the ball closer and it got picked costing us points. That was a smart play on a first down inside the opponents 35 yard line.
Looks like an overthrow and didn't really give BA a chance. We know Brock can make that type of throw…this one wasn't his best.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Aiyuk literally goes half speed for reasons unknown in the middle of the route. If aiyuk is confident in his route and goes all out, that's an easy td
If purdy throws it "on target" to where aiyuk ends his route it's a contested ball.
I trust that purdy knew where the route should be and put the ball where he thought aiyuk would be. Definitely wouldn't call it an overthrow
it's not for 'reasons unknown'. look at his helmet. the ball he wants it in stride, and it's wrong shoulder and way out in front. so he has get his head turned to even try and find the football. pass isn't anywhere near where BA wants it to be. at best you can try and put that on BA maybe he's not running to the right spot. i do think it's incumbent on a QB when you got your best WR streaking downfield for a possible TD, give him a chance on the football at least. this is the kind of play we hit and we just may win the super bowl. it's a good share to evidence that it's not all on OL.