49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Come on man...

This is when the ball is already out


You want him to put that ball on Aiyuk with the safety over the top like that? Claiming that's an easy ass throw and TD is laughable considering the play was covered before Brock threw the ball, it was covered right after the ball actually leaves his hands and Aiyuk only looks wide open at the end because him looking for the ball fools the safety to stop.

No matter how you slice it is crazy to knock a 2nd year QB for not throwing a TD on this play.

I've blamed everyone who deserves blame in that game. That includes Brock. That includes Kyle. That includes unfortunately way too many people. But it sure as hell also includes the OL so downplaying their impact on that game isn't it either.

When you know that unit is a problem going into the season, during the season and it ends up biting you in the ass in the SB and making arguably one of the worst mistakes on the final offensive play in OT...they deserve the heat.

It's a poorly thrown football. He's thrown how many footballs in his life? Why do we have to make excuses like he's only played in the NFL for two yrs, so he's allowed to throw bad balls or miss on crucial 3rd down reads? He gets the glory and MVP honors when he plays well. He should get some of the blame when things don't go great.

You damn well know he wishes he could have some of those plays back and will hold himself accountable. He's the most important player on the team.

Also guess what….Brock makes that throw then they very well could have won the SB and that poor OL wouldn't be a scapegoat for everything thats bad same for a bunch of start players who turtled up in the biggest moments, instead of making a play…but yeah let's crucify a RG who got tossed into a game.

YES. Crucify a guy for not doing his friggin job. What are you doing NY?

You won't crucify a guy who on 3rd down decided it's better not to block the other teams best pass rusher but it's fine to crucify Brock over that throw on first down? Let's forget the throw he makes 2 downs later which if Deebo could get any separation is a sure TD.



I honestly don't get how you can excuse a play like that. Like I said I don't disagree with your overall point but given how this conversation kicked off to brush off the Burford mistake like no big deal is crazy to me.

it was all about SHANNY... knowing 95 was on a young Burford, the BEST YOUNG MIND IN FOOTBALL coulda called a play where a BACK coulda asked to stay and helped...

Or...you know the guy does his job and actually try to block his assignment vs thinking he's smarter than the coaches?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think some fans spend too much time criticizing or analyzing indiviudals plays and using them to pass judgement on a players ability. Every player is going to make good plays and miss on others. It's just part of the game. Better to look at overall performance than one play here and there.

NY is that kind of fan :)

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think some fans spend too much time criticizing or analyzing indiviudals plays and using them to pass judgement on a players ability. Every player is going to make good plays and miss on others. It's just part of the game. Better to look at overall performance than one play here and there.

NY is that kind of fan :)

You mean genius. I haven't been going off about a missed RG block for days. I not the one pointing fingers at one position group for every failure…when we know they're not the reason we've had the success we've had…I said our star players who got us to the SB didn't show up when they needed to…that's the reason we lost.

Originally posted by genus49:
Or...you know the guy does his job and actually try to block his assignment vs thinking he's smarter than the coaches?

Or the QB makes a play in some of the biggest moments in the game. Or The star DE and LBer make a play on 3rd and 4th down to end it. Or our star WRs and TE actually don't turn into ghosts. Or our OPOY doesn't fumble in the RZ.

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you love to argue just to argue sometimes. You're completely losing track of the conversations here. All this talking and you're just proving my point.

I'm not comparing overall rosters, which is why I said nothing about the Bengals failing to make the playoffs, go to the SB..etc. Had I done that then your paragraphs would be put to good use.

My argument was specific to what french said and the frustration that unless things are going perfectly we keep getting exposed on the OL in big moments. You literally cannot refute that. You can play the "Burford" was a backup card til you're blue in the face but the reality was in a critical moment in the game - all other stuff out the door. All he has to do is his job. He doesn't have to pancake Chris Jones. He doesn't have to stand him up. He literally had to get in his way and we score a TD. We do that and at worst if KC still marches down the field we get a 2 pt conversion attempt to defend. Odds of winning the SB certainly jump big time.

THAT was the post french made. You can't make the claim that taking the ball first in OT was the thing that lost us the game and ignore the Burford mistake that happened IN OT!!!

And the whole Burrow conversation only started when you tried to infer that great QBs like Burrow and Stafford can get it done with mediocre OL play almost like we didn't just see that from Purdy in year 2 of his career. Now that I called you on that you want to play the rosters aren't the same card instead of facing the clear truth that you can make up for poor OL play when you have the skill players to get open quickly. Purdy threw how many passes to JJ or Kittle that looked like bad decisions that they came down with cuz of their size? You can laugh at Gesicki all you want but dude is a 6'6 big body who is a solid receiving TE. Chase is the smallest WR in that group at 6'0. Higgins is 6'4. Iosivas is 6'3. Big bodies everywhere. You have guys like that on the outside and you can get the ball out quick and they'll get it for the most part.

You're the king of moving goal posts in arguments and want to attack other people's objectivity. I've responded to each post for a reason and you keep taking it where it wasn't going and adding absurd takes like I'm trying to claim Purdy is better than Burrow. Come on man...

Look back to what I even responded to

Nowhere in there is comparing Purdy to either QB. Nowhere in there does it say Purdy > Stafford/Burrow

So what exactly are you arguing? Do you think Burrow is putting up those numbers without Chase? Pretty sure we have a record of his play without Chase out there.

I said Joe and Stafford both played great with what is objectively bad OLs. Instead of saying well maybe that's because they're just better QBs right now. You went into a whole shtick where you exaggerated everything that is "wrong" for our QB and then propped up whatever is "right" for one QB, Joe Burrow.

Now you're going on about tall WRs pretending that's the difference lol…I'm sure if Brock got tossed onto the Bengals teams this yr he'd have 4,900 41/9. Come on man cut it out.

There isn't a single objective fan, who is saying burrow was surround by better talent than Brock was in 2023…yet here you are trying to sell that to me instead of just admitting that some QBs are just flat out better than other ones.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think some fans spend too much time criticizing or analyzing indiviudals plays and using them to pass judgement on a players ability. Every player is going to make good plays and miss on others. It's just part of the game. Better to look at overall performance than one play here and there.

NY is that kind of fan :)

You mean genius. I haven't been going off about a missed RG block for days. I not the one pointing fingers at one position group for every failure…when we know they're not the reason we've had the success we've had…I said our star players who got us to the SB didn't show up when they needed to…that's the reason we lost.

Going to assume you're talking about me even though that's not my name.

Feel free to show me pointing to the OL for every failure. Otherwise once again you're mistaken.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Or...you know the guy does his job and actually try to block his assignment vs thinking he's smarter than the coaches?

Or the QB makes a play in some of the biggest moments in the game. Or The star DE and LBer make a play on 3rd and 4th down to end it. Or our star WRs and TE actually don't turn into ghosts. Or our OPOY doesn't fumble in the RZ.

Brock was great in 4th quarter and OT. He completed 70% of his passes, threw for a TD, and was 3/3 for scoring drives, all against the best defense in the game. Yes, he missed the 2-minute throw to Aiyuk, but he also made some incredibly clutch throws including a 4th down conversion.

But if Burford does his job, Brock probably would have thrown another tuddie, and everyone would be calling him Brock Montana. For a guy who is constantly pestered about his clutch performances, he sure as s**t rose to the occasion on the biggest stage, against the best D, aside from one play. He is so far down the list of people to point the finger at.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you love to argue just to argue sometimes. You're completely losing track of the conversations here. All this talking and you're just proving my point.

I'm not comparing overall rosters, which is why I said nothing about the Bengals failing to make the playoffs, go to the SB..etc. Had I done that then your paragraphs would be put to good use.

My argument was specific to what french said and the frustration that unless things are going perfectly we keep getting exposed on the OL in big moments. You literally cannot refute that. You can play the "Burford" was a backup card til you're blue in the face but the reality was in a critical moment in the game - all other stuff out the door. All he has to do is his job. He doesn't have to pancake Chris Jones. He doesn't have to stand him up. He literally had to get in his way and we score a TD. We do that and at worst if KC still marches down the field we get a 2 pt conversion attempt to defend. Odds of winning the SB certainly jump big time.

THAT was the post french made. You can't make the claim that taking the ball first in OT was the thing that lost us the game and ignore the Burford mistake that happened IN OT!!!

And the whole Burrow conversation only started when you tried to infer that great QBs like Burrow and Stafford can get it done with mediocre OL play almost like we didn't just see that from Purdy in year 2 of his career. Now that I called you on that you want to play the rosters aren't the same card instead of facing the clear truth that you can make up for poor OL play when you have the skill players to get open quickly. Purdy threw how many passes to JJ or Kittle that looked like bad decisions that they came down with cuz of their size? You can laugh at Gesicki all you want but dude is a 6'6 big body who is a solid receiving TE. Chase is the smallest WR in that group at 6'0. Higgins is 6'4. Iosivas is 6'3. Big bodies everywhere. You have guys like that on the outside and you can get the ball out quick and they'll get it for the most part.

You're the king of moving goal posts in arguments and want to attack other people's objectivity. I've responded to each post for a reason and you keep taking it where it wasn't going and adding absurd takes like I'm trying to claim Purdy is better than Burrow. Come on man...

Look back to what I even responded to

Nowhere in there is comparing Purdy to either QB. Nowhere in there does it say Purdy > Stafford/Burrow

So what exactly are you arguing? Do you think Burrow is putting up those numbers without Chase? Pretty sure we have a record of his play without Chase out there.

I said Joe and Stafford both played great with what is objectively bad OLs. Instead of saying well maybe that's because they're just better QBs right now. You went into a whole shtick where you exaggerated everything that is "wrong" for our QB and then propped up whatever is "right" for one QB, Joe Burrow.

Now you're going on about tall WRs pretending that's the difference lol…I'm sure if Brock got tossed onto the Bengals teams this yr he'd have 4,900 41/9. Come on man cut it out.

There isn't a single objective fan, who is saying burrow was surround by better talent than Brock was in 2023…yet here you are trying to sell that to me instead of just admitting that some QBs are just flat out better than other ones.

Show me where I did that.

This was literally my response to you making those claims.

When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.

No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.

YOU took the conversation somewhere I didn't once again.

One thing I'm not going to do is sit here and let you create narratives that aren't there or are there only because you moved the goal posts again. I've posted my QB rankings many times here and Burrow I have as clear cut #4. He is clearly a superior QB to Brock, especially at this stage in their careers. However pointing out the obvious isn't some great tragedy to get all up in arms about...yet here you are doing it.

I don't know what Brock Purdy would do on the Bengals this past season just like you don't know what Burrow would've done on the 49ers in 2023. But I do know that Joe Burrow as good as he is, isn't producing the numbers you're hyping up without those players to overcome the OL gaps.

It's not rocket science NY. You pointed to two QBs who played well with mediocre OLs. I reminded you that Purdy did the same. Everything else after was a result of you taking it beyond that simple reminder. Why you felt the need to get into it I don't know.

Either way the conversation is getting away from this thread and we have OTAs to follow so I'm over it.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers Trent Williams putting in work before his 15th season in the NFL 🦍🫡

(via Zaire Wilborn) pic.twitter.com/QIjv0BmpPd

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) May 29, 2025

Silverback looking a little thinner/smaller here or is it just me?

Is that suppose to be impressive? Is the old man goung to OTAs and participant or is he staying home to figure out ways to manipulate the team for money and play half ass.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers Trent Williams putting in work before his 15th season in the NFL 🦍🫡

(via Zaire Wilborn) pic.twitter.com/QIjv0BmpPd

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) May 29, 2025

Silverback looking a little thinner/smaller here or is it just me?

Is that suppose to be impressive? Is the old man goung to OTAs and participant or is he staying home to figure out ways to manipulate the team for money and play half ass.

At his advanced geriatric age, being able to still do any physical activity is impressive.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers Trent Williams putting in work before his 15th season in the NFL 🦍🫡

(via Zaire Wilborn) pic.twitter.com/QIjv0BmpPd

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) May 29, 2025

Silverback looking a little thinner/smaller here or is it just me?

Is that suppose to be impressive? Is the old man goung to OTAs and participant or is he staying home to figure out ways to manipulate the team for money and play half ass.

At his advanced geriatric age, being able to still do any physical activity is impressive.

Dont really care. Get your fat ass to the OTAs. Be a f**king leader and be worthy of the captaincy.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#49ers Trent Williams putting in work before his 15th season in the NFL 🦍🫡

(via Zaire Wilborn) pic.twitter.com/QIjv0BmpPd

— ???????????????????????????????????????????? (@TheSFNiners) May 29, 2025

Silverback looking a little thinner/smaller here or is it just me?

Is that suppose to be impressive? Is the old man goung to OTAs and participant or is he staying home to figure out ways to manipulate the team for money and play half ass.

At his advanced geriatric age, being able to still do any physical activity is impressive.

Dont really care. Get your fat ass to the OTAs. Be a f**king leader and be worthy of the captaincy.

Yeah I don't disagree with you. Trent's holdout last year given how he looked in the SB was very gross to me.

I understand he's older and voluntary is just that but read the room…hope he shows up and plays like his old self and stays healthy but I would love for him to show up.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you love to argue just to argue sometimes. You're completely losing track of the conversations here. All this talking and you're just proving my point.

I'm not comparing overall rosters, which is why I said nothing about the Bengals failing to make the playoffs, go to the SB..etc. Had I done that then your paragraphs would be put to good use.

My argument was specific to what french said and the frustration that unless things are going perfectly we keep getting exposed on the OL in big moments. You literally cannot refute that. You can play the "Burford" was a backup card til you're blue in the face but the reality was in a critical moment in the game - all other stuff out the door. All he has to do is his job. He doesn't have to pancake Chris Jones. He doesn't have to stand him up. He literally had to get in his way and we score a TD. We do that and at worst if KC still marches down the field we get a 2 pt conversion attempt to defend. Odds of winning the SB certainly jump big time.

THAT was the post french made. You can't make the claim that taking the ball first in OT was the thing that lost us the game and ignore the Burford mistake that happened IN OT!!!

And the whole Burrow conversation only started when you tried to infer that great QBs like Burrow and Stafford can get it done with mediocre OL play almost like we didn't just see that from Purdy in year 2 of his career. Now that I called you on that you want to play the rosters aren't the same card instead of facing the clear truth that you can make up for poor OL play when you have the skill players to get open quickly. Purdy threw how many passes to JJ or Kittle that looked like bad decisions that they came down with cuz of their size? You can laugh at Gesicki all you want but dude is a 6'6 big body who is a solid receiving TE. Chase is the smallest WR in that group at 6'0. Higgins is 6'4. Iosivas is 6'3. Big bodies everywhere. You have guys like that on the outside and you can get the ball out quick and they'll get it for the most part.

You're the king of moving goal posts in arguments and want to attack other people's objectivity. I've responded to each post for a reason and you keep taking it where it wasn't going and adding absurd takes like I'm trying to claim Purdy is better than Burrow. Come on man...

Look back to what I even responded to

Nowhere in there is comparing Purdy to either QB. Nowhere in there does it say Purdy > Stafford/Burrow

So what exactly are you arguing? Do you think Burrow is putting up those numbers without Chase? Pretty sure we have a record of his play without Chase out there.

I said Joe and Stafford both played great with what is objectively bad OLs. Instead of saying well maybe that's because they're just better QBs right now. You went into a whole shtick where you exaggerated everything that is "wrong" for our QB and then propped up whatever is "right" for one QB, Joe Burrow.

Now you're going on about tall WRs pretending that's the difference lol…I'm sure if Brock got tossed onto the Bengals teams this yr he'd have 4,900 41/9. Come on man cut it out.

There isn't a single objective fan, who is saying burrow was surround by better talent than Brock was in 2023…yet here you are trying to sell that to me instead of just admitting that some QBs are just flat out better than other ones.

Show me where I did that.

This was literally my response to you making those claims.

When was Stafford amazing with a subpar OL? Joe can be amazing with a subpar OL because he's got Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins and a bunch of other weapons.

No different than Purdy having us in the SB with the weapons we had with a subpar OL. Once again...doesn't change that the OL played very poorly in that SB.

YOU took the conversation somewhere I didn't once again.

One thing I'm not going to do is sit here and let you create narratives that aren't there or are there only because you moved the goal posts again. I've posted my QB rankings many times here and Burrow I have as clear cut #4. He is clearly a superior QB to Brock, especially at this stage in their careers. However pointing out the obvious isn't some great tragedy to get all up in arms about...yet here you are doing it.

I don't know what Brock Purdy would do on the Bengals this past season just like you don't know what Burrow would've done on the 49ers in 2023. But I do know that Joe Burrow as good as he is, isn't producing the numbers you're hyping up without those players to overcome the OL gaps.

It's not rocket science NY. You pointed to two QBs who played well with mediocre OLs. I reminded you that Purdy did the same. Everything else after was a result of you taking it beyond that simple reminder. Why you felt the need to get into it I don't know.

Either way the conversation is getting away from this thread and we have OTAs to follow so I'm over it.

He's admitting we need our "stars" to play lights out in the SB in order to win because our o-line sucks, but it got us that far regardless, so if they don't it's the stars fault because we all know the o line sucks?

I think the future 1st ballot HOFer has this thing figured out.

Originally posted by random49er:
I think the future 1st ballot HOFer has this thing figured out.

I don't think anyone is questioning whether he's got it figured out or not. Other guys have it figured out as well. Just feels like it would've been a good message to send to the rest of the team. We'll see how he looks once the mandatory stuff starts. If he thinks staying away is best for his body…Hope he's right.