Cox or Cully?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
.......only one backing you up is DeUh.......

I think I made it very clear that I have no intention to join this childish back and forth.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
But overall still played inconsistently. But maybe it's because of such high expectations for Culliver and we didn't think Cox would produce the way he did this year. Overall I still say Cox was the better all around player in all the CB's.

still disagree. he missed a year of development with the acl injury came back from it and got through the season and improved each week which is what he would've done last season given the opportunity. it hasn't even clicked completely yet but another off season of actually working and not just studying tape might have him prime to have a real breakout season.

Well for what it's worth I'm not trying to get you to agree with me, I'm merely just stating my case. You will never agree with what I reply with cause you see what you wanna see. You wanna bring up that Cox has been out with an ACL injury in 2013, yet you give no same reasoning with Cox who has started consistent games since 2010 and has only 3 more starts than Culliver. Multiple times I've asked from two posters that have targeted my responses in this thread to show me not just stats but the differences in the stats with the different situations they were in.

Reason I ask, getting beat for this catch here is way different.......



......than getting beat like this for a catch.

It's not me seeing what I want to see. It's me seeing something and the stats actually backing me up with what I see. You just can't accept being wrong.
Culliver out with an ACL injury and not getting the chance to build on what he started is way different than cox just flat out being healthy and not getting a chance because the coaching staff didn't think he should. He wasn't even on the team for a stretch last season, he was on Seattle or are we going to act like that didn't even happen?
When you asked for the stats they favored Culliver
When you asked for the difference they favored Culliver.
And to finish your post you bring up a play from his initial campaign with playing time on the field like his stats and the eye test don't show he's a different player.
All you see and can't get over is the super bowl. His longest pass given up is 20 yards SHORTER than cox's
So getting beat 20 yards shorter no matter how you want to slant it in favor of the guy you like is still getting beat 20 yards shorter.
You're going to keep digging and digging until it gets turned around but it won't because nothing supports it.
Cox made more splash plays in the beginning of the season. Culliver was rock solid in the 2nd half of the season. There is no clear winner and judging by upside I believe culliver if we absolutely had to choose would be the better choice.
I want both of them to come back.

How am I wrong, you haven't proved that yet. You post NOTHNG to back your claim up, only one backing you up is DeUh,

DeUh isn't backing me up. the stats that DeUh is posting is backing me up. saving me the trouble of you referring to what you think you saw which turns out to be untrue.

i want both.
you want cox just say you want him cause you like him better not based off of something that happened in the super bowl
cause it's clearly not based off the season he ended up having now is it?

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
But overall still played inconsistently. But maybe it's because of such high expectations for Culliver and we didn't think Cox would produce the way he did this year. Overall I still say Cox was the better all around player in all the CB's.

still disagree. he missed a year of development with the acl injury came back from it and got through the season and improved each week which is what he would've done last season given the opportunity. it hasn't even clicked completely yet but another off season of actually working and not just studying tape might have him prime to have a real breakout season.

Well for what it's worth I'm not trying to get you to agree with me, I'm merely just stating my case. You will never agree with what I reply with cause you see what you wanna see. You wanna bring up that Cox has been out with an ACL injury in 2013, yet you give no same reasoning with Cox who has started consistent games since 2010 and has only 3 more starts than Culliver. Multiple times I've asked from two posters that have targeted my responses in this thread to show me not just stats but the differences in the stats with the different situations they were in.

Reason I ask, getting beat for this catch here is way different.......



......than getting beat like this for a catch.

It's not me seeing what I want to see. It's me seeing something and the stats actually backing me up with what I see. You just can't accept being wrong.
Culliver out with an ACL injury and not getting the chance to build on what he started is way different than cox just flat out being healthy and not getting a chance because the coaching staff didn't think he should. He wasn't even on the team for a stretch last season, he was on Seattle or are we going to act like that didn't even happen?
When you asked for the stats they favored Culliver
When you asked for the difference they favored Culliver.
And to finish your post you bring up a play from his initial campaign with playing time on the field like his stats and the eye test don't show he's a different player.
All you see and can't get over is the super bowl. His longest pass given up is 20 yards SHORTER than cox's
So getting beat 20 yards shorter no matter how you want to slant it in favor of the guy you like is still getting beat 20 yards shorter.
You're going to keep digging and digging until it gets turned around but it won't because nothing supports it.
Cox made more splash plays in the beginning of the season. Culliver was rock solid in the 2nd half of the season. There is no clear winner and judging by upside I believe culliver if we absolutely had to choose would be the better choice.
I want both of them to come back.

How am I wrong, you haven't proved that yet. You post NOTHNG to back your claim up, only one backing you up is DeUh,

DeUh isn't backing me up. the stats that DeUh is posting is backing me up. saving me the trouble of you referring to what you think you saw which turns out to be untrue.

i want both.
you want cox just say you want him cause you like him better not based off of something that happened in the super bowl
cause it's clearly not based off the season he ended up having now is it?

Right before that busted play in the SB, Cully had a for sure INT..but Smith interefered big time..and should have been an OPI...but like most of the game..no call


Cully is a beast..and was getting back to himself at the end of the season

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
.......only one backing you up is DeUh.......

I think I made it very clear that I have no intention to join this childish back and forth.

Thanks.

I never meant that you are directly backing him up, I meant to say the stats being posted just so happen to be you is the only thing backing him up. Sorry worded it wrong.

But getting back to jonesadrian, this has really been all for nothing, you're actually right, I'd love for both to come back....(at a reasonable price of course).....don't know how it really got to this.

And on a side note: the two pics I posted were meant to show the difference in giving up yardage and how it doesn't show up on the stat sheet, and not indirect to how Culliver has been playing. It was meant to reflect a stat DeUh posted about Cox guarding Odell Beckham, can we all agree on that??

Well i think the title of this topic is how it "came to this." Im quite surprised by the numbers. Thats all i can say. In the 3 years ive been watching cully i can say honestly he has issues turning and findng the ball. Did not have to look very hard this year to see cox making those plays. Thays all i can say.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Right before that busted play in the SB, Cully had a for sure INT..but Smith interefered big time..and should have been an OPI...but like most of the game..no call


Cully is a beast..and was getting back to himself at the end of the season

This is why I say we were rather outcoached or the Ravens were coached to cheat and pull out all the stops to beat us. We got hosed by the refs outplayed and out coached. No way we should have lost to an inferior team as we did

Both

cullliver is far superior. if you dont see it you're still sore about the SB.

and in that case you better also want hte QB gone who threw away the playoff game last yr. forget one play.

culliver looks like he's bordering on elite level press man to man coverage. numbers back it up.
what some people "see" or "feel" doesnt mean anything when the numbers overwhelmingly show that cullly is likely by far the best cover corner we have.
inside or out.

Move cully to slot where he exceled rookie season, ward to safety when bathea is gone (hopefully not soon) and Johnson replaces cully. Good situation to have though.

i dont think cully ever played slot. when he came in on the nickel, he'd go outside and one of the starters would shift inside. i'm fairly certain rogers used to always go inside in the nickel and cully take his spot.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
i dont think cully ever played slot. when he came in on the nickel, he'd go outside and one of the starters would shift inside. i'm fairly certain rogers used to always go inside in the nickel and cully take his spot.

exactly, nickle and slot are totally different.

Culliver played 30 snaps (5 targets, 5 receptions) in the Slot as a Niner.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
cullliver is far superior. if you dont see it you're still sore about the SB.

and in that case you better also want hte QB gone who threw away the playoff game last yr. forget one play.

culliver looks like he's bordering on elite level press man to man coverage. numbers back it up.
what some people "see" or "feel" doesnt mean anything when the numbers overwhelmingly show that cullly is likely by far the best cover corner we have.
inside or out.

Which really should go under the +1 for Baalke. He loves Cully and stood by him through it all and he played very well for us this year. And,I anticipate, he'd play even better if with us next year and beyond. I hope Cully shows Baalke the same loyalty!

Cully all day. I thought Cox got worse as the season went on.

By Week 6, Cox was a potential pro bowl candidate... but then just tailed off.

Originally posted by amosmac28:
Cully all day. I thought Cox got worse as the season went on.

By Week 6, Cox was a potential pro bowl candidate... but then just tailed off.

If Cully keeps improving he could be our #1 CB.

Cox and Brock have #2 CB talent.