Cox or Cully?

I think they could easily afford both,

and I think they'll end up bringing both of them back.


But If they had to get rid of one, it's probably Cully.

Cox has proved him self over the last 2 seasons, and is still young. Got to stick with the hot hand.


Cully has had his downs, but I like him. I hope they bring back both. Who knows how Brock, and Johnson will do.

Plus we still got cook, and of course Ward.

Cox is a better cb and much better value as he can play the slot. He doesn't have slip ups like cully has bad AND cox is clutch. He sealed 2-3 games with ints and cully has NEVER DONE THAT. easy choice although if we sign both we would have a top 3-5 unit again and probably lead the league in ints again!!

I don't think I've ever seen a worse tackler than culliver. dude is terrible at it and fears contact.

My concern with Cox is that he was consistently thrown at. This leads me to believe that his receivers were getting open and that quarterbacks were seeing something that they liked (separation?). While he is certainly a ballhawk and plays the ball well/aggressively, I think the interceptions are partly the result of volume (i.e. lots of chances to intercept passes because a lots of balls were thrown his way).

I always think back to guys like Charles Woodson or Nnamdi Asomugha in their primes -- their interception totals were often completely underwhelming, mostly because teams weren't even bothering attempting to throw to their way. Cox strikes me as a bit overrated around the Webzone. I'm not seeing he's bad, but sometimes interceptions need to be taken with a grain of salt.

That said, I want to emphasize that I love the way he plays the ball. He rarely looks overmatched going up for a jump ball.

Originally posted by DeUh:
Without joining the debate between CullyInTheHouse and Kolohe here are a few of the numbers Kolohe asked for.




Week 1 - Week 17 2014



Perrish Cox: Thrown At 96 times, Receptions Allowed 59, Yards Allowed 830, Longest Reception 63 yards, Passes Defensed 18, Interceptions 5, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 78.0


Chris Culliver: Thrown At 73 times, Receptions Allowed 37, Yards Allowed 468, Longest Reception 45 yards, Passes Defensed 15, Interceptions 4, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 66.5




Since Bye Week (Week 9 vs Rams - Week 17 vs Cardinals)



Perrish Cox: Thrown At 55 times, Receptions Allowed 38, Yards Allowed 525, Longest Reception 63 yards, Passes Defensed 6, Interceptions 2, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 96.4


Chris Culliver: Thrown At 40 Times, Receptions Allowed 18, Yards Allowed 207, Longest Reception 25 yards, Passes Defensed 12, Interceptions 4, Missed Tackles 2, NFL QB Rating 46.6




I agree with thl408 that on tape Culliver looks like the better press/tight man coverage defender and Cox like the better pattern match/zone defender.

Thanks DeUh, now as you can see Cox has had to defend more. Now here's were that stat get's misleading, I'd like to know how many times between Culliver's and Cox's passes thrown to them had Safety help?? Also, on each of those passes thrown to them, who were the receivers guarded (During the NYG game Cox was mostly on Odel Beckham we all know about his acrobatic catches), how does one compare to the deep ball than the other?? In man and zone at each snap, who has given up the most yards or TD's?? How was pressure on the QB on each snap between Cox and Culliver, was one in coverage longer than the other, we all know CB's can't cover forever??

Cox. He's much better in coverage.

I want both. But if I have to choose, I want Cox. He played better and has been able to keep out of trouble. He also is a decent return guy and can play the slot.

That is my gut feel too. Dontae Johnson has looked good and he is a similar type of player as Culliver. If we can't keep both, I'm betting Baalke keeps Cox.

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
I don't think I've ever seen a worse tackler than culliver. dude is terrible at it and fears contact.

I wish I could do a film breakdown to show what DeUh and I are saying with how Cully excels at man and Cox excels at pattern match/zone. It really stands out on film. Unfortunately, I'd have to show the majority of the snaps of each player or else it's cherry picking film. Probably the only assessments I can't agree with are those that say one guy is a bum and that it's an easy choice to pick. Not that it's wrong to believe that, it's just I have a hard time deciding so I don't agree with it.

Cully has now turned in two good seasons. Cox has had an excellent, all-pro worthy, half season.

The clip above shows Cully looking like a dumbass, and I agree his eagerness to tackle is suspect at times, but here's one where he isn't shy of contact (that's Jimmy Graham).

Just want to throw it out there that there are two other routes that Baalke can take. Keep both and keep neither. If both ask for too much $, then there are options in DJohnson, (hopefully) a healthy Brock, Acker, and Chris Cook. If Donatell stays on board, he can continue to work his magic with lesser talent.

With RayMac and (hopefully not) Justin off the books, there is some cap freed up from the front 7 that can be allotted to the secondary. So keep both. Although I don't fully understand the 15-16 cap situation.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by AmpLee:
Cox. He carries himself better and was the superior player last year. I also think he'll come cheaper. I'd like to sign both, but don't think we can afford that.

Bingo.

Plus I think Cox has better range and pays the deep ball a lot better. Cox has earned it too, I think he's a far greater Corner than Brock, I've also never thought of Brock as a starter.

I want both but if I had to choose I would go with Cox because I think he has cleaned up his act where as I'm not so sure about Cully. He still seems a little immature and I'm over all these guys getting into trouble. I want it to be like the days of old when we dominated on and off the field. Both played extremely well last year though and Cully is younger so he does have that edge on Cox.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Thanks DeUh.....on each of those passes thrown to them, who were the receivers guarded (During the NYG game Cox was mostly on Odel Beckham we all know about his acrobatic catches).....

vs Odell Beckham Jr

Culliver was thrown at 2 times, allowed 0 receptions.
Cox was thrown at 5 times, allowed 4 receptions (70 yards).



vs Rueben Randle

Culliver was thrown at 9 times, allowed 3 receptions (35 yards).
Cox was thrown at 4 times, allowed 2 receptions (31 yards).




I can´t tell you exactly how many snaps each one played vs Beckham Jr or Randle. I haven´t made notes in that regard while watching the tape.

Originally posted by thl408:
Just want to throw it out there that there are two other routes that Baalke can take. Keep both and keep neither. If both ask for too much $, then there are options in DJohnson, (hopefully) a healthy Brock, Acker, and Chris Cook. If Donatell stays on board, he can continue to work his magic with lesser talent.

With RayMac and (hopefully not) Justin off the books, there is some cap freed up from the front 7 that can be allotted to the secondary. So keep both. Although I don't fully understand the 15-16 cap situation.

Yup...we've got several options and directions we can go. This is assuming Fangio and team are still here under this current scheme.

RCB: Chris Culliver; Leon McFadden & Cameron Fuller (Keith Reaser)
LCB: Tramaine Brock; Marcus Cromartie (Chris Cook & Kenneth Acker)
SLOT/NICKLE: Dontae Johnson; Perrish Cox
FS: Eric Reid; Jimmie Ward
SS: Antoine Bethea; L.J. McCray

So right now, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox & Chris Cook are FA's. Since Cook was injured, I highly doubt there would be any other suitors for him and he played well for us in our system AND was a ST ace. We should be able to get him very cheap. I want both Culliver and Cox back but we also have some young ones that have some serious upside in McFadden, Reaser, Johnson and Acker (heck, a healthy Ward too).

All of these guys are signed through at least 2015: Leon McFadden, Cameron Fuller, Keith Reaser, Tramaine Brock, Kenneth Acker, Dontae Johnson, Eric Reid, Jimmie Ward, Antoine Bethea & L.J. McCray.

If we can retain Cox and Culliver under or around Brock's 4 year $16M, we should be in great shape. If not, we clearly have some other options (some with plenty of experience this year thanks to injuries) for next year plus FA and the draft.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Culliver is a pussie. Got a few picks, good for him but dude is soft as rabbit snatch

Let's not forget dude looks clueless when someone makes a catch on him. Dude has been burnt more times than toast, I don't give a s**t what PFF says, I actually watch 9er games not put together numbers like a frickin calculator.

apparently you don't if you decided to type this.
once he was healthy he was rock solid. his side of the field was great.

Yah apparently I don't, since I've only been a mod of this site since the internets was invented.

I just come here for s**ts and giggles (mostly for giggles) and just talk about MMA and the UFC yah that's right.

Yah Culliver was rock solid alright....dumb as a rock solid. (humor relax)

In all honesty, his side of the field was and always has been inconsistent, he mostly gets beat on hitch routes or come backs. Cox is much better at man-coverage than he is.

Disagree completely. Culliver has always been a 2nd half player, you may get him in the 1st but the 2nd half he picks it up. this season he grew from being that to a full game player. his side was solid way more than it wasn't when he was out there.

Originally posted by DeUh:
Without joining the debate between CullyInTheHouse and Kolohe here are a few of the numbers Kolohe asked for.




Week 1 - Week 17 2014



Perrish Cox: Thrown At 96 times, Receptions Allowed 59, Yards Allowed 830, Longest Reception 63 yards, Passes Defensed 18, Interceptions 5, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 78.0


Chris Culliver: Thrown At 73 times, Receptions Allowed 37, Yards Allowed 468, Longest Reception 45 yards, Passes Defensed 15, Interceptions 4, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 66.5




Since Bye Week (Week 9 vs Rams - Week 17 vs Cardinals)



Perrish Cox: Thrown At 55 times, Receptions Allowed 38, Yards Allowed 525, Longest Reception 63 yards, Passes Defensed 6, Interceptions 2, Missed Tackles 4, NFL QB Rating 96.4


Chris Culliver: Thrown At 40 Times, Receptions Allowed 18, Yards Allowed 207, Longest Reception 25 yards, Passes Defensed 12, Interceptions 4, Missed Tackles 2, NFL QB Rating 46.6




I agree with thl408 that on tape Culliver looks like the better press/tight man coverage defender and Cox like the better pattern match/zone defender.

Ouch

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:
I don't think I've ever seen a worse tackler than culliver. dude is terrible at it and fears contact.

I wish I could do a film breakdown to show what DeUh and I are saying with how Cully excels at man and Cox excels at pattern match/zone. It really stands out on film. Unfortunately, I'd have to show the majority of the snaps of each player or else it's cherry picking film. Probably the only assessments I can't agree with are those that say one guy is a bum and that it's an easy choice to pick. Not that it's wrong to believe that, it's just I have a hard time deciding so I don't agree with it.

Cully has now turned in two good seasons. Cox has had an excellent, all-pro worthy, half season.

The clip above shows Cully looking like a dumbass, and I agree his eagerness to tackle is suspect at times, but here's one where he isn't shy of contact (that's Jimmy Graham).

Culliver is still learning on the job. He picked up where he left off building on his rookie season that's the point people are missing. You could see him being rusty the 1st half of the season. Vic always says the only way to get better is to play and as the season went on he got better and better. He's going to get even better this next season coming up.

keep both but the splash plays by cox has people making outrageous claims cox was good and had a stretch of great ball and then he had a not so good stretch as well and gave up a lot of yards and completions.

keep both of them.