If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
More so of pocket awareness if anything? Having happy feet again, has nothing to do with footwork, since happy feet happens while waiting in the pocket going through your progression or staring down your first read.

That's the problem, 1987 steve young did not go thru his reads. If primary wasn't there he would take off. How is that a sign of good footwork. In 1987, Steve completed 54% of his passes in the same scheme that joe was hitting at 69%.

Unless you have 1987 49ers coaching film, lets stop with the analysis from 27 years ago. You can say Holmgren was a reason Young got better but getting to detailed about it is only going to get you in trouble. I mean Joe Montana in 1987 was completely 66% of his passes with his career avg being 63.6%. So Joe Montana was not "hitting at 69%"

wasn't 1987 the year we got upset by the Vikings???

we were the #1 team on both offense and defense... and wasn't that the year Joe got hurt and Young took over.. he had like, 10 TDs and 2 Ints??

And he ended up replacing Montana in the playoffs??

Originally posted by Jcool:
Unless you have 1987 49ers coaching film, lets stop with the analysis from 27 years ago. You can say Holmgren was a reason Young got better but getting to detailed about it is only going to get you in trouble. I mean Joe Montana in 1987 was completely 66% of his passes with his career avg being 63.6%. So Joe Montana was not "hitting at 69%"

That all I have ever said was Steve was raw and broken after his stay in TB. With the coaching of Walsh in '87-88 and Holmgren in '87-91he developed into what we all remember when he took over. My mistake on messing up Joe's '87 Comp%, point is in the same offense of 1987 Steve was completing passing at 54% while Joe was passing at a 66% rate. In 1987, Steve had 69 pass attempts and 26 rush attempts. Same Year Joe had 398 pass attempts and 35 rush attempts. Steve was a scrambler that had to be reined in. It eventually happened and Holmgren was a big reason for it.

didn't we traded for Steve Young in the 1985 draft???

Vinny Testaverde was picked 1st overall by Tampa Bay, and we only gave up a 2nd rounder for Steve Young??

Originally posted by 9moon:
wasn't 1987 the year we got upset by the Vikings???

we were the #1 team on both offense and defense... and wasn't that the year Joe got hurt and Young took over.. he had like, 10 TDs and 2 Ints??

And he ended up replacing Montana in the playoffs??

Steve started 3 games when Joe was injured. Joe did get pulled in the Minnesota game. Young had an outstanding Td/Int ratio, but he ran the offense way different that Joe did. You hear the stories of the receivers getting pissed off because he was running instead of passing the ball. He was raw with a ton of talent and learning a new system, he had really good coaches that helped him along.

Originally posted by 9moon:
didn't we traded for Steve Young in the 1985 draft???

Vinny Testaverde was picked 1st overall by Tampa Bay, and we only gave up a 2nd rounder for Steve Young??

We got Young in 1987. Traded a second and a fouth to TB for him. Vinny was first pick in 1987.

Whatever... just make sure the love fest Harbaugh / Carroll just got started the past couple of days does NOT continue with new coach and Carroll

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Oh yeah let me be clear, I'd only entertain the possibility of Holmgren as HC only, no GM role. That's Baalke's baby

Are they close / fond of each other (Holmgren and Baalke)??

I'd love Holmgren and welcome him with open arms as coach. even Jon Gruden or Billick or someone NFL and NO MORE COLLEGE COACHES!!!

Originally posted by 49er4lyfe8:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by LVJay:
I'm starting to warm up to the (Holmgren) idea again... as long as he is just the HC and nothing else

Plus the few Seahawks fans that actually existed prior to 2012 would be mad as FUUUUUUUUU about seeing Holmgren on the 49ers sidelines.

The only thing that would scare me about Holmgren is that history has shown that no coach has ever won a SB with two teams. Holmgren would be that guy that can definitely clean up the offense and clean up fundamentals, though. He makes QBs better. If he made Hasselbeck look good, he can make Kap a stud.

Cawk suckers can talk all the crap they want, but he made them relevant...

And yes, to the bold

Also, I know some people in here aren't down with Holmgren because they think he's out dated "dinosaur" or whatever, but I don't think he's dumb enough to believe his old style would be good against defenses of today... I'm sure he would adapt, he probably already has a bunch of new ideas and what not. I wouldn't doubt the old clever fox (or elephant for that matter)

Originally posted by LVJay:

Cawk suckers can talk all the crap they want, but he made them relevant...

And yes, to the bold

Also, I know some people in here aren't down with Holmgren because they think he's out dated "dinosaur" or whatever, but I don't think he's dumb enough to believe his old style would be good against defenses of today... I'm sure he would adapt, he probably already has a bunch of new ideas and what not. I wouldn't doubt the old clever fox (or elephant for that matter)

Actually the concepts he has ran forever still work today. He would need the package them differently. A little more spread and gun looks than in the past.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I'd love Holmgren and welcome him with open arms as coach. even Jon Gruden or Billick or someone NFL and NO MORE COLLEGE COACHES!!!

NOOO not billick

holmgren and gruden yes, with a caveat that they would not have any GM power.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Oh yeah let me be clear, I'd only entertain the possibility of Holmgren as HC only, no GM role. That's Baalke's baby

Are they close / fond of each other (Holmgren and Baalke)??

No clue, Baalke is a parcells guy so it's probably a long shot tbh. Just entertaining the possiblity. It will probably be one of the younger OC's who wouldn't want total control.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Oh yeah let me be clear, I'd only entertain the possibility of Holmgren as HC only, no GM role. That's Baalke's baby

Are they close / fond of each other (Holmgren and Baalke)??

No clue, Baalke is a parcells guy so it's probably a long shot tbh. Just entertaining the possiblity. It will probably be one of the younger OC's who wouldn't want total control.

Oh yeah (It's Parcells that Baalke likes) that's right. Man, I don't think Baalke and Holmgren would mash (might bump d*ck heads)

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I'd love Holmgren and welcome him with open arms as coach. even Jon Gruden or Billick or someone NFL and NO MORE COLLEGE COACHES!!!

NOOO not billick

holmgren and gruden yes, with a caveat that they would not have any GM power.

Why not?

I think he's liked around the media... they'll be kissing his butt and referees might warm up to him (it helps cheated petey)

Plus, if you can win a SB with Dilfer, man that says something. I know the defense was awesome, but still I think he'd do well. No?