If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Wow no clue huh!! LOL re-read my post and go look what I'm actually trying to get at. It's about in comparison of Kaepernick being a pocket passer and as a pocket passer, yes Young and Favre were that much better, they had the mechanics and footwork to perform and adjust to the offensive ways of Walsh's offense.

Yes, that's right. On early Steve Young and Brett Favre, you clearly have no clue.

f**kin internet tough guy. LOL

OK tell me how were Young and Favre more raw coming outta college than Kaepernick. Also what were the offenses they both ran in college as opposed to what Kaepernick ran??

Steve young pre-Holmgren was a 53% passer with 11 tds and 21 ints. That's with two years in the other pro league.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Wow no clue huh!! LOL re-read my post and go look what I'm actually trying to get at. It's about in comparison of Kaepernick being a pocket passer and as a pocket passer, yes Young and Favre were that much better, they had the mechanics and footwork to perform and adjust to the offensive ways of Walsh's offense.

Yes, that's right. On early Steve Young and Brett Favre, you clearly have no clue.

Early steve young by his own admission had terrible footwork. Then you have stories of early Brett farve rolling to the left side on sprit right option.

Oh how so, please explain??

Originally posted by crake49:
If you're going to be comparing records, just about anyone is going to be a downgrade. That's just one of the many reasons why I think losing Harbaugh would be a huge mistake.

Valid point. I wish Harbaugh would just follow his brother's lead from 2012 and can his offensive coordinator.

The Ravens were 9-4 when John fired Cam Cameron. I think Greg Roman has proven he's far more deserving of a pink slip.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Oh how so, please explain??

Oh I don't know, maybe by not actually staying in the pocket. Scrambling at the first sight of pressure and failing to deliever the ball to the Receivers.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Oh how so, please explain??

Oh I don't know, maybe by not actually staying in the pocket. Scrambling at the first sight of pressure and failing to deliever the ball to the Receivers.

That has nothing to do with footwork, btw while at BYU, he had designed roll out passes. Wow and I'm the clueless one here.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

That has nothing to do with footwork, btw while at BYU, he had designed roll out passes. Wow and I'm the clueless one here.

So staying in the pocket has nothing to do with footwork? So the fact he had "happy feet" has nothing to do with footwork.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

That has nothing to do with footwork, btw while at BYU, he had designed roll out passes. Wow and I'm the clueless one here.

So staying in the pocket has nothing to do with footwork? So the fact he had "happy feet" has nothing to do with footwork.

1987 steve young was very different from 1991 steve young. In his own words he was a broken qb after his time in TB.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
That has nothing to do with footwork, btw while at BYU, he had designed roll out passes. Wow and I'm the clueless one here.

So staying in the pocket has nothing to do with footwork? So the fact he had "happy feet" has nothing to do with footwork.

More so of pocket awareness if anything? Having happy feet again, has nothing to do with footwork, since happy feet happens while waiting in the pocket going through your progression or staring down your first read.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
That has nothing to do with footwork, btw while at BYU, he had designed roll out passes. Wow and I'm the clueless one here.

So staying in the pocket has nothing to do with footwork? So the fact he had "happy feet" has nothing to do with footwork.

1987 steve young was very different from 1991 steve young. In his own words he was a broken qb after his time in TB.

This is where one starts venturing away from the topic at hand. Main question was, how was Young and Favre more raw coming outta college than Kaepernick. For one, Young and Favre hand much more reads to go through than just reading the back-side DE. Kaepernicks offense rquired next to none QB mechanics or footwork, what offense am I speaking of??

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
More so of pocket awareness if anything? Having happy feet again, has nothing to do with footwork, since happy feet happens while waiting in the pocket going through your progression or staring down your first read.

That's the problem, 1987 steve young did not go thru his reads as well as he eventually would. If primary wasn't there he was more prone to taking off. How is that a sign of good footwork. In 1987, Steve completed 54% of his passes in the same scheme that joe was hitting at 66%.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

Wow no clue huh!! LOL re-read my post and go look what I'm actually trying to get at. It's about in comparison of Kaepernick being a pocket passer and as a pocket passer, yes Young and Favre were that much better, they had the mechanics and footwork to perform and adjust to the offensive ways of Walsh's offense.

Yes, that's right. On early Steve Young and Brett Favre, you clearly have no clue.

Early steve young by his own admission had terrible footwork. Then you have stories of early Brett farve rolling to the left side on sprit right option.

Oh how so, please explain??

Didn't he just do that?

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
More so of pocket awareness if anything? Having happy feet again, has nothing to do with footwork, since happy feet happens while waiting in the pocket going through your progression or staring down your first read.

That's the problem, 1987 steve young did not go thru his reads. If primary wasn't there he would take off. How is that a sign of good footwork. In 1987, Steve completed 54% of his passes in the same scheme that joe was hitting at 69%.

Nevermind I'm done with this conversation.

Getting back:

If Jim Harbaugh leaves who would I want, how about Pep Hamilton, I think he's upped Indy's offense and their O-line doesn't have nearly the super stars SF has on their O-line.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Nevermind I'm done with this conversation.

Getting back:

If Jim Harbaugh leaves who would I want, how about Pep Hamilton, I think he's upped Indy's offense and their O-line doesn't have nearly the super stars SF has on their O-line.

Not sure how I feel about Pep Hamilton. He's basically a Harbaugh disciple, and it certainly helps having Andrew Luck, T.Y. Hilton, and Reggie Wayne.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
This is where one starts venturing away from the topic at hand. Main question was, how was Young and Favre more raw coming outta college than Kaepernick. For one, Young and Favre hand much more reads to go through than just reading the back-side DE. Kaepernicks offense rquired next to none QB mechanics or footwork, what offense am I speaking of??

If you think farve and young were considered polished in there early years you obviously didn't watch them play. Despite them playing in more pro style offense, they still struggled very early on in their career. Hell, faVres first pro offense was a run and shoot scheme in Atlanta.

As for kap playing in a pistol, while it didnt lend itself to the pro game he has put up stats that blow Steve and Brett's formative years away. Kaps is at 60% comp 47 td 21 int. Neither, Brett or Steve come close to those.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Nevermind I'm done with this conversation.

Getting back:

If Jim Harbaugh leaves who would I want, how about Pep Hamilton, I think he's upped Indy's offense and their O-line doesn't have nearly the super stars SF has on their O-line.

Not sure how I feel about Pep Hamilton. He's basically a Harbaugh disciple, and it certainly helps having Andrew Luck, T.Y. Hilton, and Reggie Wayne.

Nothing wrong with being a Harbaugh disciple as long as you don't come with the Harbaugh attitude. Seriously though, I like how he's mixed it up and kept defenses on their toes. Andrew Luck seems to have more confidence out there, not that he didn't have before, but he just looks more fiery out there on the field now. Maybe Hamilton will give Kaepernick a boost of confidence in him too. Also look at the routes the receivers run in that offense, far more crossing routes than from what I've seen in the 9ers offense, well it's also probably due to the fact that they have more speed out there.