If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Wait about 3 years down the road and we'll have a good idea of who was more to blame. If Harbaugh goes somewhere else and we hear rumors about him having trouble dealing with the front office or players checking out.....etc, it'll become pretty evident what the issue was. On the other hand, if he has tremendous success there without any issues seemingly being present and everything is harmonious and happy-doo-dah, then its a sign that this front office was probably too overbearing.

My gut feeling is they are gonna find out that they are much better together than with out each other. This is gonna but so much pressure on the FO finding a suitable replacement.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:
I agree...I don't expect Holmgren to comeback, but all the narrative that he couldn't be successful is silly.

It's still f**ked up we are having these convos. Harbs should've been a decade guy. It's b******t that the FO and him can't get on the same page.

Wait about 3 years down the road and we'll have a good idea of who was more to blame. If Harbaugh goes somewhere else and we hear rumors about him having trouble dealing with the front office or players checking out.....etc, it'll become pretty evident what the issue was. On the other hand, if he has tremendous success there without any issues seemingly being present and everything is harmonious and happy-doo-dah, then its a sign that this front office was probably too overbearing.

Agree...depends on success of either. If Harbaugh leaves and leads Oakland to a Super Bowl victory then maybe Baalke and Jed should have been more patient. But if a new coach has the same success as Harbaugh has had...no harm no foul.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I agree...I don't expect Holmgren to comeback, but all the narrative that he couldn't be successful is silly.

It's still f**ked up we are having these convos. Harbs should've been a decade guy. It's b******t that the FO and him can't get on the same page.

Well, it's true what they say, we are our own worst enemy.

At the end of the day, if you are a demagogue, you'll wear people out and rub people the wrong way. Harbaugh is what the 49ers needed to get it together. Now, they need somebody more on the lines of a Conklin, Shanahan, Shaw, or Helfrich. A guy that has a steady hand and a complete vision. Harbaugh for all his ability, has never really had a coharent approach on either side of the ball. Luckily he has Fangio, unfortunately, he wasn't able to lure a strong OC.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Just leave the D alone and I'm all good.

I hear you and I think that's the problem with Tomsula. You take a guy who works for Fangio and make him HC and you expect Fangio to hang around as the DC? I don't think so. The only way I think you can keep Fangio and his group in place is to bring in an experienced HC who Fangio respects.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

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Originally posted by Niners816:

I agree...I don't expect Holmgren to comeback, but all the narrative that he couldn't be successful is silly.

It's still f**ked up we are having these convos. Harbs should've been a decade guy. It's b******t that the FO and him can't get on the same page.

Wait about 3 years down the road and we'll have a good idea of who was more to blame. If Harbaugh goes somewhere else and we hear rumors about him having trouble dealing with the front office or players checking out.....etc, it'll become pretty evident what the issue was. On the other hand, if he has tremendous success there without any issues seemingly being present and everything is harmonious and happy-doo-dah, then its a sign that this front office was probably too overbearing.

Agree...depends on success of either. If Harbaugh leaves and leads Oakland to a Super Bowl victory then maybe Baalke and Jed should have been more patient. But if a new coach has the same success as Harbaugh has had...no harm no foul.

I just feel cheated, that it looks like only 4 years. If the FO truely had issues with his act, I hope they at least tried to ask him the dial down the dick-head act a bit. I'm sure Harbs being Harbs he is oblivious to all of it. It's just ashame.

Originally posted by Niners816:
I just feel cheated, that it looks like only 4 years. If the FO truely had issues with his act, I hope they at least tried to ask him the dial down the dick-head act a bit. I'm sure Harbs being Harbs he is oblivious to all of it. It's just ashame.

I believe they did ask him to dial down and he's been much calmer on the sidelines this year. The issues seem to be his siding with players and being confrontational with the front office. Even his press conferences have been less confrontational. May be too little too late?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Niners816:
I just feel cheated, that it looks like only 4 years. If the FO truely had issues with his act, I hope they at least tried to ask him the dial down the dick-head act a bit. I'm sure Harbs being Harbs he is oblivious to all of it. It's just ashame.

I believe they did ask him to dial down and he's been much calmer on the sidelines this year. The issues seem to be his siding with players and being confrontational with the front office. Even his press conferences have been less confrontational. May be too little too late?

yeah probably too little to late. i never read much into those stories of bis brother saying how jim was a bit of a loner growing up and didnt have many friends or whatever his quote was. it makes sense now, the guy is who he is and he just wears on people.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners816:
I agree...I don't expect Holmgren to comeback, but all the narrative that he couldn't be successful is silly.

It's still f**ked up we are having these convos. Harbs should've been a decade guy. It's b******t that the FO and him can't get on the same page.

Wait about 3 years down the road and we'll have a good idea of who was more to blame. If Harbaugh goes somewhere else and we hear rumors about him having trouble dealing with the front office or players checking out.....etc, it'll become pretty evident what the issue was. On the other hand, if he has tremendous success there without any issues seemingly being present and everything is harmonious and happy-doo-dah, then its a sign that this front office was probably too overbearing.

yeah from reports, Harbaugh is the difficult one. Might very well be the other way around but thats not how the media is portraying it. I mean it would be ridiculous to suggest the niners get rid of the FO and keep Harbaugh which is why there is only one direction to go with this.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Just leave the D alone and I'm all good.

I hear you and I think that's the problem with Tomsula. You take a guy who works for Fangio and make him HC and you expect Fangio to hang around as the DC? I don't think so. The only way I think you can keep Fangio and his group in place is to bring in an experienced HC who Fangio respects.

or make Fangio the HC and still have his hand in the defense.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

I believe they did ask him to dial down and he's been much calmer on the sidelines this year. The issues seem to be his siding with players and being confrontational with the front office. Even his press conferences have been less confrontational. May be too little too late?

I just feel we are doing the rest of the league a huge favor blowing this up. Oh well, let's hope we find our belichick to follow up carroll, like the pats did in 2000.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Heisenberg:
First off that s**t was almost 10 years ago and he had a top passer as a QB (keyword top passer) in Matt Hasselbeck. Holmgren would be working with a QB he's not used to working with in a scrambling weak pocket passer QB in Colin Kaepernick. Time to move on.

Yeah holmgren never had any experience with a running qb (young '87-91) or a young strong armed unorthodox qb (Favre 92-98). Young & Favre were considered everything you just called colin when he came into the league.

LOL @ the Kaepernick to Young and Favre comparisons. For one, Kaepernick is nowhere near the pocket passer Young and Favre were, Holmgren's offense also includes the QB to have good footwork, because we all know how important 3,5 and 7 step drops coordinate with a receivers route in a WCO, Kaepernicks footwork needs lots of work.

Oh yah, and it was decades ago that Holmgren worked with Young and Favre, time has moved on and so has the NFL. I'd bet what I have that Holmgren and Kaepernick could no co-exist due to the heavy WCO influnence and preference of QB's that Holmgren is use to. Kaepernick would be on a REAL SHORT leash is Holmgren was the HC.

You know, if Urban Meyer & Ohio State ends up winning the College Football National Championship, I woud not be surprise if Eddie D sends his newphew to Youngstown Ohio and talk to Urban about being our next HC..

Can you imagine, Urban Meyer in SF?

His first move will be to sign Tim Tebow to compete with Kaep..

Originally posted by Niners816:
I just feel we are doing the rest of the league a huge favor blowing this up. Oh well, let's hope we find our belichick to follow up carroll, like the pats did in 2000.

Yeah, it is a shame how everything is turning out. Hope it isn't too long before we're back in the playoffs with the new coaching staff and player turnover.

Originally posted by Heisenberg:

LOL @ the Kaepernick to Young and Favre comparisons. For one, Kaepernick is nowhere near the pocket passer Young and Favre were, Holmgren's offense also includes the QB to have good footwork, because we all know how important 3,5 and 7 step drops coordinate with a receivers route in a WCO, Kaepernicks footwork needs lots of work.

Oh yah, and it was decades ago that Holmgren worked with Young and Favre, time has moved on and so has the NFL. I'd bet what I have that Holmgren and Kaepernick could no co-exist due to the heavy WCO influnence and preference of QB's that Holmgren is use to. Kaepernick would be on a REAL SHORT leash is Holmgren was the HC.

Your wrong, 1987 steve young was considered a big draft bust run first terrible pocket passer with a career comp% around 54%. He was able to right his career with the help of fabulous coaching both at the coodinator level and HC level.

Both young and Favre where every bit as raw as kap is considered in terms of talent. Holmgren model the first two, I imagine he would do very well with kap.

No matter who replaces Harbs, they are going to be under a lot of pressure to maintain the success the 49ers have had over the last three years by the media and an idiotic, aspergers fanbase that doesn't expect anything less than a super bowl appearance and an undefeated season with an average margin of victory by 3 scores. The QB must also play like Young and Montana before him.*




*ok slight exaggeration.