SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 16)

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Could you dig up our scoring ranks by quarter for the last two seasons? Curious to see how we've been historically.

I'd imagine we were probably at least 15-20th at worst for 3rd and 4th quarters.

Sure thing. Here's what I found:

2011

1st quarter -- 3.7 (22nd)
2nd quarter --7.1 (t-11th)
3rd quarter -- 6.2 (6th)
4th quarter -- 7.1 (8th)

2012

1st quarter -- 3.6 (t-21st)
2nd quarter --7.8 (8th)
3rd quarter -- 6.3 (t-4th)
4th quarter -- 8.4 (5th)

2013

1st quarter -- 5.9 (4th)
2nd quarter --7.5 (t-12th)
3rd quarter -- 4.5 (22nd)
4th quarter -- 6.8 (15th)

2014

1st quarter -- 5.7 (t-5th)
2nd quarter --7.7 (9th)
3rd quarter -- 3.3 (26th)
4th quarter -- 2.2 (32nd)

In 2011 and 2012, we started slow in 1st quarters, but were good the rest of the game. 2013 we started fast, but slowed down in the 2nd half. 2014 we start fast, and completely fall off the cliff in the 2nd half. I don't know what to make of these stats, but they are what they are.

Thanks SK.

I remember those early Kap games in 2012, sometimes we had to wait awhile to score points (Miami, the last Arizona game). But usually we were rewarded with scoring at some point.

In a weird way you can say the 4th year of this offense combined with the talents we have means we can put together a game plan to dominate out of the gate, but the predictability has stymied us from doing much more than that.

The difference is Alex Smith vs Colin Kaepernick!

Alex Smith in this team, with this offense would be 12-4 or 11-5 at worse. I mean Smiths last year starting in 2012 was working out to be epic
10 Games
7-2-1
153 for 218, 70.18 comp %
1737 yards 13 TDs 5 INTs 104.1 QB rating
His last game and a half he was 25 for 27 for 4 TDs. When teams would stack the box vs the run, Smith would audible to the vernon seam route. When the safties didn't have a 10 yard cushion vs VD it just looked easy.

Colin Kaepernick has taken a huge step backwards. I think that kind of goes to show that his success was more because of the team around him and not because of his skill. He's missed wide open WRs, held on to the ball too long, and panicked under pressure. When teams stack the box and go all out vs the run, Kaep does not adjust. He does not audible, he doesn't change the play at the line of scrimmage, he can not adjust.

I am not a fan of Greg Roman. But the more we've lost, the more I've shifted blame from Roman to Kaep. When roman calls the play, Kaep has 2 options, pass or run. When Kaep gets to the line of scrimmage, there's no Roman in his head, it's him vs the defense. He isn't reading the defenses alignment correctly. He isn't adjusting to safeties coming into the box. He isn't beating the blitz. When a team blitzes, that leaves 1 or more areas wide open. Which is odd because he used to do great vs the blitz.

Is all hope lost for Kaepernicks future?
I don't know, but he needs to get his head out of his ass. But one thing is for dam sure, Kaepernick is no Philip Rivers! Rivers is an elite QB and I wish we had him.

Btw, I just re watched the 4th quarter on NFL network. The last drive the niners had to set up the FG try, Kaep missed badly a few times. The worse was by far the second to last pass to Boldin. Boldin was wide open on the side line, Kaep missed badly! Boldin could of easily made it to at least the 40 yard line.

I would have to say that loss was the worst of the season for me. I knew we were already eliminated from the playoffs but squandering a 21 point lead and playing well on both sides of the ball hurt. I know we had tons on injuries and there were players on the field that I have not seen other than on the practice field, but c'mon man.

Originally posted by 9inermaniac:

I would have to say that loss was the worst of the season for me. I knew we were already eliminated from the playoffs but squandering a 21 point lead and playing well on both sides of the ball hurt. I know we had tons on injuries and there were players on the field that I have not seen other than on the practice field, but c'mon man.

Yeah, that really was a disappointment. We were outplaying them in every facet of the game. I can only imagine what the players were thinking after that. What a let down...things will get better. They have to.

Who cares, we're out of the playoffs and have a ton of players hurt.

The fourth quarter is when the offense has to find a way to move the ball, Regardless of what they've done early in the game. There is little pressure on Kap in the early goings. He has consistently, time and time again, game after game, been unable to take control of the game and make the plays when the pressure is on. You can't continually go three and out in the fourth quarter no matter how many points you've scored earlier in the game. The cliche, "you win the game in the fourth quarter," is real. The bettor quarterbacks find a way to step it up late in the game. It is looking more and more like Kap does not have this most important quality.

Originally posted by trooper49:
The fourth quarter is when the offense has to find a way to move the ball, Regardless of what they've done early in the game. There is little pressure on Kap in the early goings. He has consistently, time and time again, game after game, been unable to take control of the game and make the plays when the pressure is on. You can't continually go three and out in the fourth quarter no matter how many points you've scored earlier in the game. The cliche, "you win the game in the fourth quarter," is real. The bettor quarterbacks find a way to step it up late in the game. It is looking more and more like Kap does not have this most important quality.

And yet once again we see Kap making excuses. Did you watch the postgame presser ? He goes, to be honest it wasn't so much about the 4th quarter, but the mistakes made before. He even threw Miller under the bus when he cited the fumble at the goal line as an example. The truth is he can't handle the pressure, can't score in the red zone, can't score in the 4th quarter, you name it. I am just sick and tired of it. Just how the heck can you lose a game when you are 21 points up is just beyond me ?! Is just pure embarrassing !! Seriously, we are becoming a laughing stock.

Without Reid we have a huge hole in the middle of the field and Rivers found it every time, don't hate on Kap he is going to be fine, the injuries are unbelievable and its every game, I think three successful years with deep playoff runs has a lot to do with it.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Kap still needs to develope. That is obvious. I can't believe the way he fumbled. The ball was a foot and a half away from his body. There was no way not to fumble. He was being grabbed by multiple players and didn't secure the ball as he tried to get away. Big mistake.

That being said he didn't lose this game. Not even close. Our defense has been held together by chicken wire all season and for the most part did far better than we could have hoped but against the chargers it was too much. On top of everything else losing Borland and Raymac and then Reid and Cox during the game. Come on. I chalk this loss up to a snakebit year. We lost 4 players last week to injury, another during the week (RayMac) and a couple more in this game. Are you kidding me?

Then we have 2 TD passes called back on penalty. There were what , 4 fumbles in the game and they recovered all of them. We didn't have a legit shot at any of them. The ball just bounced their way every time. Everything considered Kap had a pretty good game. What would Rivers have looked like if his teammates fumbled away a couple of possessions and he had 2 td passes called back including a 60 plus yarder? He would have lost by double digits and never even made it to overtime. In spite of everything Kap had us moving towards the game winner in OT when we fumbled again. And that is after he drove us down in regulation to give Dawson a chance to win it with a 60 yard FG attempt. Something Dawson is capable of doing but he just didn't get all of it when he kicked it.

Kap has been dissapointing at times this season but this game wasn't one of them. He outplayed Rivers.

This just is not our season and if it weren't for bad luck we wouldn't have any luck at all this year.

OK, I agree the D could have played better. But, I am not going to lay it on them. Why ? At the very least they had 3 INTs and one of them was a pick 6.

I guess you must be looking at the same 3 INTs to say Kap outplayed Rivers.

But, come on as bad as Rivers was with the 3 picks, the dude threw for 354 yards and 4 TDs to come back from behind, man !! Seriously, you have to give the man some credit.

And where was Kap's passing ? 114 yards. Only 114 yards for the entire game, it isn't even funny !!

Rivers threw for 3 picks. He had great protection all day even when we blitzed. He was also going up against a depleted secondary. 3 back up LB's, Brock, Ward, Cox, Reid all out. We had 2 CB's on the field who were not even on the team a few weeks ago. Tons of time and poor cover guys. Guys like moody, Wilhoite and Dahl trying to cover Antonio Gates and a couple of CB's thrown on to the team last minute trying to cover their receivers. Even with all the injuries we were doing pretty good until Cox and Reid went out and then the wheels came off. That and no pass rush is a recipe for any QB to blow you up with numbers.

Kap was under real good pressure. Open recievers didn't come easy. He made a lot of great plays. Had 2 big TD passes called back. Had 2 more great drives killed by fumbles. Ran for over a 100 yards and a TD. Take away the fumbles - Rivers teammates didn't fumble, and give him back his 2 TD passes - Rivers didn't have any TD's called back and Kap's performance is bigger and that's going up against better coverage with far less time to throw. Kap's had some bad games, especially this season , but this wasn't one of them. We scored 4 TD's on offense, had 2 TD passes called back, fumbled inside the opponents 5 yard line to kill another drive just in regulation. How much more can you ask?

Give Rivers a little bit of credit but most QB's would have chewed us up in this game. This never ending supply of injuries was just too much to overcome.

If you count the nickel CB as a starter then 8 of our 12 starters were out on defense. EIGHT! If that were not bad enough many of their key back-ups were out as well including players like Borland and Cox who were playing well.

When is the last time our offense, with a lead in the fourth quarter and an opportunity to put the game away, put together a drive and scored a touchdown?

To be honest I can't recall. I wonder if we did that even once all season. It seems to me that every game our defense is trying to hold on for dear life late in the game with no help from the offense,

Originally posted by 9inermaniac:
I would have to say that loss was the worst of the season for me. I knew we were already eliminated from the playoffs but squandering a 21 point lead and playing well on both sides of the ball hurt. I know we had tons on injuries and there were players on the field that I have not seen other than on the practice field, but c'mon man.

maniac, sad to say, said nothing wrong. there is nothing more that needs to be said. new coaches,energy, direction, leadership and some new players are needed

Don't worry guys, one more game and we'll have a whole new coaching staff to scrutinize.

Originally posted by trooper49:
When is the last time our offense, with a lead in the fourth quarter and an opportunity to put the game away, put together a drive and scored a touchdown?

To be honest I can't recall. I wonder if we did that even once all season. It seems to me that every game our defense is trying to hold on for dear life late in the game with no help from the offense,

lost five leads at half time,, terrible. we used to impose our will on teams, we used to finish strong. when we were up by two scores in the second half, we were nearly impossible to beat.. used to be's

Originally posted by mayo49:
Don't worry guys, one more game and we'll have a whole new coaching staff to scrutinize.

the only thing , aside from rathman, i would keep is your penis but only because we have a longer history with it than we do with jh and roman

On the bright side we get an extra day before the last game

Should I do a Black Monday Countdown?