SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 16)

Originally posted by Phil:
But they ran him on third down so its Harbaughs fault. LOL. I still wouldn't put this game totally on Kap. There was a couple BAD penalties, the D did give in and ya, Kap screwed up on a few key plays that really hurt.

I don't see why it matters. The actual games that mattered were the Bears, Rams, Hawks and Raiders losses. Those are the games that ejected us from the playoffs. Kap had 11 turnovers and 3 TD's with an average QBR of 60 in those 4 losses. OUCH!!

Kap could have come out to ought and thrown for 500 yards and 5 passing TD's and there would still be a question of consistency. He can run though. Great runner. But at what cost?

Well, all you have to do is look at 15 of 24 passing for 114 yards. 114 yards, man !! For the whole frigging game !!

But ya, why we can't score a passing TD in the fourth quarter is beyond my senses. I don't know if its because our RB's are gassed? If defenses pick up on our tendencies? If Kap has some sort of psychological block? If Harbaugh is just a raging idiot? Don't know.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Phil:

But they ran him on third down so its Harbaughs fault. LOL. I still wouldn't put this game totally on Kap. There was a couple BAD penalties, the D did give in and ya, Kap screwed up on a few key plays that really hurt.

I don't see why it matters. The actual games that mattered were the Bears, Rams, Hawks and Raiders losses. Those are the games that ejected us from the playoffs. Kap had 11 turnovers and 3 TD's with an average QBR of 60 in those 4 losses. OUCH!!

Kap could have come out to ought and thrown for 500 yards and 5 passing TD's and there would still be a question of consistency. He can run though. Great runner. But at what cost?

Well, all you have to do is look at 15 of 24 passing for 114 yards. 114 yards, man !! For the whole frigging game !!

It's not good. The runs were chuck yardage as well. Not good at all. But I don't think it really matters.... at least not to me. I'm already convinced Kap has some major issues in the passing game. My point was a 500 yard 5 passing TD performance wouldn't have changed much. The season was tanked already.

I guess Kaepernick could use a lights out passing game next week but I still don't think it matters either way. The damage has been done. I just don't want to see any major injuries and I kinda hope we lose for better draft position. A couple spots can make a big difference.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, all you have to do is look at 15 of 24 passing for 114 yards. 114 yards, man !! For the whole frigging game !!

yeah lets not factor in 150 yards rushing by Kap

Actually, a fumble they recovered Boldin was in position to get it and he was literally held then tackled. s**t was blatant.

Originally posted by MC9BEAT:
Kap still needs to develope. That is obvious. I can't believe the way he fumbled. The ball was a foot and a half away from his body. There was no way not to fumble. He was being grabbed by multiple players and didn't secure the ball as he tried to get away. Big mistake.

That being said he didn't lose this game. Not even close. Our defense has been held together by chicken wire all season and for the most part did far better than we could have hoped but against the chargers it was too much. On top of everything else losing Borland and Raymac and then Reid and Cox during the game. Come on. I chalk this loss up to a snakebit year. We lost 4 players last week to injury, another during the week (RayMac) and a couple more in this game. Are you kidding me?

Then we have 2 TD passes called back on penalty. There were what , 4 fumbles in the game and they recovered all of them. We didn't have a legit shot at any of them. The ball just bounced their way every time. Everything considered Kap had a pretty good game. What would Rivers have looked like if his teammates fumbled away a couple of possessions and he had 2 td passes called back including a 60 plus yarder? He would have lost by double digits and never even made it to overtime. In spite of everything Kap had us moving towards the game winner in OT when we fumbled again. And that is after he drove us down in regulation to give Dawson a chance to win it with a 60 yard FG attempt. Something Dawson is capable of doing but he just didn't get all of it when he kicked it.

Kap has been dissapointing at times this season but this game wasn't one of them. He outplayed Rivers.

This just is not our season and if it weren't for bad luck we wouldn't have any luck at all this year.

OK, I agree the D could have played better. But, I am not going to lay it on them. Why ? At the very least they had 3 INTs and one of them was a pick 6.

I guess you must be looking at the same 3 INTs to say Kap outplayed Rivers.

But, come on as bad as Rivers was with the 3 picks, the dude threw for 354 yards and 4 TDs to come back from behind, man !! Seriously, you have to give the man some credit.

And where was Kap's passing ? 114 yards. Only 114 yards for the entire game, it isn't even funny !!

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, all you have to do is look at 15 of 24 passing for 114 yards. 114 yards, man !! For the whole frigging game !!

yeah lets not factor in 150 yards rushing by Kap

90 of the 150 yards was that long TD run. And pleaseeeee, that merely made up for his fxxking stupid fumble TD.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I'm still waiting on the explanation on how scheme changed in this particular game, late in the game. We were running the ball a ton With Gore all game, and kept running it it late, rightfully so. Most of Kaps yards came from not designated runs but broken pass plays there were lanes for. That didn't change. We barely tried any deep balls- I think there were two max-all game.

Majority of the game we ran the ball out of power formations and passes it to move the chains. That was true for the entire game.

So please enlighten me how the scheme changed midgame or in the fourth quarter.

It didn't change, and there-in lies one of the many problems we have. This team is unable to make adjustments mid-game. The initial gameplan is fine, but gets picked apart as the game goes on. We've seen it time and time again. We come out looking solid in the 1st half, other team adjusts, and we're f**ked. Indicative of a coaching staff that is losing the chess game. Bill Walsh always talked about being a step ahead. Predict how your opponents will react to what you're doing, and then go for the kill. It's about manipulating the opponent.

San Diego made their adjustments. They shut down our running game in the 2nd half, and they were all over the play-action fakes that were so effective in the 1st half. We had no answer for it. This season whether we go power run, or spread, it didn't matter. We simply cannot respond with a counter to the other team's adjustments.

Check out our scoring by quarter, followed by the league rank:

1st quarter -- 5.7 (t-5th)
2nd quarter --7.7 (9th)
3rd quarter -- 3.3 (26th)
4th quarter -- 2.2 (32nd)

We get progressively worse as the games go on. Averaging 13.4 points in the 1st half, which is awesome. Followed by 5.5 points in the second half, which is laughably awful. We're getting outcoached and outplayed in the second half of ballgames, plain and simple.

Could you dig up our scoring ranks by quarter for the last two seasons? Curious to see how we've been historically.

I'd imagine we were probably at least 15-20th at worst for 3rd and 4th quarters.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, all you have to do is look at 15 of 24 passing for 114 yards. 114 yards, man !! For the whole frigging game !!

yeah lets not factor in 150 yards rushing by Kap

90 of the 150 yards was that long TD run. And pleaseeeee, that merely made up for his fxxking stupid fumble TD.

yeah lets just forget 150 yards rushing and a TD

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
So many here are asking why Kap hasn't progressed. He's still the same QB that helped take us to the SB. The only difference is that defenses have found his weakness and taken away his strength. The Redskins, Seahawks, Rams and every team we've played play the exact same defense, stuff the box and make him a pocket passer. Every game is like a carbon copy with Kap trying to avoid the rush and being sacked.

He is a thrower not a passer. Watch how Rivers led his receivers and threw the ball before the break. These skills can't be taught, and I have to agree with one of the comments made on the Zone that Kap is similar Vince Young.

I can't believe you want to compare Rivers performance to Kap's this game. I mean did you not see the type of protection he was getting? We didn't get to him all night, yet he found a way to throw 3 INTs....One returned for a TD.

I wish Kap could get just half of that amount of time.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Could you dig up our scoring ranks by quarter for the last two seasons? Curious to see how we've been historically.

I'd imagine we were probably at least 15-20th at worst for 3rd and 4th quarters.

Sure thing. Here's what I found:

2011

1st quarter -- 3.7 (22nd)
2nd quarter --7.1 (t-11th)
3rd quarter -- 6.2 (6th)
4th quarter -- 7.1 (8th)

2012

1st quarter -- 3.6 (t-21st)
2nd quarter --7.8 (8th)
3rd quarter -- 6.3 (t-4th)
4th quarter -- 8.4 (5th)

2013

1st quarter -- 5.9 (4th)
2nd quarter --7.5 (t-12th)
3rd quarter -- 4.5 (22nd)
4th quarter -- 6.8 (15th)

2014

1st quarter -- 5.7 (t-5th)
2nd quarter --7.7 (9th)
3rd quarter -- 3.3 (26th)
4th quarter -- 2.2 (32nd)

In 2011 and 2012, we started slow in 1st quarters, but were good the rest of the game. 2013 we started fast, but slowed down in the 2nd half. 2014 we start fast, and completely fall off the cliff in the 2nd half. I don't know what to make of these stats, but they are what they are.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I can't believe you want to compare Rivers performance to Kap's this game. I mean did you not see the type of protection he was getting? We didn't get to him all night, yet he found a way to throw 3 INTs....One returned for a TD.

I wish Kap could get just half of that amount of time.

If you can't work off play action with 355 yards rushing something is wrong.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Could you dig up our scoring ranks by quarter for the last two seasons? Curious to see how we've been historically.

I'd imagine we were probably at least 15-20th at worst for 3rd and 4th quarters.

Sure thing. Here's what I found:

2011

1st quarter -- 3.7 (22nd)
2nd quarter --7.1 (t-11th)
3rd quarter -- 6.2 (6th)
4th quarter -- 7.1 (8th)

2012

1st quarter -- 3.6 (t-21st)
2nd quarter --7.8 (8th)
3rd quarter -- 6.3 (t-4th)
4th quarter -- 8.4 (5th)

2013

1st quarter -- 5.9 (4th)
2nd quarter --7.5 (t-12th)
3rd quarter -- 4.5 (22nd)
4th quarter -- 6.8 (15th)

2014

1st quarter -- 5.7 (t-5th)
2nd quarter --7.7 (9th)
3rd quarter -- 3.3 (26th)
4th quarter -- 2.2 (32nd)

In 2011 and 2012, we started slow in 1st quarters, but were good the rest of the game. 2013 we started fast, but slowed down in the 2nd half. 2014 we start fast, and completely fall off the cliff in the 2nd half. I don't know what to make of these stats, but they are what they are.

Thanks SK.

I remember those early Kap games in 2012, sometimes we had to wait awhile to score points (Miami, the last Arizona game). But usually we were rewarded with scoring at some point.

In a weird way you can say the 4th year of this offense combined with the talents we have means we can put together a game plan to dominate out of the gate, but the predictability has stymied us from doing much more than that.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Could you dig up our scoring ranks by quarter for the last two seasons? Curious to see how we've been historically.

I'd imagine we were probably at least 15-20th at worst for 3rd and 4th quarters.

Sure thing. Here's what I found:

2011

1st quarter -- 3.7 (22nd)
2nd quarter --7.1 (t-11th)
3rd quarter -- 6.2 (6th)
4th quarter -- 7.1 (8th)

2012

1st quarter -- 3.6 (t-21st)
2nd quarter --7.8 (8th)
3rd quarter -- 6.3 (t-4th)
4th quarter -- 8.4 (5th)

2013

1st quarter -- 5.9 (4th)
2nd quarter --7.5 (t-12th)
3rd quarter -- 4.5 (22nd)
4th quarter -- 6.8 (15th)

2014

1st quarter -- 5.7 (t-5th)
2nd quarter --7.7 (9th)
3rd quarter -- 3.3 (26th)
4th quarter -- 2.2 (32nd)

In 2011 and 2012, we started slow in 1st quarters, but were good the rest of the game. 2013 we started fast, but slowed down in the 2nd half. 2014 we start fast, and completely fall off the cliff in the 2nd half. I don't know what to make of these stats, but they are what they are.

Thanks SK.

I remember those early Kap games in 2012, sometimes we had to wait awhile to score points (Miami, the last Arizona game). But usually we were rewarded with scoring at some point.

In a weird way you can say the 4th year of this offense combined with the talents we have means we can put together a game plan to dominate out of the gate, but the predictability has stymied us from doing much more than that.

Np man. It certainly seems that way. It's puzzling why we struggle to score points in the 2nd half with the talent we have. It could be the players, but its hard to believe their individual performance declines at such a fast rate, and so consistently each and every week. To me, it's opposing coaching staffs doing a better job of in-game adjustments than we do.

Go, Niners, go!