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Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Kap played worse than his numbers indicated today. 2 damn slow. That's all. Fumbling at the 2 was inept, whether he was over the line or not. Impossible to tell. The last quarter was pretty sad. We need a change....somewhere. I think our O is the worst in the league, or next to worst.

It starts with the o-line and goes out from there. Look at Dallas, they've had one of the worst o-lines the last few years and they finally build it up and now they can play pretty solid football. The Niners o-line was a mess today which has a trickle down effect.

The coaches go in with a certain game plan thinking their players can play at a baseline level. The o-line played far below what should be expected of them and that hampered the offense as a whole. To add insult to injury, Kap didn't play well either and it appeared the coaching staff was reluctant to adjust to what was happening on the field.

I'll be very, very interested to see what THL and Johnnydel have to say about this game.

The Rams were getting there around 3+ seconds, maybe even 1 or 2 of those sacks under 3. You can't game plan for the hot start they had. People forget the defense game plans too. They see we are an intermediate/deeper passing team and that takes a good 3+ seconds and starting a rookie center? What do you THINK the game plan will be? Bring the house, run blitz circa 2010, contain CK and press the WR's. At some point, you need to make an in game adjustment and start throwing nothing but quick slants, drag routes, screens, drop the TE's down in soft zones (did McDonal/VD play today?), flare out the RB's like the nice read CK saw on their blitz where he instantly hit Gore in the flat, bunch formation screens, etc...get CK out on the roll-outs and give him multiple layers of receiving options...make him force the defender to declare and then either pass or run. There a lot of things an offensive staff can do to save an outnumbered OL and a pressed QB trying to buy time to allow the deeper routes to open. To give you an example, the Denver game, b/c we sat back and dropped 8, Manning threw every pass save for one under 3 seconds. So scheme can be just as critical. The Rams got their only TD by dragging their best WR across the formation and getting isolation on Borland. Well done. That's scheme and that's a mismatch. That's 7.
Originally posted by crabman82:
only thing we're being robbed of is watching good quality football

So true.
Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Bogert that dumb ref who robbed us in the SB was officiating....what'd yall expect?

This... honestly I think Crabtree's catch was over the line and I think Kaepernick was over the line before he fumbled. Like you guys said though a lot more wrong than the refs with this team. Injuries, coaches, stupidity from coaches and players, the list goes on and on. Edit: To be fair I should say the Rams lost a TD because of the refs too and they got some against them. But 7 points for them, probably 9 should have been for us (with the safety)
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM ]
The Refs didn't shank a 20 yard punt.
The 49ers got robbed by the refs. The offense and coaches robbed everyone that wanted them to win.
Blaming the refs is a bunch of crap. The blame falls on the team, coaches and players. They had two weeks to prepare for a team they had beaten only a couple weeks earlier. Two weeks and this is what they came up with. Don't look outside the organization for the key to why they lost the game, look inside the club. It shouldn't have come down to a play here or a play there. They should have been well ahead of the Rams early on. Two weeks to figure out a way to blow up an inferior opponent that we know very well. Blame the coaches, not the refs...
Originally posted by NCommand:
The Rams were getting there around 3+ seconds, maybe even 1 or 2 of those sacks under 3. You can't game plan for the hot start they had. People forget the defense game plans too. They see we are an intermediate/deeper passing team and that takes a good 3+ seconds and starting a rookie center? What do you THINK the game plan will be? Bring the house, run blitz circa 2010, contain CK and press the WR's. At some point, you need to make an in game adjustment and start throwing nothing but quick slants, drag routes, screens, drop the TE's down in soft zones (did McDonal/VD play today?), flare out the RB's like the nice read CK saw on their blitz where he instantly hit Gore in the flat, bunch formation screens, etc...get CK out on the roll-outs and give him multiple layers of receiving options...make him force the defender to declare and then either pass or run. There a lot of things an offensive staff can do to save an outnumbered OL and a pressed QB trying to buy time to allow the deeper routes to open. To give you an example, the Denver game, b/c we sat back and dropped 8, Manning threw every pass save for one under 3 seconds. So scheme can be just as critical. The Rams got their only TD by dragging their best WR across the formation and getting isolation on Borland. Well done. That's scheme and that's a mismatch. That's 7.

To be fair that TD was a result of a blown coverage by Borland and not really anything spectacular the Rams did. Check that play out again, Borland completely bails on his coverage assignment.
Originally posted by JoeBart324:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The Rams were getting there around 3+ seconds, maybe even 1 or 2 of those sacks under 3. You can't game plan for the hot start they had. People forget the defense game plans too. They see we are an intermediate/deeper passing team and that takes a good 3+ seconds and starting a rookie center? What do you THINK the game plan will be? Bring the house, run blitz circa 2010, contain CK and press the WR's. At some point, you need to make an in game adjustment and start throwing nothing but quick slants, drag routes, screens, drop the TE's down in soft zones (did McDonal/VD play today?), flare out the RB's like the nice read CK saw on their blitz where he instantly hit Gore in the flat, bunch formation screens, etc...get CK out on the roll-outs and give him multiple layers of receiving options...make him force the defender to declare and then either pass or run. There a lot of things an offensive staff can do to save an outnumbered OL and a pressed QB trying to buy time to allow the deeper routes to open. To give you an example, the Denver game, b/c we sat back and dropped 8, Manning threw every pass save for one under 3 seconds. So scheme can be just as critical. The Rams got their only TD by dragging their best WR across the formation and getting isolation on Borland. Well done. That's scheme and that's a mismatch. That's 7.

To be fair that TD was a result of a blown coverage by Borland and not really anything spectacular the Rams did. Check that play out again, Borland completely bails on his coverage assignment.

Oh I agree 100%! The point was that they isolated a rookie ILB on their best WR coming across the formation at full speed. Borland had no chance at all even if he had recognized it out of the gate. Denver did the same two weeks ago. Without a chuck or jam press, I don't even think Willis/Bowman can keep up with a teams #1 WR sprinting across the field and then down the sideline. That's a tall order that the scheme draws upon.
Anyone blaming Kap for today is really missing the forest for the trees. He missed a couple of throws, but the OL and OC had their fingerprints all over this game. Absolutely no reason for them to get b***hwhipped up front like they did repeatedly, and watching our OC fail to adjust was even worse. When they are bringing the house every other play, might be a good time to mix in this thing called a screen pass instead of calling for slow developing dropback plays.

Kap had no chances on those sacks today. None of them were coverage sacks. They were straight nano blitzes right up the gut most often. No QB in the league could have avoided those sacks today.
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Anyone blaming Kap for today is really missing the forest for the trees. He missed a couple of throws, but the OL and OC had their fingerprints all over this game. Absolutely no reason for them to get b***hwhipped up front like they did repeatedly, and watching our OC fail to adjust was even worse. When they are bringing the house every other play, might be a good time to mix in this thing called a screen pass instead of calling for slow developing dropback plays.

Kap had no chances on those sacks today. None of them were coverage sacks. They were straight nano blitzes right up the gut most often. No QB in the league could have avoided those sacks today.

If this were true, the Rams would blitz like that every snap and win every game against every team. I agree that the offense completely failed to adjust, but Kap was part of that. He needs to recognize that the heat is coming and either get rid of it faster or find his way out of the pocket.
[ Edited by VinculumJuris on Nov 2, 2014 at 8:02 PM ]
Originally posted by NCommand:
Oh I agree 100%! The point was that they isolated a rookie ILB on their best WR coming across the formation at full speed. Borland had no chance at all even if he had recognized it out of the gate. Denver did the same two weeks ago. Without a chuck or jam press, I don't even think Willis/Bowman can keep up with a teams #1 WR sprinting across the field and then down the sideline. That's a tall order that the scheme draws upon.

It was some sort of zone coverage though. This wasn't a play that isolated a receiver on a linebacker. I don't have it on DVR so I can't go back and look at it but if I recall correctly the CB (Cox I think) passess off the WR to Borland who literally just watches him go by. It may have been some kind of pattern match but I couldn't see where all the other players were. In any case, I think Borland was supposed to run with the receiver for a bit to at least give the illusion of coverage or to be in the vicinity in case the ball is thrown.

A jam press does absolutely nothing in this situation.The receiver would have fought off the jam which only lasts a half second or so and would have still ran by Borland, who was just staring at something in the backfield.
  • THEB
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Here is video of the Crabtree play from NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000421866/Instant-Replay-Crabtree-catch

Doesnt at all look like he bobbled it. Even if he did, he is clearly 100% out of bounds with 40 seconds left on the clock. The defender clearly jumped over him without ever touching him once
[ Edited by THEB on Nov 2, 2014 at 10:39 PM ]
how come it wasn't challenged?


BTW, we deserved to lose. This is a pos team. SMH. The SF Giants get it done on the diamond, but this sorry f**king team always find a way to lose during the big moment. I will always love this team but seeing this team waste its talent is WORSE than 2003-2010. They should know better by now....
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
If this were true, the Rams would blitz like that every snap and win every game against every team. I agree that the offense completely failed to adjust, but Kap was part of that. He needs to recognize that the heat is coming and either get rid of it faster or find his way out of the pocket.

i agree with this. Even though the pocket collasped very fast, kap made some stupid maneuvering in the pocket.
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Originally posted by THEB:
Yes, we played like s**t, but we still should have won, and here is why



How was this ruled a catch but not a touchdown? The tip of the ball broke the line and 1 knee=2 feet. We didn't lose this game. The refs won it for the rams. Once that ball breaks the plane of the endzone, its a touchdown, as long as they confirm that he kept control of the ball through the catch (He did according to them) Then how is this NOT a touchdown?

When a team plays well, they don't have to worry about officials missing a call.

In this case, Kaepernick had time to lay the ball in where it would have been a walk-in TD. Instead, the ball was low and late and it left it up to the refs. It should not have come to that.
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