2014 Team Needs - Updates | Page 26

NCommand · 2014-02-21T09:05:24-08:00

FYI: For 2013 Front Office moves: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/171861-2013-team-needs-updates/ Trent Baalke on... Free Agency - "We've never been big players in the early part of free agency. This year is no different. We feel good about the football team that we have. There are things we know we need to address and we will address." Personnel/Cap Management - Trent Baalke said. "This move (on Kilgore's extension) is another example of our philosophy to extend the contracts of our own young players." Indeed, the 49ers have a history of signing promising backups to extensions before they step into starting roles. In December 2011, they worked out an extension with right guard Alex Boone, who has started the past two seasons. In March, they extended nose guard Ian Williams, who started the first two games in 2013 before he sustained a broken ankle. In November, they signed cornerback Tramaine Brock to a four-year, $16 million extension. Brock assumed a starting role near the end of the regular season. Drafting/Player Evaluation - One of Baalke's favorite books, "Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking" by Malcolm Gladwell, helped the 49ers lead personnel man's approach to recent drafts, including the decision to select (Eric) Reid. Baalke explained the book's role in his draft evaluation process."The first time you look at a player, you're usually right," the general manager said. "Your gut is usually right. Through the process, you gather more and more information and you watch more and more film. And sometimes the process is so long and it's drawn out another two weeks that you end up talking yourself out of that first impression. So I always go back to the book. If you've read it, you understand where I'm coming from. And if you haven't, you should. It's a great book." Year-round Planning - This is simply how the 49ers operate (re: the Draft board 65% done by March 1st) in "offseason" mode. Preparations are year-round, leaving little room for sudden alterations. This is an excellent article for how this FO also prepared for CK's cap hit as well: Read more at http://sfo.scout.com/2/1381221.html Paraag Marathe on... Contract Negotiation Philosophy - "Both sides in a contract negotiation, both sides are using analytics and data to help support -- it's confirmation bias to the max, everybody's trying to find evidence that supports whatever theory or contract demand they want to make," he said. "They can cut it and slice it in a lot of ways that help you. "Here's one that may not help them as much (on ESPN the Magazine article noting CK's 54.6% under pressure last season, the worst mark in the NFL. Meanwhile, he was sacked on 20.2% of snaps when under duress, the fourth-worst rate among starters), so that's why I'm looking forward to reading it." Later in the discussion, Marathe was asked more generally about the importance of a quarterback to a team's success. "That's the single biggest differentiator," he said. "If you can get by with average talent, but if you have a superior quarterback, you'll see the best quarterbacks -- the Hall of Fame quarterbacks -- it doesn't matter what kind of talent they have, even if they have really bad talent around them, they're going to finish 7-9 [or] 8-8. They're never going to go 3-13." Jim Harbaugh on... Contract Extensions/Relationship with Baalke/Jed - "I've told my owner I don't want any more power," he said. Harbaugh on Baalke and the amount the talk/communicate: "daily, hourly." "We're both demanding and we want to be accountable for ourselves, for each other," Harbaugh said. "If you haven't had a brother, you probably don't understand the relationship between the GM and the head coach. We're partners on the same team. I have great respect for him. He works extremely hard at it and is very good at it. We are all part of a team. I believe in the structure we have. I don't want to change anything that we do in that regard." Harbaugh, the third highest-paid coach in the NFC West, insisted he's content with his $5 million annual salary...but thetre is no timetable for an extension. "What I do know is this: I make plenty of money," Harbaugh said. "And I don't do five times as much work as any other coach on the staff. I get paid extremely well. Jed York has always been square dealing with me. I don't think about that as an issue I've seen it written like fact: 'Harbaugh wants to be the highest paid coach in football', or 'desperately covets a new contract.' For the record: I make plenty of money. I mean, plenty of money.'" "Zero opportunity or chance of that in my mind (leaving the 49ers)." Losses: Defensive Assistant/Outside Linebackers Coach, Peter Hansen Coaches Tim Drevno & Paul Wulff OL Jonathan Goodwin (35 @ $3.16M) - Cut SS Donte Whitner - Signed with the loser Browns for 4-year, $28M range, per @RapSheet. AB81Rules expected that we'd resign him to a 3-year deal, worth $15M, a $5M base average (good reference for how much the Brown's are getting ripped off). CB Terell Brown - Signed a 1-year $3.5M contract with the loser, Raiders. CB Carlos Rogers - Released and will be completely off the books accounting for an extra $6.6M on June 1st in salary cap relief. Also signed with the loser Raiders (where Niner's go to die - the Black Hole). WR Mario Manningham - Signed with the loser Giants. RB Anthony Dixon - Signed with some loser team like the rest. QB Colt McCoy - Unrestricted and gone (27 @ $1.44M); signed with the Redskins. FB Alex Debniak & WR Brandon Carswell - Cut OLB Darius Fleming, DT Christian Tupou, WR DeMarco Sampson & CB Dax Swanson - Cut CB Eric Wright - Retired G Fou Fonoti - Waived, injured QB Kory Faulkner - Waived WR Jon Baldwin - Waived Morris/Seymour/Winston - Notable losses to the Texans & Browns WILL Aldon Smith - Lost to a 9-game suspension RB LaMichael James - Granted his release DE DeMarcus Dobbs - Waived RB Marcus Lattimore - Retired LDE Ray McDonald - Cut Neutral: ST/WR Kassim Osgood - Will be on-again, off-again for ST needs all year QB Josh Johnson - Will be on-again, off-again for QB needs all year ST/S Bubba Ventrone - Will be on-again, off-again for QB needs all year Gains/Moves: Clubs are permitted to contact and enter into contract negotiations with the agents of players who are scheduled to become unrestricted free agents. No contracts can be signed until March 11 at 1 p.m. (PT). Another great resource for contract details: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/yearly/ 2015 Draft Picks - # 7 inlcuding the 4th back that we lost for Stevie Johnson. 2014 Draft Picks - 11 picks with 6 in the first 100. CB Tramaine Brock - Signed to a 4-year, $16M extension (last 2013 move back in November) WR Jon Baldwin - Base salary in 2014 is now $645k (down from $1.4M). $755 available in (unreachable) incentives. S Craig Dahl - Base salary has been reduced from $1.35M down to $825,000. That would be a $525,000 savings, plus he may have had his $250,000 roster bonus, and $50,000 workout bonus eliminated, which would make the savings as much as $825,000. C Daniel Kilgore - The 49ers signed Kilgore, 26, to 3-year extension today that could keep the 2011 fifth-round pick with the team through 2017. The contract averages $1.8M per season with escalators of $900K available in the last two years, plus $900K in incentives in '17. DK's 2014 base is guaranteed and he also has a separate $600K roster bonus due April 1st, 2015 guaranteed for injury. WR Anquan Boldin - Signed a two-year contract @ $12M with $9M guaranteed. Matt Maiocco: Anquan Boldin's first year cap number is $2.364M. Deal is actually 5 years (for cap reasons) but voids after 2 years. Secondary/Assistant Defensive Coach Ed Donatell - Agreed to a two-year deal. If Donatell signed just a one-year extension, he could have been a candidate for defensive coordinator jobs next year. But the 49ers coveted him and clearly made it worth his while to stick around for the next two years. Defensive Coordinator Vic Fangio - The FO has extended Fangio through 2015. ILB Michael Wilhoite - Exclusive rights (will be back). 13 players signed to reserve/future contracts - Those players include: QB McLeod Bethel-Thompson, RB Jewel Hampton, WR Devon Wylie, WR DeMarco Sampson, WR David Reed, WR Chuck Jacobs, OG Al Netter, OT Carter Bykowski, DT Christian Tupou, NT Mike Purcell, CB Dax Swanson, SS D.J. Campbell & P Colton Schmidt DE Demarcus Dobbs - #49ers expected to place lowest level tender ($1.4M) on RFA defensive end Demarcus Dobbs. First reported by @TomPelissero. K Phil Dawson - AB81Rules projected a 1-year deal, worth $2.5M, with a $1M signing bonus, a $100,000 workout bonus, and a $1.4M base salary. Updating previous reports, San Francisco 49ers PK Phil Dawson received a two-year, $6.134 million deal with a $2 million signing bonus. He receives $3 million in the first year and can earn $25,000 in incentives each year. SS Antoine Bethea - #49ers have reached agreement with Antoine Bethea on a four-year deal worth $21M per MB. Per AB81Rules: 2014- $3M ($1.25M base, $1.25M prorated bonus, $400K roster, and $100K workout)2015- $4.75M ($3M base, $1.25M prorated bonus, $400K roster, and $100K workout)2016- $5.75M ($4M base, $1.25M prorated bonus, $400K roster, and $100K workout)2017- $7M ($5.25M base, $1.25M prorated bonus, $400K roster, and $100K workout). 2014 base is fully guaranteed, 2015 is on signing, becomes fully on April 1 2015. QB Blaine Gabbert - Adam Schefter, Jacksonville traded him to SF for a 6th round pick, per sources @ $2M a year; expected to rework final year of his original contract to, potentially, serve as backup. CB Eric Wright - Resigns to a 1-year contract. Details pending. OT Jonathan Martin - The Dolphins will get a seventh-round pick in 2015 if Martin is on the opening day roster this season. The 49ers play so many six-man O-line sets (used to be Daniel Kilgore's job who is now poised to start at center), so they needed another quality sixth man." He also doubles as our swing-T and will compete with OT Luke Marquardt. CB Chris Cook - As expected, newly added cornerback Chris Cook signed a one-year deal for the league minimum $730,000, according to NFLPA records. He will count $570,000 against the salary cap. CB Chris Culliver - A source told CSNBayArea.com the 49ers plan to enter into talks with Culliver's representation on a contract extension this offseason. Culliver is entering the final season of his rookie deal. FB Bruce Miller - $645,000, along with new base salaries of $1.1 million in 2015, $1.25 million in 2016, and $1.45 million in 2017, he also received a $1.786 million signing bonus.He also is eligible for $160,000 per game roster bonuses in 2015-2017, along with $40,000 workout bonuses in 2015-2017. He also has $200,000 escalators for 2015-2017, base on making the pro bowl the previous year.The 3-year extension is worth $5.4 million. ST/WR Kassim Osgood - Osgood getting $955k base, $20k first game roster bonus. CB Perrish Cox - Has agreed to terms on one-year deal, source said (per MM). WILL Aldon Smith (FYI) - We picked up his 2015 5th-year option, worth $9.754 million, which doesn't hurt the 2014 salary cap in any way. According to MM, with the 5th-year option signed, we have him signed for 2014 and 2015. In short, we don't expect to sign him long-term any time soon. We get him cheaper now for 2 years than if we had signed him to an early LT contract and we always have the option to place the Franchise Tag on him in 2016 & 2017. Technically we could have him for 2014, 2015 at a cheap rate for a premier pass rusher and tag him in 2016 and 2017 without having to sign him to a long term deal. Good business sense. The 49ers would like to complete Kaepernick's new contract before the start of training camp in late-July. WR Brandon Lloyd - Lloyd's contract with the 49ers consists of the veteran minimum $955,000 base salary with $50,000 available through a workout bonus. His contract includes no signing bonus, the source said. He has more than the allowable amount of incentives in his contract, a source said, which means the 49ers do not receive the minimum salary benefit. Lloyd's deal counts $1.005 million against the 49ers' salary cap. WR Stevie Johnson - 6'2" 210 and runs a 4.45 (Revis & Dick-Shaker) for a conditional 4th/3rd round pick in 2015. 3 straight seasons of 1,000. Cap numbers are $3.925M ('14), $6.025M ('15), and $6.125M ('16). ILB Chase Thomas - Back with the Stanford coaches. ST Blake Costanzo - MB & MM report that he and the Tony Montana Hit Squad have rejoined the team. G/T Al Netter - resigned. OT Joe Staley - signed an extension through 2019. RB Alfonso Smith OT Michael Philipp OLB (SAM) Ahmad Brooks - RT @Jason_OTC: Looks like OLB Ahmad Brooks has restructured contract with #49ers, creating just over $2M in cap. WR L'Damian Washington RB Glenn Winston LB Kion Wilson NT Glenn Dorsey - Ian Rapoport â€@RapSheet 3h. In other news, that extension #49ers gave DT Glenn Dorsey yesterday is for 2 more years worth $6.1M in new money with $2.6M guaranteed. He is now signed through 2016. Ian Williams is signed through 2015. RG Alex Boone - According to bleacher report Boone secures 2.3 M raise over next 2 years and can't be franchise tagged in 2016. ST/WR Kassim Osgood - Brought back on a cheaper contract after initially being cut. Also, Glenn Dorsey was moved to the I.R. (designation-for-return) list. LDE Ray McDonald - The 49ers restructured and dropped Ray McDonald's salary-cap figure from $5.346M to $3.23M for this season. TE Xavier Grimble & CB Leon McFadden - Signed to the practice squad. To make room on the practice squad, the team has waived CB Chance Casey & OLB Shayne Skov. G Andrew Tiller - Signed to the PS and we waived T John Fullington. RB Kendall Hunter - Was resigned today through 2015 CB Chance Casey - Resigned RB Alfonso Smith -Resigned RB Phillip Tanner - Signed ILB Desmond Bishop - Signed CB Cameron Fuller - Signed 2014 Draft: 1. (1)(30): CB/S Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois. 4 years, $7.112M, including $3.492 million signing bonus. Note: Total of $5.722 million, including his first three years' salary, is fully guaranteed against skill, injury and cap. 2014 cap figure: $1.293 million. 2. (2)(57): RB Carlos Hyde, Ohio State. 4 years, $3.681M, including $997,584 signing bonus. Note: Total of $1.954 million, including first two years' salary, is fully guaranteed against skill, injury and cap. 2014 cap figure: $669,396. 3. (3)(70): C Marcus Martin, USC. 4 years, $3.058M, including $671,252 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: 587,813. 4. (3)(77): ILB Chris Borland, Wisconsin. 4 years, $2,897M, including $617,436 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $574,359. 5. (3)(100): C/G Brandon Thomas, Clemson. 4 years, $2.731M including $506,016 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $546,504. 6. (4)(106): WR Bruce Ellington, S. Carolina. 4 years, $2.694M, including $474,428 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $538,607. 7. (4)(129): CB Dontae Johnson, N. Carolina State. 4 years, $2.620M, including $400,544 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $520,136. 8. (5)(150): OLB Aaron Lynch, South Florida. 4 years, $2.418M, including $198,000 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $469,500. 9. (5)(170): CB Keith Reaser, Florida Atlantic. 4 years, $2.384M, including $164,800 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $461,200. 10. (6)(180): CB Kenneth Acker, SMU. 4 years, $2.340M, including $120,600 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $450,150. 11. (7)(243): DE Kaleb Ramsey, Boston College. 4 years, $2.268M, including $48,200 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $432,050. 12. (7)(245): FB Trey Millard, Oklahoma. 4 years, $2.267M, including $47,148 signing bonus. 2014 cap figure: $431,787 UDFA's: Kory Faulkner QB Shayne Skov ILB Morgan Breslin OLB - Cut L.J. McCray S Asante Cleveland TE Dillon Farrell C Fou Fonoti OT Read more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/178469-top-udfa-signings-tracker/ The Current 53: Offense: (Injured) QB: Colin Kaepernick; Blaine Gabbert & Josh Johnson RB: Alfonso Smith; Phillip Tanner (Frank Gore & Carlos Hyde) H-Back: Asante Cleveland TE: Vernon Davis FB: Bruce Miller X: Anquan Boldin; Brandon Lloyd Y (SLOT): Quinton Patton; Stevie Johnson Z: Michael Crabtree; Bruce Ellington LOT: Joe Staley ROT: Jonathan Martin; (Anthony Davis) LG: Mike Iupati; Andrew Tiller RG: Alex Boone; Joe Looney C: Joe Looney; Dillon Farrell (Marcus Martin) Defense: (Injured) RDE: Justin Smith LDE: Tank Carradine; Tony Jerrod-Eddie NT: Quinton Dial WILL: Aldon Smith; Dan Skuta & Corey Lemonier SAM: Aaron Lynch; (Ahmad Brooks) MIKE: Nick Moody; Desmond Bishop TED: Michael Wilhoite RCB: Dontae Johnson; Keith Reaser (Chris Culliver) LCB: Perrish Cox; Marcus Cromartie (Tramaine Brock) SLOT/NICKLE: Leon McFadden FS: Eric Reid; Craig Dahl & Bubba Ventrone SS: Antoine Bethea; L.J. McCray Special Teams: LS: Kyle Nelson PK: Phil Dawson P: Andy Lee PR/KOR: Bruce Ellington; Perrish Cox & Carlos Hyde Injured Reserve: RB: Kendall Hunter WR Kassim Osgood WR: Chuck Jacobs TE: Vance McDonald TE: Derek Carrier TE: Garrett Celek G: Fou Fonoti C: Daniel Kilgore NT: Glenn Dorsey NT: Ian Williams ILB: Patrick Willis ILB: NaVorro Bowman ILB: Chris Borland CB: Kenneth Acker CB: Chris Cook DB: Jimmie Ward OT: Luke Marquardt Reserve/Non Football Injury: FB: Trey Millard OG: Brandon Thomas CB: Keith Reaser Reserve/Physically Unable To Perform DE: Kaleb Ramsey Practice Squad: OT Chris Martin WR Lance Lewis TE Xavier Grimble RB Kendall Gaskins NT Mike Purcell DE Lawrence Okoye OLB Shane Skov OLB Chase Thomas CB Cameron Fuller Cap Ramifications/Potential Cuts: No updates after Boone's extension and McDonald's restructure. Week 2: Kickoff Coverage Unit (Defensive Team) We kick off: 25 Ward, Jimmie 96 Lemonier, Corey 46 Carrier, Derek 50 Borland, Chris 14 Osgood, Kassim 09 Dawson, Phil 54 Moody, Nick 22 Cook, Chris 31 McCray, L.J. 43 Dahl, Craig 36 Johnson, Dontae Kickoff Return Unit (Offensive Team) #1 They kick off: Deep in their territory 10 Ellington, Bruce 49 Miller, Bruce 50 Borland, Chris 14 Osgood, Kassim 54 Moody, Nick 63 Jerod-Eddie, Tony 59 Lynch, Aaron 22 Cook, Chris 43 Dahl, Craig 46 Carrier, Derek 31 McCray, L.J. Kickoff Return Unit (Offensive Team) #2 They kick off: Deep in our territory 10 Ellington, Bruce 49 Miller, Bruce 50 Borland, Chris 14 Osgood, Kassim 54 Moody, Nick 63 Jerod-Eddie, Tony 43 Dahl, Craig 46 Carrier, Derek 31 McCray, L.J. 89 McDonald, Vance 51 Skuta, Dan Punt Coverage Unit (Defensive Team) We punt: 04 Lee, Andy 25 Ward, Jimmie 31 McCray, L.J. 43 Dahl, Craig 49 Miller, Bruce 51 Skuta, Dan 57 Wilhoite, Michael 54 Moody, Nick 86 Nelson, Kyle 96 Lemonier, Corey 14 Osgood, Kassim Punt Coverage Unit (Offensive Team) #1 They punt: Deep in their territory 10 Ellington, Bruce 14 Osgood, Kassim 25 Ward, Jimmie 28 Hyde, Carlos (22 Cook, Chris) 31 McCray, L.J. 36 Johnson, Dontae 43 Dahl, Craig 46 Carrier, Derek 50 Borland, Chris 54 Moody, Nick 59 Lynch, Aaron Punt Coverage Unit (Offensive Team) #2 They punt: Deep in our territory 10 Ellington, Bruce 22 Cook, Chris 14 Osgood, Kassim 52 Willis, Patrick 43 Dahl, Craig 95 Williams, Tank 54 Moody, Nick (?) 92 Dial, Quinton 63 Jerod-Eddie, Tony 59 Lynch, Aaron 36 Johnson, Dontae Total Current Cap Figure: As of 9/8/2014 (reference, AB81Rules) The 49ers are $5.025M under the cap. I'm unsure if this figure counts Boone's current return/new contract. The cap is set at $133M for 2014. Any team can carry over unused salary cap room from the prior League Year. Read more at AB81Rules: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/98000-2014-49ers-salaries-5244-million-under-cap/ Read more at Over The Cap: http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/san-francisco-49ers 2015 Team Needs: (Order of Tier Importance: Top Tier, Second Tier & Third Tier) Top Tier: No particular order within the tiers... #1 HC/OC + Staff - New HC/OC with a professional offensive system and proven coaching staff. Many of the offensive picks will be based on players who fit that new system (i.e. WCO). #2 Z WR/Dynamic Returner - This may be priority #1 for personnel. We could probably use a speedster as well as a bigger-bodied possession WR who's got top-talent to pair with Boldin/Johnson. #3 QB - Veteran backup and hand-picked QB by the HC/OC in round 2 to fit the offensive system and develop over time (and push CK). #4 LCB & RCB/Dynamic Returner - This could be a top pick if Cox, Culliver & Cook take off esp. if he doubles as a dynamic returner. This could drop down a tier with the long-term signings of either Culliver, Cox and Cook (or all 3). #5 LT & RT - You can never have too many good T's. Second Tier: #6 SAM - This will be a bigger priority if Brooks is cut. #7 TED - Will need another backup if Wilhoite is gone. #8 RB - Whether Frank stays or goes, the new HC/OC may still want to go with Hyde and will draft another RB just in case for his system. #9 TE - We could us a tall 6'6" TE who can catch for the RZ and to split out wide. #10 LG - Could use a push-player here. #11 RDE - Could use a top talent here as well to be safe. Third Tier: # 12 NICKLE CB - It couldn't hurt to push the group we have already. Overall: I see 14 "needs" with many being taken care of well before the draft (i.e. resignings and restructuring of our own players such as Cox, Culliver, Cook, Smith, Gore, Brooks, Wilhoite, etc.). I anticipate much cap space opening up as well for us with some of these aging players moving on and the continued development of our youth-movement. I figure by the time we get to the draft, 1/2 of these 14 needs will be shored up in FA whether in-house or outside. Translastion: This is already a stacked roster, it's now an even more experienced roster due to all the injuries this year and cheap!

Apr 19, 2014 at 10:13 AM

#376

oldninerdude
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks NC...interesting list of guys. I can see them going with Pryor at #30 if he falls to them. There are so many good CBs and WR in this draft that those needs could be filled in the second or third rounds. Walter draft has Pryor going 17th and the guys from CBS all have him going #20 or earlier, and you have indicated a trade...what sort of trade do you anticipate? I know this is wild conjecture at this point but I really can see Baalke moving up as he did last year, so I'm curious on your thoughts.

I'm gonna join in dtg's curiosity as to your thoughts on this issue, NC.

And it brings up a broader question: when to cash in on the stockpile of draftpicks? Does Baalke continue to trade and acquire extra picks for next year? Or does he trade and move up for an impact player this year?

I guess it depends on the quality an depth of the current draft, vs next year's draft. This year appears to be deep in good quality CBs and WRs, but light on high quality QBs. Niners need CB and WR players, and Safety--and have the picks this year to acquire lots of candidates to fill those positions.

So unless someone comes at him with an outrageously great trade possibility, I'm guessing that Baalke stays put and uses all his picks on CB, WR, S and maybe a C or TE or ILB prospect thrown in.

Your thoughts?

Apr 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

#377

NCommand
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Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks NC...interesting list of guys. I can see them going with Pryor at #30 if he falls to them. There are so many good CBs and WR in this draft that those needs could be filled in the second or third rounds. Walter draft has Pryor going 17th and the guys from CBS all have him going #20 or earlier, and you have indicated a trade...what sort of trade do you anticipate? I know this is wild conjecture at this point but I really can see Baalke moving up as he did last year, so I'm curious on your thoughts.

I'm gonna join in dtg's curiosity as to your thoughts on this issue, NC.

And it brings up a broader question: when to cash in on the stockpile of draftpicks? Does Baalke continue to trade and acquire extra picks for next year? Or does he trade and move up for an impact player this year?

I guess it depends on the quality an depth of the current draft, vs next year's draft. This year appears to be deep in good quality CBs and WRs, but light on high quality QBs. Niners need CB and WR players, and Safety--and have the picks this year to acquire lots of candidates to fill those positions.

So unless someone comes at him with an outrageously great trade possibility, I'm guessing that Baalke stays put and uses all his picks on CB, WR, S and maybe a C or TE or ILB prospect thrown in.

Your thoughts?

Thanks fellas. I have a feeling Pryor is going to fall (call it a hunch). Even if he does fall into the 15-20 range, it may be tempting to pull off another Reid-like move with all the extra picks we have. We pwned the Cowboys last year in the Reid-trade, no doubt and still ended up with 13 picks this year, to start. Not bad. But I have a feeling he's really going to drop and I expect there to be lots of movement ahead of this as the reason why.

That said, Baalke is the most unpredictable of GM's and that's a good thing. But I am in that category of those who believe we stay pat too BUT, it would not surprise me one single bit if we moved up for our gold star guy.

Anyone watch the movie, Draft Day yet?

Apr 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

#378

dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks fellas. I have a feeling Pryor is going to fall (call it a hunch). Even if he does fall into the 15-20 range, it may be tempting to pull off another Reid-like move with all the extra picks we have. We pwned the Cowboys last year in the Reid-trade, no doubt and still ended up with 13 picks this year, to start. Not bad. But I have a feeling he's really going to drop and I expect there to be lots of movement ahead of this as the reason why.

That said, Baalke is the most unpredictable of GM's and that's a good thing. But I am in that category of those who believe we stay pat too BUT, it would not surprise me one single bit if we moved up for our gold star guy.

Anyone watch the movie, Draft Day yet?

Yes! Much better than I expected.

Apr 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

#379

NCommand
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thanks fellas. I have a feeling Pryor is going to fall (call it a hunch). Even if he does fall into the 15-20 range, it may be tempting to pull off another Reid-like move with all the extra picks we have. We pwned the Cowboys last year in the Reid-trade, no doubt and still ended up with 13 picks this year, to start. Not bad. But I have a feeling he's really going to drop and I expect there to be lots of movement ahead of this as the reason why.

That said, Baalke is the most unpredictable of GM's and that's a good thing. But I am in that category of those who believe we stay pat too BUT, it would not surprise me one single bit if we moved up for our gold star guy.

Anyone watch the movie, Draft Day yet?

Yes! Much better than I expected.

It was good. My boy made his first mock draft this morning b/c of it. Good times!

Apr 19, 2014 at 2:48 PM

#380

ninergold
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Liked the NC analysis.

Apr 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM

#381

dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NCommand:
It was good. My boy made his first mock draft this morning b/c of it. Good times!

Corrupting the poor boy early! LOL! Seriously, it's never too early to become a zealot when it comes to Bay Area sports! Go Warriors!

Apr 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM

#382

Constantine
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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Constantine:
1st: CB
2nd: WR
2nd: DL/CB
3rd: CB/LB/DL
3rd: MLB/DL
4th: FB/WR
4th:WR
5th:OLB
6th:Best Available
7th:Best Available
7th:Best Available

Excellent. You could even go S (S with range - depending on what happens with Whitner) or CB #1 now and someone like WR Donte Moncrief in the 2nd hopefully. This would be ideal b/c we get a top-notch talent at WR but without the first round stigma and expectations and a year or two to learn from Boldin.

I know what would you do different in the three rounds

Apr 19, 2014 at 5:27 PM

#383

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Somewhere in here we need to find a baalke QB. I just have trouble seeing kap go down and Gabbert come in. I don't think baalke goes without bringing in a QB, none of us know well nor rate highly. This is obviously for later rounds, and NC nice job on your combination of ways in looking at this. Terrific.

Apr 19, 2014 at 5:37 PM

#384

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Originally posted by NCommand:
One thing I like to do pre-draft is to look at who we visit with. In the past, IIRC, there was a correlation to visits and draft day selections; as to what degree, I can't recall.

MM has done a fantastic job updating this information for us here: http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/2014-49ers-pre-draft-tracker

Let's take a look at NT's top 3 needs: WR, CB & S through the eyes of MadDog's Big Board: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/178041-maddog-masters-edition-big-256-board-whole-enchilada/

Wide Receivers:
X & Z (Outside) Receivers:
--Mike Evans (6'5" 222)(Texas A&M): Met with 49ers at his pro day, March 5. - Projected to go around the 9th pick
--Kelvin Benjamin (6'5" 245) (Florida State): GM Trent Baalke attended pro day, March 19. - Projected to go around the 40th pick
--Martavis Bryant (6'4" 201)(Clemson): Baalke attended pro day, March 6; private visit, April 14 (Bee). - Projected to go around the 47th pick
--Paul Richardson (6'3" 204) (Colorado): Private visit, April 15 (Bee). - Projected to go around the 53rd pick

Y/Slot (Inside) Receivers:
--Odell Beckham (5'11" 194)(LSU): Met with 49ers prior to pro day, April 9. - Projected to go around the 14th pick
--Kain Colter (6'0" 194)(Northwestern): Spoke at length to 49ers at pro day, March 4. - Projected to go as an UDFA
--Albert Wilson (5'9" 200)(Georgia State): Private visit, April 14. - Projected to go as an UDFA

Analysis: We pick 30th, 56th, 61st, 77th, 94th, 100th, 129th, 170th, 242nd, 243rd & 245th. We've talked about how we need two very different types of WR's here. First, we need the bigger-bodied WR's on the outside to help face press CB's and block in the run game and AR2's and be groomed behind both Crabtree and Boldin for a year. But we also need a swiss-army-knife smaller/quicker/faster inside WR who can help stretch the field and also be dynamic in the return game (he's a package WR in our offense). We have no shot at Evans or Beckham here unless we move up and forfeit some picks. For the purpose of this, let's stay pat. We have great shots in the second round for Benjamin, Bryant & Richardson. It appears if we don't take someone like Cook with the first overall pick, we'll look to the much later rounds for this type of WR which makes sense esp. in our offense.

Cornerbacks:
--Kyle Fuller (6'0" 194)(Virginia Tech): Harbaugh attended pro day, March 19. - Projected to go around the 20th pick
--Bashaud Breeland (6'0" 185)(Clemson): Baalke had dinner with him after pro day, March 6 (Draft Insider). - Projected to go around the 65th pick
--Stanley Jean-Baptiste (6'3" 220) (Nebraska): Interview at NFL Scouting Combine (BSN). - Projected to go around the 74th pick
--Jaylen Watkins (6'0" 187)(Florida): Baalke attended pro day, March 17. - Projected to go around the 87th pick
--Marcus Roberson (6'0" 194)(Florida): Baalke attended pro day, March 17. - Projected to go around the 92nd pick
--Loucheiz Purifoy (5'11" 190)(Florida): Baalke attended pro day, March 17. - Projected to go around the 134th pick
--Aaron Colvin (6'0" 192)(Oklahoma): Private visit scheduled, TBA. - Projected to go around the 159th pick

Analysis: We pick 30th, 56th, 61st, 77th, 94th, 100th, 129th, 170th, 242nd, 243rd & 245th. Well, it's safe to say Baalke wants another 6''0" tall CB...at least. It really does seem like we'll be playing more press this year along with a single high-FS. The second and third round seems to really open up for a number of these CB's here. Like with the WR's we need outside CB's as well as inside. We could use another slot CB to compete with Morris as well as a blue-chip CB to compete with Culliver and Wright for the #2. Slots #3-5 are pretty well locked up with the loser of the #2 battle, Cox, Cooper and Morris.

Safeties:
--Calvin Pryor (5'11" 207)(Louisville): Formal interview with Harbaugh and coach Ed Donatell at NFL Scouting Combine. - Projected to go around the 23rd pick
--Marqueston Huff (6'0" 195)(Wyoming): Formal interview at Combine (BSN). - Projected to go around the 198th pick

Analysis/Overall: We pick 30th, 56th, 61st, 77th, 94th, 100th, 129th, 170th, 242nd, 243rd & 245th. I have a sneaking suspicion that Pryor is not only going to fall to #30 but that he will be our #1 overall pick. Our WR's are set with veteran depth now in Patton, Baldwin, Lloyd and Osgood should either Crabtree or Boldin go down, not to mention VD played mostly WR last year and McDonald can slide into his receiving role this year at TE (as noted by the coaching staff this off season). So, a developing red-shirted 2nd rounder seems most plausible here for us. Our utility WR can be found all over the map this year as well and Patton with his 4.4 speed may incorporate more into that Y/slot/utility spo as wellt.

So, in reality, we need competition at the #2 CB spot and a developing big-bodied WR outside and a utility WR but at S, we only have Dahl and Spillman behind Bethea and Reid. While both are excellent ST players, neither seem the type to be able to step in for either as a starter should Reid or Bethea go down. It's going to take a year or two to develop the S next to Reid either in 2015 or 2016 d/t the complexity of the position. So, my best guess is we go Pryor, then CB-WR, whichever is BPA and we'll probably do that again with our 4th and 5th picks as well. We might see a top C or ILB thrown in there as well. In short, I don't think we even need to move up this year but if Baalke has a Reid-like crush to seriously compete for the #2 CB position, he may do just that but it will be for a CB such as Fuller, giving up minimal picks to do it.

Great work! Much appreciated.

Apr 19, 2014 at 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It was good. My boy made his first mock draft this morning b/c of it. Good times!

Corrupting the poor boy early! LOL! Seriously, it's never too early to become a zealot when it comes to Bay Area sports! Go Warriors!

Absolutely. He loved it...our table had sheets of paper spread out all over the place including MadDog's big board, many of my team needs posts, MM's culmulative report on visits, etc. while researching players online. It was fun to watch him think through everything.

Apr 19, 2014 at 8:08 PM

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Great work! Much appreciated.

Thanks much...just taking a little different approach to see if we can hone the Baalke formula down. I'm fairly certain gold-star players will be high on our wishlist. LOL

Apr 19, 2014 at 8:09 PM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Somewhere in here we need to find a baalke QB. I just have trouble seeing kap go down and Gabbert come in. I don't think baalke goes without bringing in a QB, none of us know well nor rate highly. This is obviously for later rounds, and NC nice job on your combination of ways in looking at this. Terrific.

No question about this one. I wonder what KIND of QB it will be...mobile, developer like CK or more in the mold of the traditional pocket-passer?

Apr 19, 2014 at 11:51 PM

#388

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Somewhere in here we need to find a baalke QB. I just have trouble seeing kap go down and Gabbert come in. I don't think baalke goes without bringing in a QB, none of us know well nor rate highly. This is obviously for later rounds, and NC nice job on your combination of ways in looking at this. Terrific.

No question about this one. I wonder what KIND of QB it will be...mobile, developer like CK or more in the mold of the traditional pocket-passer?

Agree and beleive Paso brought up the point earlier that Gabbert is likely a trade-bait guy. If that's so then I expect Baalke/Harbaugh to pick up someone who might be a bit more ready. If they plan on keeping Gabbert then a developmental guy from a small school, or a back up at a bigger school is a possibility.

Good article on Gabbert: http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Five-Facts-about-49ers-QB-Blaine-Gabbert/083fbd3e-a334-411f-90fe-7a934f70927b

Apr 20, 2014 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
What a great summary NC, on the entire team. No question the F.O. has performed spectacularly. You did omit Qb, which I suppose means we are betting on kap, but somehow, I don't see that extension this yr. I think they want to see how he improves (reads, progressions)and progresses thru the yr. The athleticism and strength are all there. My guess is they wait to see how he picks up the stuff he needs to improve on. Having gabbert as backup doesn't fit with the quality of the rest of the team so I suspect we will see a qb in late draft or UDFA that JH or Trent knows a lot about. I still think gabbert was a draft pick incentive to use for trade. That means we will really need a good backup, but late, may be whistling past the graveyard. If we keep him then I think we get a career backup like a Flynn...but who knows.

Like you I see a spectacular FA season, getting rid of overpaid under producing guys, who we replace with younger more talented guys and at less money. And we have the picks to do it. Our weakest link, CB, now has the opportunity to become one of our stronger ones, depending on which CBs we take. We take one high for sure, and a second either high or mid rounds if TB and JH really like him. Addition by subtraction...that's us. Bethea for Whitner...that was a huge winner, esp in coverage.

PasoDoc, I've read with interest your evaluation of Gabbert as trade bait but I have the gut feeling that Harbaugh's ego tells him that he can make Gabbert, at the very least, a backup QB. I never underestimate a head coach's ego when it comes to coaching up a player. I would rather see a second day draft pick, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Apr 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks NC...interesting list of guys. I can see them going with Pryor at #30 if he falls to them. There are so many good CBs and WR in this draft that those needs could be filled in the second or third rounds. Walter draft has Pryor going 17th and the guys from CBS all have him going #20 or earlier, and you have indicated a trade...what sort of trade do you anticipate? I know this is wild conjecture at this point but I really can see Baalke moving up as he did last year, so I'm curious on your thoughts.

I'm gonna join in dtg's curiosity as to your thoughts on this issue, NC.

And it brings up a broader question: when to cash in on the stockpile of draftpicks? Does Baalke continue to trade and acquire extra picks for next year? Or does he trade and move up for an impact player this year?

I guess it depends on the quality an depth of the current draft, vs next year's draft. This year appears to be deep in good quality CBs and WRs, but light on high quality QBs. Niners need CB and WR players, and Safety--and have the picks this year to acquire lots of candidates to fill those positions.

So unless someone comes at him with an outrageously great trade possibility, I'm guessing that Baalke stays put and uses all his picks on CB, WR, S and maybe a C or TE or ILB prospect thrown in.

Your thoughts?

Thanks fellas. I have a feeling Pryor is going to fall (call it a hunch). Even if he does fall into the 15-20 range, it may be tempting to pull off another Reid-like move with all the extra picks we have. We pwned the Cowboys last year in the Reid-trade, no doubt and still ended up with 13 picks this year, to start. Not bad. But I have a feeling he's really going to drop and I expect there to be lots of movement ahead of this as the reason why.

That said, Baalke is the most unpredictable of GM's and that's a good thing. But I am in that category of those who believe we stay pat too BUT, it would not surprise me one single bit if we moved up for our gold star guy.

Anyone watch the movie, Draft Day yet?

I think we may trade back a small bit and take advantage of the strong second players. I agree Pryor would be great. Fact is we don't to draft a starting SS. We can find what we need in the 2nd an 3rd rounds easily. OLB and CB on the other hand we may need who we draft to start. Who ever we select should be considered able to start from week 1 on. I think we can find that talent for CB, OLB and WR at the top of the 2nd round. So why not trade back get an extra 2nd and work to board in the 2nd and 3rd rounds for next year starters?