What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

Originally posted by barrymartin:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I don't know is "designed" this way. But, let's just say if it is for the sake of discussion, then is obviously not working or at least Kap should be rushing much more. What I am saying is Kap needs to target mutiple receivers even if he is on the scramble. Otherwise why bother having any secondary receivers ?

To block. No, seriously. All your talk about needing more WR's is meaningless when the gameplanning refuses to include those other receivers for much more than being blockers downfield. Watch when Kaepernick scrambles, how often do guys often break off their routes and by that, the 1 or 2 guys actually running routes to catch the ball, not the guys with blocking assignments 15 yards downfield.

Bingo.

I keep reading posts that put blame on Kap for not finding those receivers, but I don't see anyone complaining that our OC literally does nothing to make a team pay for stacking the box and blitzing repeatedly. When the Niners lose, it is because our offense is overwhelmed by the blitzing, and we have no back up plan to counter it. Literally every one of the losses in the last two years are the exact same formula. The Ravens started it in 2011 and teams that have been able to replicate that formula have beaten this Niner team. Like I said in my earlier post, in the games the niners have lost in the Harbaugh era, they have averaged 13 points per game. Keep in mind that includes the Super Bowl where they scored 31 and against Dallas they had 24. Take those two higher scores out and the other 10 games are just pathetic at 7.3 points per game over ten games.

Just let that sink in a bit...

If they can stop our run and force us to pass, we're toast. We don't have an answer, except in the GreenBay game in which Green bay simply didn't get it that all that had to do was take Boldin out of the game.

Remember when there was talk last year about the 49ers being "fake tough guys"?

This couldn't be more true of the offense. When they get punched in the mouth by a defense, they fold like lawn chairs. It is sickening to watch.

Originally posted by VA49er:
For me the game was 100% on Roman. It could be Kaepernick too. Depending. But ultimately Roman. We refused to just take what their D was giving us and move the chains. Constantly looking to hit a home run. There could have been instances where Kaep was audibling to big plays but I don't think so. The play calling from our own end zone was unbelievably risky in a close game. Frank Gore was getting 5 per carry. We needed to lead with the run and look for the quik passes first with deep reads being the secondary option. We tried to play over top of those guys but it just wasn't working. We really were a couple of plays away from breaking that game open, and that is on a number of people but we were in a grind of a game and we didnt' grind it out.

THEY.NEVER.DO.TAKE.WHAT.A.DEFENSE.GIVES.THEM.



In 2 1/2 seasons, if it isn't in the game plan, even if a team is vulnerable, they won't utilize it. If a team blitzes a lot and brings heavy pressure, do they utilize a lot of slants and screens? HELL NO, its not in the game plan, we're throwing deep. This should be Roman's new slogan.







It's like he calls passing offense from a Madden NFL handbook.

Originally posted by jays9ers:
I'd say it starts up front with the O-line...but I've seen this from Kap all season. He constantly locks on to one guy, throws lasers with no touch (besides that beautiful Mcdonald dropped), and he just hasn't been that good.. Even when the O-line gives him time he still doesn't find the open man. Yes the WR's are below average but damn... This has been pathetic all season.

The O-line was a sieve today. There was constant pressure up the middle. They were simply overmatched and pretty much overwhelmed the whole game. This is not the best O-line in football as so many announcers state. They couldn't get any push at all, in fact, the opposite was true. Most of the time they were being pushed back, and the linebackers and safeties were crashing through wholes to stop running plays for short gains. They were able to consistently get pressure on Kap the whole game. Bad game for the O-Line. Yes, many other problems. You don't get less than 100 yds passing and not have it be the QB, the play calling and the receivers also. Total dysfunction today.

Just agreeing with what I've seen some people saying here, which why in the cornbread f*** don't they utilize quick hitting pass plays like swings, screens, slants, short in's/crosses, ESPECIALLY with a DL that is teeing off on your OL? I wasn't at the game today so can't really say what kind of routes were being run on most plays, but I got the sense it's either deep seam routes or short curls where a WR, should a completion actually occur, is facing the QB and doesn't have the benefit of catching the ball in stride. That's great when you want 7 yards on a 3rd&6, but it would be nice to see routes where a receiver is coming across the field, or the RB in the flat on a swing.

LMJ was activated...good first step. Now, I dunno, maybe get him the ball in space?

Oh well, gotta admit not real confident right now and would not be surprised in the least if they lose the next two on the road to NO and Wash, and then 12/8 to Seattle...and oh by the way, don't sleep on the Rams, either. Winning the NFCW is now a pipe dream, and even the second wildcard and a #6 see are going to be a dogfight.

I was willing to accept that sure, the passing game wasn't great during the 5-game win streak, but it didn't have to be because the run game was so strong. But today, even though the run game was getting yards, nothing was ever in sync and it was clear Kaepernick and the passing game would have to win this game...no sugarcoating it, they failed miserably and have given no indication things are going to get better.

The play calling is so random. Running great then just stop for no reason. No timing routes. All 7 step drop. No screens. Why do we continue to call 3 plays every huddle and take it down to the last second of the play clock? That is what cost us the superbowl(Kaep would have scored on the keeper if not for the timeout). Only one slant that was a big gainer. This offense might be too multiple where we do so many different things with personel and formations that we are not excelling in any one of them

What makes me mad is that we had the bye week to prepare for the Panthers and we look terrible. I did not agree with the play calling. I know that we do not throw the ball deep much but you have to in order to keep the safeties from creeping up.

Maybe Greg Roman has ADHD?? Seems to do worse after bye weeks or extra days to prep. Like he cant keep still and has to tweak things

Originally posted by Antix:
I think its passing concepts/Greg Roman. Whoever designs or is in charge of passing (prob the WR coach) needs to be fired or put on notice. I feel Harbaugh is too loyal to do that. Somebody needs to be held accountable though. When we were getting pressured we never adjusted. No shallow crosses or quick slants. Our passing design is terrible.

This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Antix:
I think its passing concepts/Greg Roman. Whoever designs or is in charge of passing (prob the WR coach) needs to be fired or put on notice. I feel Harbaugh is too loyal to do that. Somebody needs to be held accountable though. When we were getting pressured we never adjusted. No shallow crosses or quick slants. Our passing design is terrible.

This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

That.

Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Antix:

I think its passing concepts/Greg Roman. Whoever designs or is in charge of passing (prob the WR coach) needs to be fired or put on notice. I feel Harbaugh is too loyal to do that. Somebody needs to be held accountable though. When we were getting pressured we never adjusted. No shallow crosses or quick slants. Our passing design is terrible.

This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

That.

I feel if we continue struggling and finish last in the league in pass offense someone will have to be held accountable

God this game was an abomination.

I mean it's just starting to sink in just how bad the offense was.

Originally posted by eastie:
This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

Both Chryst and Roman are in over their heads. I kind of feel like Harbaugh brought in guys he knew and trusted, but not all of them seem to have worked out.

Originally posted by eonblue:
I feel if we continue struggling and finish last in the league in pass offense someone will have to be held accountable

God this game was an abomination.

I mean it's just starting to sink in just how bad the offense was.

Jim Hostler bad. Yes, that bad. Everyone perhaps other than Gore shares some of the blame, but this playcalling, for having 2 weeks to put together a viable gameplan was atrocious.

Originally posted by eonblue:

Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Antix:
I think its passing concepts/Greg Roman. Whoever designs or is in charge of passing (prob the WR coach) needs to be fired or put on notice. I feel Harbaugh is too loyal to do that. Somebody needs to be held accountable though. When we were getting pressured we never adjusted. No shallow crosses or quick slants. Our passing design is terrible.

This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

That.

I feel if we continue struggling and finish last in the league in pass offense someone will have to be held accountable

God this game was an abomination.

I mean it's just starting to sink in just how bad the offense was.

I was embarrassed for myself watching it. Just pathetic.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by eonblue:

Originally posted by Imfasterthanur:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Antix:
I think its passing concepts/Greg Roman. Whoever designs or is in charge of passing (prob the WR coach) needs to be fired or put on notice. I feel Harbaugh is too loyal to do that. Somebody needs to be held accountable though. When we were getting pressured we never adjusted. No shallow crosses or quick slants. Our passing design is terrible.

This. Chryst has to go if we are ever going to scare teams with our passing attack. He had the same problem in SD..

That.

I feel if we continue struggling and finish last in the league in pass offense someone will have to be held accountable

God this game was an abomination.

I mean it's just starting to sink in just how bad the offense was.

I was embarrassed for myself watching it. Just pathetic.

WR is a priority in offseason in draft and free agency crowd it with talent to pressure everyone....actual route running players that can create separation...till then Seahawks own this division...their Wideouts are coming along just fine with a midget QB

lot has been said about the weapons the 49ers have been stockpiling in the Bay Area. But of all these names—whether they were acquired via trade or in an early round draft slot—none has been able to step up and prove their worth. And this is not specific to the wide receiver group; it is all around, which suggests that the reason for the lack of production may not be the individual players but rather how they're being used.

Hypothetically, LaMichael James could be doing very impressive things in a Saints uniform. Vance McDonald would probably be quite the weapon at the hands of Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and that tight end-friendly system. Then there's Kyle Williams, who could be an X-factor in an offense like Green Bay's.

The point is tailoring plays to fit the skill set of the player.

As part of his shortcomings as a play-caller, Greg Roman has struggled to scheme ways for non-stars to touch the football and contribute. As a whole, the San Francisco offense is way too reliant on its marquee players to carry the load. So when the 49ers are in a position like the one they're in now, without Michael Crabtree and without Vernon Davis, their offense flatlines.

Middle screens and wheel routes to James don't exist. Simple timing slants and tunnel screens to Kyle Williams don't materialize. And not once has McDonald been used as a big body target in the red zone.

On Sunday, Mario Manningham was able to return and looked to be in good form. He led the 49ers in receiving and seemed to have the hot hand, but he failed to sustain that over the course of the game. The lack of fluidity in the play-calling and Roman's approach of trying to put a square peg through a round hole is crippling the 49ers offense, and it is most evident in the passing game.

This offense as a whole should be operating at a much higher rate of efficiency with how loaded its roster is.