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sfout
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
At a press conference Friday night, the 49ers formally introduced Jim Harbaugh as their new head coach alongside new general manager Trent Baalke. After the formalities were over, the San Francisco media asked Harbaugh what sort of offense he's bringing to the Bay Area. "We will install the West Coast offense in San Francisco, birthplace of the West Coast offense," he answered.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/harbaugh-we-will-install-the-west-coast-offense/
This b******t is not the WCO or even close.
To their credit, Harbaugh did tell the truth. He has installed the WCO. He never said his offense would be 100% WCO, he installed elements of it and nothing more.
Classic Harbaugh, answer with a half-truth.
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PowderdToastMn
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I don't know is "designed" this way. But, let's just say if it is for the sake of discussion, then is obviously not working or at least Kap should be rushing much more. What I am saying is Kap needs to target mutiple receivers even if he is on the scramble. Otherwise why bother having any secondary receivers ?
To block. No, seriously. All your talk about needing more WR's is meaningless when the gameplanning refuses to include those other receivers for much more than being blockers downfield. Watch when Kaepernick scrambles, how often do guys often break off their routes and by that, the 1 or 2 guys actually running routes to catch the ball, not the guys with blocking assignments 15 yards downfield.
Bingo.
I keep reading posts that put blame on Kap for not finding those receivers, but I don't see anyone complaining that our OC literally does nothing to make a team pay for stacking the box and blitzing repeatedly. When the Niners lose, it is because our offense is overwhelmed by the blitzing, and we have no back up plan to counter it. Literally every one of the losses in the last two years are the exact same formula. The Ravens started it in 2011 and teams that have been able to replicate that formula have beaten this Niner team. Like I said in my earlier post, in the games the niners have lost in the Harbaugh era, they have averaged 13 points per game. Keep in mind that includes the Super Bowl where they scored 31 and against Dallas they had 24. Take those two higher scores out and the other 10 games are just pathetic at 7.3 points per game over ten games.
Just let that sink in a bit...
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ace49ers
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Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Kaep having no touch on his passes, all just bullets lol
He needs to calm down in the weight room, even coach said it was a bad thing if a QB gets to much weight room time. And ive notice him having to really dial it down to get touch on his balls.
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everything about the passing O is junk. play calling, he inability to create personnel mismatches, protection, qb play...all of it.
theres no rule that says u can't run screen play on 2nd down, where the hell does it say the only routes a te can run are the wheel and seam? square in or out, a fcking dig....find soft spot already! doesn't take a genius to get the FB a pass, the D will gladly give that up everyday.
Olines passpro is trash, been trash. which certainly doesn't help kaep out, lord knows he needs a little time especially with his season long inaccuracy issues. the dude hasn't even played 32 games yet and I'm still trying to figure out if the coaches are really developing/advancing kaep within that system. OK crabs is out and of course that doesn't help but damn. these jokers have problems regardless of whether or not the play is specifically designed to get one player open (other then the usual suspects) or its a read progression type deal that involves 3 or more receivers.
the think tank is cracked...,this is b******t*t
go niners!!
f**king bull
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VA49er
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For me the game was 100% on Roman. It could be Kaepernick too. Depending. But ultimately Roman. We refused to just take what their D was giving us and move the chains. Constantly looking to hit a home run. There could have been instances where Kaep was audibling to big plays but I don't think so. The play calling from our own end zone was unbelievably risky in a close game. Frank Gore was getting 5 per carry. We needed to lead with the run and look for the quik passes first with deep reads being the secondary option. We tried to play over top of those guys but it just wasn't working. We really were a couple of plays away from breaking that game open, and that is on a number of people but we were in a grind of a game and we didnt' grind it out.
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jimmythegreekjr
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The Real Problem? is named Balke. Who have the brought in as an offensive play maker since Singletary left? Gore, Davis, and Crabtree were pre-Harbaugh era. We draft a QB who can't read defense, can't audible, can't read through his progressions. Who did we bring as a potential workhorse to help Gore? LaMichael James?? Kendall Hunter?? They are not starting backs. Who have we brought in as WR?? AJ Jenkins?? Trent Balke in my opinion is really bad at drafting and bringing in free agent offensive playmakers (Boldin is the exception). Go back and analyze the offensive players (not including the offensive line) drafted in the last three years:
2011
Kaepernick (Avg QB)
Hunter (Good utlity back, but not a dominant play maker)
Miller (Good blocker, gains minimal yardage)
2012
Jenkins, James (BUSTS)
2013:
Patton (Jury is out)
Vance McDonald (Doesn't play much because of Davis and Celek)
BJ Daniels (GONE)
Lattimore (Injured)
This kind of drafting is unacceptable
Some of the Offensive free agents that have come and gone this year:
WR Austin Collie
WR Chad Hall
WR Lavelle Hawkins
WR Chuck jacobs
RB Jewel Hampton
WR Kassim Osgood
WR Marlon Moore
WR Baldwin
Who am I am I missing from this turnstile list of players that they have brought in this year...(who aren't even seeing the field)
It's obvious from the above list that we have the offense that we do.
You can see that our offensive problems are a reflection of the above. People...we have some major problem upstairs.
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titan
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Our offense need to get their crap together! WR's specifically...Seattle will be visiting us soon and that pressure defense was assembled to stop us. I really don't want to get embarrass at home in our last game against Seattle. That would be a terrible last memory at Candlestick.
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RishikeshA
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In the not too distant past Roman was "the Genius", Kaep was labeled the GOAT. Truth be told they weren't that good and now they're not that bad. Remember last year, the Ravens lost 4 of their last 5 and still won the SB. In 2011 the Giants won as the wild card. Just get the ticket punched and get to the Dance, then we'll see what happens.
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49erfaninPA
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Think it's going to be a tall order to beat the Saints next week.
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190836
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Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
At a press conference Friday night, the 49ers formally introduced Jim Harbaugh as their new head coach alongside new general manager Trent Baalke. After the formalities were over, the San Francisco media asked Harbaugh what sort of offense he's bringing to the Bay Area. "We will install the West Coast offense in San Francisco, birthplace of the West Coast offense," he answered.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/harbaugh-we-will-install-the-west-coast-offense/
This b******t is not the WCO or even close.
To their credit, Harbaugh did tell the truth. He has installed the WCO. He never said his offense would be 100% WCO, he installed elements of it and nothing more.
Classic Harbaugh, answer with a half-truth.
His offense sucks. Half truth or not.
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braap49er
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The problem is the QB. I want Alex Smith back!
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Eastcoastniner
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Originally posted by braap49er:
The problem is the QB. I want Alex Smith back!
just stop hes not coming back move onnnnnnnn
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sincalfaithful
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Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
At a press conference Friday night, the 49ers formally introduced Jim Harbaugh as their new head coach alongside new general manager Trent Baalke. After the formalities were over, the San Francisco media asked Harbaugh what sort of offense he's bringing to the Bay Area. "We will install the West Coast offense in San Francisco, birthplace of the West Coast offense," he answered.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/harbaugh-we-will-install-the-west-coast-offense/
This b******t is not the WCO or even close.
To their credit, Harbaugh did tell the truth. He has installed the WCO. He never said his offense would be 100% WCO, he installed elements of it and nothing more.
Classic Harbaugh, answer with a half-truth.
His offense sucks. Half truth or not.
half truth for half an offense
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barrymartin
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by sacleads:
True. Harbaugh needs to make changes to his coaching staff. I'm ok with Roman and the WR coach leaving after this season. Roman can call some great run plays but when it comes to the passing game, its frustrating, especially against a very good defense. We need a new set of eyes who can better utilize the QB and WRs.
This...and its not enough, this isn't Stanford, this isn't the PAC-12, its not sufficient to have an offensive coordinator that only excels in one part of the offense. Because of his lack of ability when it comes to calling a passing offense, this team goes into each game with a handicap in that regard and if its a top defense, they end up feasting on his utterly predictable playcalls.
It is so obvious. There are no real strategic adjustments when the offense stalls. It seems so simple that when that kind of pressure is being generated by the front 7 you go to screens, delays, short crossing patterns. Did we see any of these? No! That's so basic, it's almost unbelievable we don't see these things. Instead they stack the box and bring pressure and we keep trying to take 5 and 7 step drops. I thought Harbaugh was smarter than this.
Also for being touted as a quarterback whisperer, he is sure missing some of Kap's issues. It may be he doesn't have progressions on a lot of plays, but he sure doesn't do much besides lock on to his primary receiver.
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Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I don't know is "designed" this way. But, let's just say if it is for the sake of discussion, then is obviously not working or at least Kap should be rushing much more. What I am saying is Kap needs to target mutiple receivers even if he is on the scramble. Otherwise why bother having any secondary receivers ?
To block. No, seriously. All your talk about needing more WR's is meaningless when the gameplanning refuses to include those other receivers for much more than being blockers downfield. Watch when Kaepernick scrambles, how often do guys often break off their routes and by that, the 1 or 2 guys actually running routes to catch the ball, not the guys with blocking assignments 15 yards downfield.
Bingo.
I keep reading posts that put blame on Kap for not finding those receivers, but I don't see anyone complaining that our OC literally does nothing to make a team pay for stacking the box and blitzing repeatedly. When the Niners lose, it is because our offense is overwhelmed by the blitzing, and we have no back up plan to counter it. Literally every one of the losses in the last two years are the exact same formula. The Ravens started it in 2011 and teams that have been able to replicate that formula have beaten this Niner team. Like I said in my earlier post, in the games the niners have lost in the Harbaugh era, they have averaged 13 points per game. Keep in mind that includes the Super Bowl where they scored 31 and against Dallas they had 24. Take those two higher scores out and the other 10 games are just pathetic at 7.3 points per game over ten games.
Just let that sink in a bit...
If they can stop our run and force us to pass, we're toast. We don't have an answer, except in the GreenBay game in which Green bay simply didn't get it that all that had to do was take Boldin out of the game.