What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

So now that we have the input of STEVE YOUNG:

Bottom line ..... Kaepernick is NOT THE PROBLEM.
Bottom line ..... Receivers are not the problem.
Bottom line ..... O line is not the problem.

Every one of you in here groaning and fighting to the death with your anger and great wisdom thinking any of those were.....

Were DEAD WRONG.

What needs to happen is now clear.

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

This is the biggest issue of our offense, IMO: it's Kap. But that was expected, right?

It isn't that Kaep isn't willing or good at the short touch pass at all.

Listen to Steve Young.

Its the game planning and coordination of all the pieces.

play calling , we depnd on either VD , Boldin , Gore or Mannigham . anyone else gets the ball mybe fullback somtimes . If we change and play screens and get other players involved .

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

Through 3 quarters Kap was 9/13 for 60+ yds. He was dinking and dunking for the majority of the game.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

This is the biggest issue of our offense, IMO: it's Kap. But that was expected, right?

A pattern I have seen against teams that have very good front 7's is that we DON'T call more dink-dunk type plays. When we beat Seattle last year (first game...we threw the game plan out the window and Alex beat 'em with this...simple flares behind the DL to Walker, Gore, etc.). Now, Seattle again, Indy to a degree, certainly Carolina, the game plan to beat these teams is, quite simply, to dink and dunk them to death, which ironically, is right in line with our philosophy: Win the TOP game, keep their O on the bench, add a rsted great defense and ST with field position. Done.

Nope, we're doing 7 step, all-go patterns facing a blitzing, dominant front 7. Brilliant. It took 2 weeks to come up with this game plan?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

This is the biggest issue of our offense, IMO: it's Kap. But that was expected, right?

A pattern I have seen against teams that have very good front 7's is that we DON'T call more dink-dunk type plays. When we beat Seattle last year (first game...we threw the game plan out the window and Alex beat 'em with this...simple flares behind the DL to Walker, Gore, etc.). Now, Seattle again, Indy to a degree, certainly Carolina, the game plan to beat these teams is, quite simply, to dink and dunk them to death, which ironically, is right in line with our philosophy: Win the TOP game, keep their O on the bench, add a rsted great defense and ST with field position. Done.

Nope, we're doing 7 step, all-go patterns facing a blitzing, dominant front 7. Brilliant. It took 2 weeks to come up with this game plan?

I saw quite a few underneath routes to RB's that were not thrown to. Kap is not checking down. We went from one extreme to another: too many check-downs to not enough. Not enough has allowed us to blow out inferior talent but superior defenses won't make mistakes so you must take what you can get first and then the defense will start moving.

Originally posted by sking20854:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/11/13/5099328/49ers-panthers-all-22-images-offense-kaepernick

Notice all the zone coverage being played by CAR in those All-22 stills (except for in the red zone). All the CBs are looking at Kap, some have their hips turned ready to run downfield. The CBs were always preventing the deep pass, never in a trail position, and always playing over the top of the WRs. Comeback patterns were available. It seems CAR was forcing Kap to dink and dunk, something he has not shown the willingness to do.

Through 3 quarters Kap was 9/13 for 60+ yds. He was dinking and dunking for the majority of the game.

Thanks for that. CAR was not going to get beat on deep throws. That was their MO on defense on that day. It was the sacks that hurt the 49ers more than anything. Those numbers you posted do suggest that Kap was throwing short. Because that was the only play available in most cases.

Originally posted by NCommand:
A pattern I have seen against teams that have very good front 7's is that we DON'T call more dink-dunk type plays. When we beat Seattle last year (first game...we threw the game plan out the window and Alex beat 'em with this...simple flares behind the DL to Walker, Gore, etc.). Now, Seattle again, Indy to a degree, certainly Carolina, the game plan to beat these teams is, quite simply, to dink and dunk them to death, which ironically, is right in line with our philosophy: Win the TOP game, keep their O on the bench, add a rsted great defense and ST with field position. Done.

Nope, we're doing 7 step, all-go patterns facing a blitzing, dominant front 7. Brilliant. It took 2 weeks to come up with this game plan?

its really that simple.
stubborn and arrogant.
instead of using all the personnel we have to be a truly fluid and hybrid offense. roman intentionally limits the team into something anyone can game plan for.
vd deep, boldin intermediate, run with gore. and he enjoys trying to achieve these things in spite of the defense knowing they're coming. instead of changing things around and making the team impossible to plan for.
he's a complete idiot passing wise. period. didn't even have the common sense to keep the offense that was working with the quick passing and getting us down the field. did not have the sense to even do that.

Originally posted by thl408:
Thanks for that. CAR was not going to get beat on deep throws. That was their MO on defense on that day. It was the sacks that hurt the 49ers more than anything. Those numbers you posted do suggest that Kap was throwing short. Because that was the only play available in most cases.

in response we should have ran the ball and dinked and dunked. keep everything in front of you, ok. we get first downs move the chains and now we're in field goal position. its really that simple

I remember when John Elway came into the league, the first couple of years he had a very tough time with the shorter touch passes. Guess what? So does Kaepernick. I hope and pray that Harbaugh/Roman learned something from the last game. Kaepernick simply doesn't have enough time to execute 7 drop passes. I agree with the other posters, we NEED to develop the dink and dunk but make no mistake, this will test CK because it's not his strength.

Obviously the return of Crabtree should help but we need to get Baldwin and Boldin using those big bodies to body up defenders and excel at the 5-10 yard pass. Even more pressure on Roman to draw up these types of plays.

At this point in time, if Roman doesn't change the play calling.....he's toast.

Awful hard to throw a short pass when nobody is running a short route and your in a 7 step drop.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Awful hard to throw a short pass when nobody is running a short route and your in a 7 step drop.

And when you have defenders rushing the QB unblocked. The scheme does not even give players the freedom to adjust their routes to account for the blitz or coverage. At least that's what it looks like.

Yup it looks like you guys are getting it.

I bet Roman/Harbaugh came into the game thinking Carolina was going to be game planned against stopping the run heavy and short game because that is what we have done lately, and decided our game plan would be to go long to outsmart them.

Well they outsmarted us and we didn't adjust.

They thought we would try long and we did, played right into their hands.

That certainly was recognized by Roman/Harbaugh early on but they simply did little to adjust the plan.

They often make great half time adjustments.

This time, very little.