What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

Originally posted by Baldie:
Just heard Greg Cossell on KNBR......the arguement between Kaep and Wilson, Wilson is a much better pocket passer than Kaep and Wilson is playign behind an injured OL. Kaep is still learning. Also he has to learn how to throw receivers open or throw in anticipation that the receiver will be open. Right now he has no confidence (which we already know). Greg also said there is now way we win a SB without a passing game, not in today's NFL. To summarize our game against the Saints.....we're not going to win unless the offense can create explosive plays.

You can stop right there. However, the analysis goes much deeper. Darrell Bevell is a much more experienced, more effective play caller than Greg Roman. From the beginning Wilson was taught to look for multiple options. My goodness, does anyone think Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate are every going to even be included on a Pro Bowl ballot, much less elected to one. Jermaine Kearse, in his second season has averaged 18.9/catch with 4 TDs, and he is the #3 receiver. Zach Miller is the reliable TE that I hope McDonald will be someday. He is the safety valve and more. All of which gives Wilson a leg up on Kaepernick before they start.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1199-why-i-wont-blame-kaepernick/

loved every second of this

Originally posted by SF9er05:
exactly its like lining up Wes Welker as your flanker or split end and expecting the same results, he is a slot reciever and NE and DEN utilitize him this way. We can keep cutting players and saying this guy this, this guy cant do that but what it really comes down to is coaching and we should be the biggest testament to this (see. Smith, Alex) remember what everone said pre Harbaugh and look what happened we played to his strengths and asked him to stay within himself and he started to blossom.

exactly the point. we don't have the personnel to run these long developing routes. we have quick hitting wr's

if anyone would like to take a look at the offense we could be running, look at the broncos offense. quick hitting patterns usually crossing or out routes with guys who aren't really fast.

and then they throw a deep pass every now and then.

and have scored off of simple screen passes that the wr's were able to take to the house.

we have the personnel to run this type of offense AND on top of that kill you with a unstoppable run game

AND run 2 te sets and kill you that way

there's no excuse for the lack of use for our players that we have. it speaks to the real issue which is when it comes to running when he does decide to run he's really good at it.

anything else when it comes to being imaginative or multiple personnel options on passing plays he has no clue.

he proves it every week he has no clue how to do it. there is a reason he's still here and not somewhere else as the head coach, it aint loyalty

Originally posted by real9erfan:
To deny Harbaugh's role in the development of the QB's that played for him is not very objective. Also, how exactly did Alex Smith begin his resurrection after the hiring of Mike Johnson as OC? Have you gone back and looked at some of the games Alex played then? Jim Harbaugh did a great job in playing to Alex Smith's strengths and hiding his weaknesses. Alex never had the type of success he had when Harbaugh was here. So while there is no doubt that Harbaugh has to do his part in improving this Niner pass offense, credit has to be given where it is due.

I am only looking at the before and after.

Yes, I have looked at Alex Smith before and after. Before Jimmy Raye and after (with Mike Johnson sequencing and calling the plays). Under Johnson his rating was 91 (overall 82 for the season). In 2011 it was 90. 2012 was 104. Clearly 2012 was higher but I would argue that was more the function of the rest of the team learning the offense well (Crabtree had his first full set of OTAs and training camp) and allowing Smith to do his thing. So Harbaugh had something to do with Smith's success but to say that "he turned his career around" is naively ignorant. (not say that is what you are doing)

But even if we are to accept that Harbaugh played a pivotal role in Johnson, Luck and Smith, where are the results with Colin Kaepernick? I know CK is a bright kid. I live within 20 miles of where he grew up and many people affirm he was a good student, very aware of his situation and concerned with others. He is not a "dumb jock." So either all that we know about Kaepernick's background is not accurate or he isn't getting effective coaching and being put in good situations on the field.

I blame Harbaugh. He is the guy with "HC" after his name. It all starts and ends with him. Roman doesn't call any plays or puts up game plans that Harbaugh does not approve. Just because he is miles better than Singletary doesn't mean he is some elite coach. He inherited a talented squad. He didn't develop it from nothing. I would put him somewhere between 7 and 10 in a list of NFL coaches. Good, not great. Time to step up.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by SF9er05:
exactly its like lining up Wes Welker as your flanker or split end and expecting the same results, he is a slot reciever and NE and DEN utilitize him this way. We can keep cutting players and saying this guy this, this guy cant do that but what it really comes down to is coaching and we should be the biggest testament to this (see. Smith, Alex) remember what everone said pre Harbaugh and look what happened we played to his strengths and asked him to stay within himself and he started to blossom.

exactly the point. we don't have the personnel to run these long developing routes. we have quick hitting wr's

if anyone would like to take a look at the offense we could be running, look at the broncos offense. quick hitting patterns usually crossing or out routes with guys who aren't really fast.

and then they throw a deep pass every now and then.

and have scored off of simple screen passes that the wr's were able to take to the house.

we have the personnel to run this type of offense AND on top of that kill you with a unstoppable run game

AND run 2 te sets and kill you that way

there's no excuse for the lack of use for our players that we have. it speaks to the real issue which is when it comes to running when he does decide to run he's really good at it.

anything else when it comes to being imaginative or multiple personnel options on passing plays he has no clue.

he proves it every week he has no clue how to do it. there is a reason he's still here and not somewhere else as the head coach, it aint loyalty

Ive said the same thing about Roman, there is a reason for 2 years we have advanced deep into the playoffs and no team has called knocking down the doors yet. The talking heads on tv give him waaaaaaaaaay more credit than he deserves at this point all we can hope for is that some team is desparate enough to hire this guy and we can move forward.

A lot of us mention the lack of slant patterns, but a few are run. The route I never see is utilized is the crossing route. Honest question, when was the last time the 49ers completed a crossing route? Any idea why they never run crossing routes? It seems like a high percentage play with possible RAC.

Originally posted by thl408:
A lot of us mention the lack of slant patterns, but a few are run. The route I never see is utilized is the crossing route. Honest question, when was the last time the 49ers completed a crossing route? Any idea why they never run crossing routes? It seems like a high percentage play with possible RAC.

they ran one sunday the first one I have seen this year however it was called back they called a pick on Anquan

Originally posted by thl408:
A lot of us mention the lack of slant patterns, but a few are run. The route I never see is utilized is the crossing route. Honest question, when was the last time the 49ers completed a crossing route? Any idea why they never run crossing routes? It seems like a high percentage play with possible RAC.

Remember the days of the crossing pattern using the ref as a shield? Ohhh, those worked every time!

Krap. Fo sho.

Originally posted by SF9er05:

Originally posted by thl408:
A lot of us mention the lack of slant patterns, but a few are run. The route I never see is utilized is the crossing route. Honest question, when was the last time the 49ers completed a crossing route? Any idea why they never run crossing routes? It seems like a high percentage play with possible RAC.

they ran one sunday the first one I have seen this year however it was called back they called a pick on Anquan

It was a great result without the penalty of course just need to work on timing of play but effective imo and add more screens

Kap's inexperience/consistency to go through multiple reads

Kap was given elite status without actually proving he could be a pocket passer, defense reader, or even the ability to perform under big time pressure. Now that the league has exposed how to keep his running in check, on to step two??? The question is who is that guy on the bench that is going to push him to the next level, Colt McCoy. I think not. Jim Harbaugh didn't gain success on this team in spite of Alex Smith. He did it with the help of a quarterback that had been through many trials and experiences on a professional level. He could read defenses better than Kap and was cooler under pressure. Get Kap to that level and maybe you get consistency. Until then the super bowl is just talk. Some guys have all the talent in that world but they just never get it. Kap should stop kissing his muscles and start kissing some lessons on the sidelines like the elite ones do.

Originally posted by REALISTIC:

Kap was given elite status without actually proving he could be a pocket passer, defense reader, or even the ability to perform under big time pressure. Now that the league has exposed how to keep his running in check, on to step two??? The question is who is that guy on the bench that is going to push him to the next level, Colt McCoy. I think not. Jim Harbaugh didn't gain success on this team in spite of Alex Smith. He did it with the help of a quarterback that had been through many trials and experiences on a professional level. He could read defenses better than Kap and was cooler under pressure. Get Kap to that level and maybe you get consistency. Until then the super bowl is just talk. Some guys have all the talent in that world but they just never get it. Kap should stop kissing his muscles and start kissing some lessons on the sidelines like the elite ones do.

Dude we went to the SB just last season! With the same QB!

Originally posted by REALISTIC:
Kap was given elite status without actually proving he could be a pocket passer, defense reader, or even the ability to perform under big time pressure. Now that the league has exposed how to keep his running in check, on to step two??? The question is who is that guy on the bench that is going to push him to the next level, Colt McCoy. I think not. Jim Harbaugh didn't gain success on this team in spite of Alex Smith. He did it with the help of a quarterback that had been through many trials and experiences on a professional level. He could read defenses better than Kap and was cooler under pressure. Get Kap to that level and maybe you get consistency. Until then the super bowl is just talk. Some guys have all the talent in that world but they just never get it. Kap should stop kissing his muscles and start kissing some lessons on the sidelines like the elite ones do.

lmao

we need a separate category of niner fans who think kaps failures is due to his "sideline behavior".

just can't make this s**t up

OK then how about his on the field play? The defenses have an answer, where is the play to counter that?