What is the real problem with this offensive offense?

Just heard Greg Cossell on KNBR......the arguement between Kaep and Wilson, Wilson is a much better pocket passer than Kaep and Wilson is playign behind an injured OL. Kaep is still learning. Also he has to learn how to throw receivers open or throw in anticipation that the receiver will be open. Right now he has no confidence (which we already know). Greg also said there is now way we win a SB without a passing game, not in today's NFL. To summarize our game against the Saints.....we're not going to win unless the offense can create explosive plays.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I understand your point, but this is not true. I know because I've watched the game that McDonald was used both deep and as outlet in the Car game. Kaep didn't go to McDonald on one critical play late in the game that I remember. McDonald was open as an outlet about 5 yds out. Had Kaep went to McDonald, he would be open enough to get the extra 2 for the 1st down. Kaep overthrown Boldin on that play instead.

that might very well be true. the fact you can pinpoint when it happened, because they don't happen often. that's the problem. due to the way the scheme is there is pretty much no margin for error. we can go through a game and say ok this play here. and that play there. but those options only appear in those instances and if he doesn't hit them then it costs us because we don't repeat them. that's the problem. its not too much for us to expect him to hit on these check downs and other targets however if there's only 1 opportunity per game for these types of plays.. that's unrealistic to think he will be money on every single one.

does it mean he can't do better, yes he can do WAY BETTER but he has to have these options continuous. that's my point

these things have to repeat and repeat and repeat so that we can't just go ok on this one play in this position he missed this, and then neglect that, that opportunity and play probably wasn't called again.

he has a better chance of completing these plays if he sees it 10 times where the option is there as opposed to 1 or 2 times...

like the macdonald play. it was 1 shot, 1 shot for the game essentially, no times before or after that. and if he doesn't get that 1 shot then all is lost.. .
that is not how a passing game should operate. if macdonald beat the lb once why wouldn't he be able to beat him again? why wouldn't they go back to something

that's the huge problem. you have something, he missed the opportunity like all qb's do, and then you don't go to it ever again to try and get something that was open and this time connect it.. if he misses once then that's it for the entire play type.. and that's ridiculous.

how many times have we seen teams or the elite qb's or even the ones that they say are way better than kap miss a deep pass or a play that was open
AND THEN proceed to go back to it again because it works it just wasn't executed. its as if it doesn't work the 1 time due to execution then they just cross it out...

do it again and this time HIT on the play.. give the team another shot to convert it....

Originally posted by Baldie:
Just heard Greg Cossell on KNBR......the arguement between Kaep and Wilson, Wilson is a much better pocket passer than Kaep and Wilson is playign behind an injured OL. Kaep is still learning. Also he has to learn how to throw receivers open or throw in anticipation that the receiver will be open. Right now he has no confidence (which we already know). Greg also said there is now way we win a SB without a passing game, not in today's NFL. To summarize our game against the Saints.....we're not going to win unless the offense can create explosive plays.

just off of play design alone i disagree with that.
we need to reserve who is better at what maybe until we get a coordinator who is capable of scheming for multiple people to be open on every passing play.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I understand your point, but this is not true. I know because I've watched the game that McDonald was used both deep and as outlet in the Car game. Kaep didn't go to McDonald on one critical play late in the game that I remember. McDonald was open as an outlet about 5 yds out. Had Kaep went to McDonald, he would be open enough to get the extra 2 for the 1st down. Kaep overthrown Boldin on that play instead.

that might very well be true. the fact you can pinpoint when it happened, because they don't happen often. that's the problem. due to the way the scheme is there is pretty much no margin for error. we can go through a game and say ok this play here. and that play there. but those options only appear in those instances and if he doesn't hit them then it costs us because we don't repeat them. that's the problem. its not too much for us to expect him to hit on these check downs and other targets however if there's only 1 opportunity per game for these types of plays.. that's unrealistic to think he will be money on every single one.

does it mean he can't do better, yes he can do WAY BETTER but he has to have these options continuous. that's my point

these things have to repeat and repeat and repeat so that we can't just go ok on this one play in this position he missed this, and then neglect that, that opportunity and play probably wasn't called again.

he has a better chance of completing these plays if he sees it 10 times where the option is there as opposed to 1 or 2 times...

like the macdonald play. it was 1 shot, 1 shot for the game essentially, no times before or after that. and if he doesn't get that 1 shot then all is lost.. .
that is not how a passing game should operate. if macdonald beat the lb once why wouldn't he be able to beat him again? why wouldn't they go back to something

that's the huge problem. you have something, he missed the opportunity like all qb's do, and then you don't go to it ever again to try and get something that was open and this time connect it.. if he misses once then that's it for the entire play type.. and that's ridiculous.

how many times have we seen teams or the elite qb's or even the ones that they say are way better than kap miss a deep pass or a play that was open
AND THEN proceed to go back to it again because it works it just wasn't executed. its as if it doesn't work the 1 time due to execution then they just cross it out...

do it again and this time HIT on the play.. give the team another shot to convert it....

Actually there were more check down plays that Kaep took in the first half. They weren't just few and far in between like you've indicated. This touched on something that may be true of Kaep, which is -- he's young so a bit impatient, especially late in the game needing to make something happen. He wants to make the play, instead of starting out the drive a chip at a time. String together some high percentage throws into 1st downs. Get the offense out of the deep hole backed up against their own end zone first, then go after the defense with a deep throw when you know the defense can't be aggressive like at the middle of the field.

That's what Kaep is missing right now. A bit of patience.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Actually there were more check down plays that Kaep took in the first half. They weren't just few and far in between like you've indicated. This touched on something that may be true of Kaep, which is -- he's young so a bit impatient, especially late in the game needing to make something happen. He wants to make the play, instead of starting out the drive a chip at a time. String together some high percentage throws into 1st downs. Get the offense out of the deep hole backed up against their own end zone first, then go after the defense with a deep throw when you know the defense can't be aggressive like at the middle of the field.

That's what Kaep is missing right now. A bit of patience.

i can agree with that.

Can someone please show me some video evidence of all these ghost-like deep passes I keep hearing about?

It is quite shocking that HaRoMan don't utilize the shorter passing plays to help dvelop a rhythm (except for that ONE Miller play) esp. against a team that is bringing heat successfully, b/c really, that is the philosophy of this offense...ground-focused game complimented by a nice, controlled, high percentage passing game that keeps the chains moving and the other team's offense on the bench (i.e. win the TOP game). It's run or intermediate pass almost 100% of the time.

funny how on around the horn all 4 columnist just defended kap and said that he really hasn't had a 2nd option and this wr core isn't one that any really good team would want.

but here that's not the case lol.

we have wr's that are best in quick hitting plays scheme that.
let them get in space and run.
how hard is that to do? apparently really hard. we have the worst offensive coordinator in the nfl when it comes to passing that can't be disputed.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Can someone please show me some video evidence of all these ghost-like deep passes I keep hearing about?

It is quite shocking that HaRoMan don't utilize the shorter passing plays to help dvelop a rhythm (except for that ONE Miller play) esp. against a team that is bringing heat successfully, b/c really, that is the philosophy of this offense...ground-focused game complimented by a nice, controlled, high percentage passing game that keeps the chains moving and the other team's offense on the bench (i.e. win the TOP game). It's run or intermediate pass almost 100% of the time.

they don't care about rhythm when its the most important thing that a qb can have.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1199-why-i-wont-blame-kaepernick/

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
- the playcalling shouldn't get away from the run when it is working.. otherwise, it is fine and being scapegoated for poor player execution...

- I don't think it is at all as simple as to suggest that when Miller trots onto the field, we are showing our hand in running intent...

- RZ confidence and aggression is low, and the coaches need to go for it on 4th and goal in situations like the Carolina game...

- The weapons are fine... WRs/TEs can make up for lack of speed with sharp double moves, convincing play-action, and jump-ball situations that they are simply not getting chances to make.


- the biggest problem is that the 2012 Kaep is not showing himself. In 2012, he was having fun and relaxed. 2013 Kaep seems remarkably stressed and tense. He seems afraid to make a mistake... and his hesitations are causing him to not release the ball... not find open targets... and he is overly reliant on his athleticism to evade and escape the pocket to run. Well, defenses are being more disciplined, and those runs are not nearly as effective.

He CAN get this worked out. He HAS the ability to be a star. He just needs to relax... and better learn to trust his targets and what he sees from the D-coverage.

I believe in him... but while he is struggling through these issues, I refuse to blame everyone around him just because I am desperate to believe he is the Chosen One. And I do pray he is the Chosen One... because the only thing that would tick me off more than "my guy" being replaced by the Chosen One??? is that "my guy" was replaced by a fraud.

This.

I think you are labouring under a mis-understanding that I think Kap is an elite QB. He's not, he could be but he's not there yet. I am not an Alex hater, he had my full support while he played for us, and I have pointed out that the struggles on our offense actually are the same now as when Alex was QB. Our Oline was terrible against the blitz forcing Alex to eat a lot of sacks against the Ravens in 2011 and the Giants in 2012.

That is why I am pointing them out, because they are issues and concerns that have been seen before with a different QB and we had the same issues moving the ball. The porous O Line when pass blocking, the designated receiver - in 2011 Crabtree had 72 catches, Vernon 67 and next up was Williams with 20....

As I said in my post, trotting Miller on means it's almost always a run, but more than that because he doesn't have the pace Walker has we cannot use him with the same versatility, therefore the other team can still put 8 in the box and cover Miller if he leaks out as a check down.

They obviously are two very different QBs yet the offense still struggles. Does that suggest a coaching issue as much as a player issue?

When Smith did not "throw a receiver open" he was chastised for not throwing it away or taking a sack. Now Kaepernick is hesitant when he has a receiver open he is taking sacks and sometimes throwing it away. Same issue.

Everyone from Ray Ratto to Santa Claus (I can't think of any two more different) is blaming lack of quality receivers but Jonathan Baldwin caught 41 passes in two years in KC but can't even get on the field. He has been stuck behind Kyle Williams who is no longer on the team. If Matt Cassell can complete passes to Baldwin, what is wrong with Colin Kaepernick.

I believe a good part of the blame rests on The Great Quarterback Whisperer, Jim Harbaugh. I am no longer buying his resume. Josh Johnson was pretty good at San Diego but couldn't buy a seat on the bus in the NFL. Apparently what Harbaugh taught him had limitations. Andrew Luck was the best HS QB in the nation and he chose Stanford for academics as well as football (2 degrees IIRC). He had a great career there basically marshaling a college power running game with some nice passing. He had two years with Harbaugh and one with Dennis Shaw, during all of which he looked pretty much the same. Now he is with Indy and still doing great. I question how much of his success is credited to Harbaugh. Everyone talks about how Jim Harbaugh "saved" Alex Smith's career when all he did was recognize that Alex was the best option available, and he turned out to be a good one. However, any decent observer will record that Smith's career turned around when Mike Johnson replaced Jimmy Raye, not when Jim Harbaugh arrived. Alex was the same Alex before Harbaugh and is the same one now.

Now we come to Colin Kaepernick who is in his third year and is still having some of the same recognition problems he had in the first games we saw him play here. Yes, getting Crabtree back may help but he has had other receivers open yet failed to spot them and deliver the ball. So I am calling out Harbaugh to prove he is The Great Quarterback Whisperer. If Kaepernick was his handpicked guy (although rumor has it he would have preferred Andy Dalton) then it is time for him to make His Guy into the player we were led to believe he could be. Put a system on the field that includes multiple receivers that are in position to catch the ball, including short safety valves that take the pressure off the QB and allow him to develop.

Yes, the OL has allowed a lot of sacks but any system that spins around 5 and 7 step drops is going to put a lot of pressure in the OL. Go to quick drops with passing plays designed to beat pressure. This isn't rocket science. Just watch what Payton does in NO.

Yes, WR is a relative weakness but when Green Bay lost Finley and Cobb, Andrew Quarless and Jarrett Boykin step in and the machine rolls on. Kyle Williams may have been a false hope (although Alex Smith found him on occasion) but Baldwin shouldn't be. Time to look into the coaches lounge instead of just looking at players. We have become predictable and one-dimensional. Only one area to put that blame.

^^^ hard to argue that!

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
- the playcalling shouldn't get away from the run when it is working.. otherwise, it is fine and being scapegoated for poor player execution...

- I don't think it is at all as simple as to suggest that when Miller trots onto the field, we are showing our hand in running intent...

- RZ confidence and aggression is low, and the coaches need to go for it on 4th and goal in situations like the Carolina game...

- The weapons are fine... WRs/TEs can make up for lack of speed with sharp double moves, convincing play-action, and jump-ball situations that they are simply not getting chances to make.


- the biggest problem is that the 2012 Kaep is not showing himself. In 2012, he was having fun and relaxed. 2013 Kaep seems remarkably stressed and tense. He seems afraid to make a mistake... and his hesitations are causing him to not release the ball... not find open targets... and he is overly reliant on his athleticism to evade and escape the pocket to run. Well, defenses are being more disciplined, and those runs are not nearly as effective.

He CAN get this worked out. He HAS the ability to be a star. He just needs to relax... and better learn to trust his targets and what he sees from the D-coverage.

I believe in him... but while he is struggling through these issues, I refuse to blame everyone around him just because I am desperate to believe he is the Chosen One. And I do pray he is the Chosen One... because the only thing that would tick me off more than "my guy" being replaced by the Chosen One??? is that "my guy" was replaced by a fraud.

This.

I think you are labouring under a mis-understanding that I think Kap is an elite QB. He's not, he could be but he's not there yet. I am not an Alex hater, he had my full support while he played for us, and I have pointed out that the struggles on our offense actually are the same now as when Alex was QB. Our Oline was terrible against the blitz forcing Alex to eat a lot of sacks against the Ravens in 2011 and the Giants in 2012.

That is why I am pointing them out, because they are issues and concerns that have been seen before with a different QB and we had the same issues moving the ball. The porous O Line when pass blocking, the designated receiver - in 2011 Crabtree had 72 catches, Vernon 67 and next up was Williams with 20....

As I said in my post, trotting Miller on means it's almost always a run, but more than that because he doesn't have the pace Walker has we cannot use him with the same versatility, therefore the other team can still put 8 in the box and cover Miller if he leaks out as a check down.

They obviously are two very different QBs yet the offense still struggles. Does that suggest a coaching issue as much as a player issue?

When Smith did not "throw a receiver open" he was chastised for not throwing it away or taking a sack. Now Kaepernick is hesitant when he has a receiver open he is taking sacks and sometimes throwing it away. Same issue.

Everyone from Ray Ratto to Santa Claus (I can't think of any two more different) is blaming lack of quality receivers but Jonathan Baldwin caught 41 passes in two years in KC but can't even get on the field. He has been stuck behind Kyle Williams who is no longer on the team. If Matt Cassell can complete passes to Baldwin, what is wrong with Colin Kaepernick.

I believe a good part of the blame rests on The Great Quarterback Whisperer, Jim Harbaugh. I am no longer buying his resume. Josh Johnson was pretty good at San Diego but couldn't buy a seat on the bus in the NFL. Apparently what Harbaugh taught him had limitations. Andrew Luck was the best HS QB in the nation and he chose Stanford for academics as well as football (2 degrees IIRC). He had a great career there basically marshaling a college power running game with some nice passing. He had two years with Harbaugh and one with Dennis Shaw, during all of which he looked pretty much the same. Now he is with Indy and still doing great. I question how much of his success is credited to Harbaugh. Everyone talks about how Jim Harbaugh "saved" Alex Smith's career when all he did was recognize that Alex was the best option available, and he turned out to be a good one. However, any decent observer will record that Smith's career turned around when Mike Johnson replaced Jimmy Raye, not when Jim Harbaugh arrived. Alex was the same Alex before Harbaugh and is the same one now.

Now we come to Colin Kaepernick who is in his third year and is still having some of the same recognition problems he had in the first games we saw him play here. Yes, getting Crabtree back may help but he has had other receivers open yet failed to spot them and deliver the ball. So I am calling out Harbaugh to prove he is The Great Quarterback Whisperer. If Kaepernick was his handpicked guy (although rumor has it he would have preferred Andy Dalton) then it is time for him to make His Guy into the player we were led to believe he could be. Put a system on the field that includes multiple receivers that are in position to catch the ball, including short safety valves that take the pressure off the QB and allow him to develop.

Yes, the OL has allowed a lot of sacks but any system that spins around 5 and 7 step drops is going to put a lot of pressure in the OL. Go to quick drops with passing plays designed to beat pressure. This isn't rocket science. Just watch what Payton does in NO.

Yes, WR is a relative weakness but when Green Bay lost Finley and Cobb, Andrew Quarless and Jarrett Boykin step in and the machine rolls on. Kyle Williams may have been a false hope (although Alex Smith found him on occasion) but Baldwin shouldn't be. Time to look into the coaches lounge instead of just looking at players. We have become predictable and one-dimensional. Only one area to put that blame.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There is evidence of guys leaving the Niners and going to at least see the field for other teams. And I am not just talking about guys that left in the offseason, but guys that have been cut during the season. Lockett is helping up there in Seattle. I saw Marlon Moore on the field for Miami last night. I pray that they really do start changing their approach on handling personnel, and also play calling. Baalke has to be going crazy to see that none of the draft choices on offense are ever used.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Can someone please show me some video evidence of all these ghost-like deep passes I keep hearing about?

It is quite shocking that HaRoMan don't utilize the shorter passing plays to help dvelop a rhythm (except for that ONE Miller play) esp. against a team that is bringing heat successfully, b/c really, that is the philosophy of this offense...ground-focused game complimented by a nice, controlled, high percentage passing game that keeps the chains moving and the other team's offense on the bench (i.e. win the TOP game). It's run or intermediate pass almost 100% of the time.

its non existant we go away from the short passes for 6-7 yd gains, on Sunday we threw a slant to MM and a WR screen to KW both gained positive yards but should have been used earlier in the game, he went to short intermediate passes with the game on the line instead of coming out from the beginning and taking what the defense is giving us. So this goes to the arguement, I dont care if its KW, MM, Crabs if we traded for Gordon, if we have a certain personel grouping why dont we call plays to our strengths? its on Roman

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
- the playcalling shouldn't get away from the run when it is working.. otherwise, it is fine and being scapegoated for poor player execution...

- I don't think it is at all as simple as to suggest that when Miller trots onto the field, we are showing our hand in running intent...

- RZ confidence and aggression is low, and the coaches need to go for it on 4th and goal in situations like the Carolina game...

- The weapons are fine... WRs/TEs can make up for lack of speed with sharp double moves, convincing play-action, and jump-ball situations that they are simply not getting chances to make.


- the biggest problem is that the 2012 Kaep is not showing himself. In 2012, he was having fun and relaxed. 2013 Kaep seems remarkably stressed and tense. He seems afraid to make a mistake... and his hesitations are causing him to not release the ball... not find open targets... and he is overly reliant on his athleticism to evade and escape the pocket to run. Well, defenses are being more disciplined, and those runs are not nearly as effective.

He CAN get this worked out. He HAS the ability to be a star. He just needs to relax... and better learn to trust his targets and what he sees from the D-coverage.

I believe in him... but while he is struggling through these issues, I refuse to blame everyone around him just because I am desperate to believe he is the Chosen One. And I do pray he is the Chosen One... because the only thing that would tick me off more than "my guy" being replaced by the Chosen One??? is that "my guy" was replaced by a fraud.

This.

I think you are labouring under a mis-understanding that I think Kap is an elite QB. He's not, he could be but he's not there yet. I am not an Alex hater, he had my full support while he played for us, and I have pointed out that the struggles on our offense actually are the same now as when Alex was QB. Our Oline was terrible against the blitz forcing Alex to eat a lot of sacks against the Ravens in 2011 and the Giants in 2012.

That is why I am pointing them out, because they are issues and concerns that have been seen before with a different QB and we had the same issues moving the ball. The porous O Line when pass blocking, the designated receiver - in 2011 Crabtree had 72 catches, Vernon 67 and next up was Williams with 20....

As I said in my post, trotting Miller on means it's almost always a run, but more than that because he doesn't have the pace Walker has we cannot use him with the same versatility, therefore the other team can still put 8 in the box and cover Miller if he leaks out as a check down.

They obviously are two very different QBs yet the offense still struggles. Does that suggest a coaching issue as much as a player issue?

When Smith did not "throw a receiver open" he was chastised for not throwing it away or taking a sack. Now Kaepernick is hesitant when he has a receiver open he is taking sacks and sometimes throwing it away. Same issue.

Everyone from Ray Ratto to Santa Claus (I can't think of any two more different) is blaming lack of quality receivers but Jonathan Baldwin caught 41 passes in two years in KC but can't even get on the field. He has been stuck behind Kyle Williams who is no longer on the team. If Matt Cassell can complete passes to Baldwin, what is wrong with Colin Kaepernick.

I believe a good part of the blame rests on The Great Quarterback Whisperer, Jim Harbaugh. I am no longer buying his resume. Josh Johnson was pretty good at San Diego but couldn't buy a seat on the bus in the NFL. Apparently what Harbaugh taught him had limitations. Andrew Luck was the best HS QB in the nation and he chose Stanford for academics as well as football (2 degrees IIRC). He had a great career there basically marshaling a college power running game with some nice passing. He had two years with Harbaugh and one with Dennis Shaw, during all of which he looked pretty much the same. Now he is with Indy and still doing great. I question how much of his success is credited to Harbaugh. Everyone talks about how Jim Harbaugh "saved" Alex Smith's career when all he did was recognize that Alex was the best option available, and he turned out to be a good one. However, any decent observer will record that Smith's career turned around when Mike Johnson replaced Jimmy Raye, not when Jim Harbaugh arrived. Alex was the same Alex before Harbaugh and is the same one now.

Now we come to Colin Kaepernick who is in his third year and is still having some of the same recognition problems he had in the first games we saw him play here. Yes, getting Crabtree back may help but he has had other receivers open yet failed to spot them and deliver the ball. So I am calling out Harbaugh to prove he is The Great Quarterback Whisperer. If Kaepernick was his handpicked guy (although rumor has it he would have preferred Andy Dalton) then it is time for him to make His Guy into the player we were led to believe he could be. Put a system on the field that includes multiple receivers that are in position to catch the ball, including short safety valves that take the pressure off the QB and allow him to develop.

Yes, the OL has allowed a lot of sacks but any system that spins around 5 and 7 step drops is going to put a lot of pressure in the OL. Go to quick drops with passing plays designed to beat pressure. This isn't rocket science. Just watch what Payton does in NO.

Yes, WR is a relative weakness but when Green Bay lost Finley and Cobb, Andrew Quarless and Jarrett Boykin step in and the machine rolls on. Kyle Williams may have been a false hope (although Alex Smith found him on occasion) but Baldwin shouldn't be. Time to look into the coaches lounge instead of just looking at players. We have become predictable and one-dimensional. Only one area to put that blame.

Couldn't have said it better myself. There is evidence of guys leaving the Niners and going to at least see the field for other teams. And I am not just talking about guys that left in the offseason, but guys that have been cut during the season. Lockett is helping up there in Seattle. I saw Marlon Moore on the field for Miami last night. I pray that they really do start changing their approach on handling personnel, and also play calling. Baalke has to be going crazy to see that none of the draft choices on offense are ever used.

Oh come on. What is Lockett helping with exactly up in Seattle? And Marlon Moore also saw the field with the Niners; he just didn't do much here, just as he isn't doing much in Miami. What is AJ Jenkins doing in KC? The only player I see being a lot more productive on a different team is Ted Ginn. In any case, I agree somewhat that Harbaugh needs to show he is capable of helping Kap improve his play on the field. But he can't do everything for Kap; at some point Kap has to be held responsible for his end. They clearly have dumbed down the offense for him and are giving him very defined looks to make things simpler. Yet he is still struggling and turning in duds against decent defenses.

And as for the revisionist history regarding Harbaugh's work with QB's, I think it's a little off the mark. To deny Harbaugh's role in the development of the QB's that played for him is not very objective. Also, how exactly did Alex Smith begin his resurrection after the hiring of Mike Johnson as OC? Have you gone back and looked at some of the games Alex played then? Jim Harbaugh did a great job in playing to Alex Smith's strengths and hiding his weaknesses. Alex never had the type of success he had when Harbaugh was here. So while there is no doubt that Harbaugh has to do his part in improving this Niner pass offense, credit has to be given where it is due.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
funny how on around the horn all 4 columnist just defended kap and said that he really hasn't had a 2nd option and this wr core isn't one that any really good team would want.

but here that's not the case lol.

we have wr's that are best in quick hitting plays scheme that.
let them get in space and run.
how hard is that to do? apparently really hard. we have the worst offensive coordinator in the nfl when it comes to passing that can't be disputed.

exactly its like lining up Wes Welker as your flanker or split end and expecting the same results, he is a slot reciever and NE and DEN utilitize him this way. We can keep cutting players and saying this guy this, this guy cant do that but what it really comes down to is coaching and we should be the biggest testament to this (see. Smith, Alex) remember what everone said pre Harbaugh and look what happened we played to his strengths and asked him to stay within himself and he started to blossom.