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Nov 24, 2011 at 9:11 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pagano's defense=frequent blitzes, 9 sacks, and intense pressure in the quarterbacks face all the time.

Fangio's defense=Watch Flacco sit back in the pocket for 5 or 6 seconds, take his time picking the defense apart and moving the ball up the field, zero sacks for the day and basically zero blitzes utilized.


Call it whatever you want, Pagano had a much better gameplan than Fangio did.

And yet Fangio and his non-blitzing scheme has us with the best defense in the league right now...but no, you're right, we should blow up the entire defensive system/scheme.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:12 PM
Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pagano's defense=frequent blitzes, 9 sacks, and intense pressure in the quarterbacks face all the time.

Fangio's defense=Watch Flacco sit back in the pocket for 5 or 6 seconds, take his time picking the defense apart and moving the ball up the field, zero sacks for the day and basically zero blitzes utilized.


Call it whatever you want, Pagano had a much better gameplan than Fangio did.

And yet Fangio and his non-blitzing scheme has us with the best defense in the league right now...but no, you're right, we should blow up the entire defensive system/scheme.

When it works great but when it's not working you have to adjust it. #1 run defense......near bottom ranked pass defense
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Fangio did this in the Dallas game too. Didn't bring enough pressure on Romo. Gotta gamble at some points on 3rd down. Flacco has lead feet - he's an easy target back there that we didn't take advantage of.

If your offensive struggles as much as it did tonight, you have to blitz and try to force a turnover - sack/fumble, INT off pressure, etc.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:14 PM
Given that the Ravens are fairly well versed in dealing with the blitz due to their longstanding war with the Steelers, I think we made the correct decision to run a D that limited the amount of damage that Baltimore was able to do with the long ball. At the end of the day, the strategy worked! We held them to 16 and in a normal game this season, we win the game. Unfortunately the offense was overwhelmed by an exceptional defense tonight.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM
Originally posted by andes14:
And yet Fangio and his non-blitzing scheme has us with the best defense in the league right now...but no, you're right, we should blow up the entire defensive system/scheme.

Right, because mixing in a few blitzes and changing things up every now and then when you see what you're doing isn't working = blowing up the entire defensive system.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LAFortyNinerfan:
Fangio had nothing to do with the jail break that occurred every time we snapped the ball on offense. If it weren't from that lame inference call on Brown's pick, the ravens wouldn't have even gotten the 16 points our defense gave them. Fangio is the last person to blame here.

Ask yourself this, why is it Baltimore could cause all sorts of mayhem and attack the 49ers offense while Flacco was hardly touched and had all day to pass against the 49ers defense?

Because fangio wasn't playing against our offensive line. Again, we gave up only 16 points and that was with a clean pick being called back. At the end of the day, all that matters is the amount of points given up and our defense did their job. How many games does anyone expect us to win only scoring 6 points?
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Fangio did this in the Dallas game too. Didn't bring enough pressure on Romo. Gotta gamble at some points on 3rd down. Flacco has lead feet - he's an easy target back there that we didn't take advantage of.

If your offensive struggles as much as it did tonight, you have to blitz and try to force a turnover - sack/fumble, INT off pressure, etc.

And late in the Giants game and if not for Manningham's dropped pass, 49ers could have been looking at their 3rd loss tonight. His defense is normally fine but when its not working and the quarterback has forever to throw the ball, instead of flailing around or hoping for the secondary to bail them out, Fangio needs to be able to adjust and make plays.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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Fangio doesn't like to bring the house....through the first 10 games we were able to get pressure with 4 guys. I agree we should have brought more guys but that leaves holes open in the secondary. Fangio was trying to play safe and hoped we would get a turnover in the passing game.

The niners played like the little brother tonite....but doesn't mean we should start from scratch again. We lost....no shame in that. Get ready for the next game and this loss makes us better.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM
This game just sucked! But our D wasnt the worst part, our line can learn a lot from this game. At the end of the day tho, we had a game on the other side of the country that we had two days to prep for, and they knew most of our plays. We will be ok, there is a lot to be learned from this game for a team like ours that is right on the cusp. And we totally need to cut Chilo as soon as the plain touches down in SF! GO NINERS!!! 14-2!
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM
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I felt like we lacked ENERGY tonite.......maybe the short week....but not making excuses.

Nov 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM
Originally posted by niners94:
Lol. Really??? That was a good defensive performance. The offense was why we lost.

The offense didn't help but no sacks, barely n-e pressure, & not calling plays to get flacco & co off da field to me is bad. Jus like they made our offense look bad, we should have made theirs look bad but we didn't & they picked us apart kinda.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:20 PM
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Missed tackles to........the one that pops out is the Whitner missed tackle that got them the first down.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM
Fangio out coached....? No, totally disagree. The defense did a good job holding them to 16 points. The Ravens have a very good receiving corps. Plus Rice. We did a good job keeping the score low to be in the game. It's the offense that got owned today by the Ravens.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM ]
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And late in the Giants game and if not for Manningham's dropped pass, 49ers could have been looking at their 3rd loss tonight. His defense is normally fine but when its not working and the quarterback has forever to throw the ball, instead of flailing around or hoping for the secondary to bail them out, Fangio needs to be able to adjust and make plays.

Exactly. I'm not saying they need a totally new scheme. Just that at somepoint you have to adjust and bring pressure.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:26 PM
Originally posted by Schulzy:
Fangio did this in the Dallas game too. Didn't bring enough pressure on Romo. Gotta gamble at some points on 3rd down. Flacco has lead feet - he's an easy target back there that we didn't take advantage of.

If your offensive struggles as much as it did tonight, you have to blitz and try to force a turnover - sack/fumble, INT off pressure, etc.

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