Can we give some props to Trent Baalke?

Originally posted by phiLthyphiL:

Cutt Brett Swain and go after Mike Sims-Walker. Not sure why he fell out of favor so fast in St. Louis, but he's a more reliable receiver than Tedd Ginn, Kyle Williams, etc.

Walker is already headed back to Jacksonville.

Originally posted by sean610:
Even though I have dreamt the last few nights about picking up a Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe in a trade either one of those guys would be beast on our offense. But like a few said I think Baalke has to resist temptation unless there is something too good to pass up. Add in that we still dont know how good Braylon will be no need to lose picks in April. I think alot of folks forget the numbers Braylon put up when he actuallly had decent QB play from Derrick Anderson in Cleveland.

I think Baalke would set up and entertain a D. Bowe or B. Marshall trade. They are big, block well, catch well, and don't complain. I think Harbaalke are constantly looking for players, It will be interesting to see what they do during the bye week to shore up the OLBs if Harolson has significantly hurt his hamstring.

I think they did not get too serious about Lloyd is because of the reason Denver wants to get rid of him and he is not the best blocker in our style of run game. On the other hand getting Edwards back is ideal, great hands, great blocker, and good attittude.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
It's not about fixing something; it's about adding proven depth. We could have bolstered our WR group with Lloyd for a 6th rounder. We could have added Curry as young talented LB depth for what, a 4th?

Not saying it's a huge deal, but I hope the Niners are at least out there today plugged into what certain teams are trying to unload.

Curry is not a special teams ace, so he is not valuable. Plus if he was any good, he wouldn't have been let go. Lloyd was once a niner, have you forgoten what a diva he was and why he was let go. We already have a diva in Crabtree. We don't need a divisive person. Lloyd's contract expires at the end of this year and we will have many proven starters that we will need to resign also. Plus, you look at Edwards, I think the JH wants big strong receivers who can also block. Lloyd is not much of a blocker.

Again you get people who fit your program and not get people just because they may have talent-has to be both.

Lloyd wouldnt of made a difference.

One good season and all of a sudden he is an elite WR.

Curry is a bust. And who would he play over? Not Brooks, not Parys and def not over Aldon.

Originally posted by samoan49er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:

Originally posted by JREED23:
Asante Samuel is available, NFL.com says they are looking for players not picks and they are hurting at LB and Dline. I Don't want to give up anyone we have that they might be interested in - Bowman, J. Smith, Aldon Smith... nope.

Mathis is interesting, he'd be an upgrade over McDonald if we ran a 4-3, but we don't and I don't like his size in our 3-4 scheme.

Depth in the secondary is a premium. I would do it.

Haralson and Spencer for Samuel??

f**k the eagles, im not giving them anything of substance for someone they'll probably cut during the offseason or they can just continue to take his high cap hit which i doubt they do. i'll give them haralson and thats it, when healthy spencer has value to go against the bigger wrs.

Originally posted by Baldie:
With the way things are going right now for us....don't you think Baalke should try and resign or sign to long term deals to the one year players now? Maybe start negotiating deals for Morgan, Edwards, Rogers, Whitner, etc.? They are playing well now....and if we wait until the end of the season...they might go to other teams for more money. These players love that they are here why not start talking now to avoid the chance of losing them at the end of the season.

The defense is playing lights out and I think we need to keep that core together. It would be nice to keep our current core of WR's together as they are gelling well.

Donte Whitner was signed to a three year deal. Morgan is injured need to see how he comes back from his ankle injury. Rogers is number one, will wait towards the end of the season to see how Edwards plays. Plus we need to resign our LOLB.

Five minutes to go !!!!

Remember Baalke was at Washington when Lloyd played their and was still part of the FO when they got 2 picks for him after 2 horrific seasons with almost zero production. Baalke was more then likely blowing smoke trying to get the Rams to cough up a higher pick.

Seriously, i wouldn't waste any picks on Lloyd, the fool has no YAC. All the highlights i've seen so far are where he goes down right after he catched the ball. I rather go after Reggie Wayne instead.

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
We seems to have a difference of opinion on the value of a 6th round pick, which I see as very hit or miss. By contrast, I would hold onto 2nd and 3rd round picks like my firstborn son. I actually do think it's worth it for 10 games (you keep forgetting the playoffs) of production from a proven WR, the weakest part of our game right now.

i disagree with this! niners are known for blowing our 2nd rounder on garbage... example taylor mays. also our late round picks have been awesome key roll players for us.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
It's not about fixing something; it's about adding proven depth. We could have bolstered our WR group with Lloyd for a 6th rounder. We could have added Curry as young talented LB depth for what, a 4th?

Not saying it's a huge deal, but I hope the Niners are at least out there today plugged into what certain teams are trying to unload.

Curry is not a special teams ace, so he is not valuable. Plus if he was any good, he wouldn't have been let go. Lloyd was once a niner, have you forgoten what a diva he was and why he was let go. We already have a diva in Crabtree. We don't need a divisive person. Lloyd's contract expires at the end of this year and we will have many proven starters that we will need to resign also. Plus, you look at Edwards, I think the JH wants big strong receivers who can also block. Lloyd is not much of a blocker.

Again you get people who fit your program and not get people just because they may have talent-has to be both.

I agree with what you say about Lloyd. he was the quintessential "diva". Really glad that the team did not get him.

I disagree about Crabtree. He is not a "diva". I think that he is more misunderstood. He is the quiet type and shies away from the media - it makes him seem aloof and stand-offish. He has his team-mates backs though and is not "soft". He could be more of a play-maker if he didn't have an injury-prone foot.

What if the Baalke had sent two first rounders for Carson. Would you be mad.

Originally posted by samoan49er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:

Originally posted by JREED23:
Asante Samuel is available, NFL.com says they are looking for players not picks and they are hurting at LB and Dline. I Don't want to give up anyone we have that they might be interested in - Bowman, J. Smith, Aldon Smith... nope.

Mathis is interesting, he'd be an upgrade over McDonald if we ran a 4-3, but we don't and I don't like his size in our 3-4 scheme.

Depth in the secondary is a premium. I would do it.

Haralson and Spencer for Samuel??

Spencer can still ball. Haralson is great depth. Why would you ever...?!?!

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by 5280High:

Originally posted by valrod33:
We tried trading for Lloyd but he told the Broncos he didnt want to come here

Lloyd doesnt fit this scheme. He is a run to the zone and wait receiver, not the physical presence we want. Great hands, but why waste a 6th round pick for a #3 receiver for 10 games. He is a free agent at the end of the season and with the way this team has been nailing late round picks lately, better off keeping the pick.

Remember we are still building a foundation here, not adding to a championship team. Building for the future does not mean trading draft picks for 10 games of production if he can even pick the offense up fast enough to start after the bye. As a fan I'm not interested in a one year wonder, I want the niners to have a competitive team year in and year out, trading away picks is the opposite of what we should be doing.

We actually offered the Broncos a better package of picks then the Rams gave up but like I said Lloyd told the Broncos he didnt want to come here.

I dont like LLoyd so it doenst bother me none

Yeah that's fair enough. I'm curious where you are learning Lloyd vetoed the Niners. I definitely think we are fine without him, but I think the trade would have helped us.

Someone posted it in the lloyd thread, i dont feel like searching for it

BLloyd is a FA at the end of the season. he wanted to go to a team where he would be the #1 to showcase his talents. he knew that BE was coming back and he'd only be a #3 here at best.

Yep, pretty clear when you decide to go to a winless team instead of one 5-1 that you have a history with. Doesn't want to win, just wants to put up numbers.

Originally posted by samoan49er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:

Originally posted by JREED23:
Asante Samuel is available, NFL.com says they are looking for players not picks and they are hurting at LB and Dline. I Don't want to give up anyone we have that they might be interested in - Bowman, J. Smith, Aldon Smith... nope.

Mathis is interesting, he'd be an upgrade over McDonald if we ran a 4-3, but we don't and I don't like his size in our 3-4 scheme.

Depth in the secondary is a premium. I would do it.

Haralson and Spencer for Samuel??

well yeah, I'd do that, but i doubt they even consider it