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I hope we ae done with the 3-4 expieriment!
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:00 AM
- Kolohe
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God I hope not, Wade Phillips would be a good candidate to fix our 3-4. We're close, we just need a couple more pieces to the puzzle.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:01 AM
- jreff22
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
God I hope not, Wade Phillips would be a good candidate to fix our 3-4. We're close, we just need a couple more pieces to the puzzle.
I wouldn't mind having Wade
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:05 AM
- KID9R
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Originally posted by glorydayz:Originally posted by jreff22:Originally posted by glorydayz:Originally posted by 49ersfan11:
Are you joking?
Nope!
We haven't gotten any heat on the QB since we switched to the 3-4. Our run defense is okay but the pass defense has been terrible
we need a CB and OLB bad
We keep saying this, even after spending a 1st ound pick on Lawson & $80 million on Clements. So at some point we have to look at the scheme!
Tully Banta Cain couldn't do it here, but he is good with the Pats? It's the scheme.
ya and they run a 3-4. Doesn't mean we need to switch just get a couple more players and our scheme. maybe we get Wade Phillips as DEF cord. Manusky learned from him.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:06 AM
- Sjceruti
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I hope this thread gets locked.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM
- jb49ers80
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
God I hope not, Wade Phillips would be a good candidate to fix our 3-4. We're close, we just need a couple more pieces to the puzzle.
This.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:08 AM
- pantstickle
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mmm ex pie
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:09 AM
- lamontb
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Originally posted by TMays_isaBEAST23:
The reason we don't get any pressure is because we rarely blitz. If you want other 3-4 defenses, they blitz all the time, that's how they get pressure. Manusky believes we get enough pressure with just our 3 rushers, which makes me mad all the time because clearly we don't.
however, usually when we blitz, ahmad brooks will jump offsides so I guess it washes out.
However, when you have Pat Willis and TKO, you need them both on the field. Plus, the way the league is going, 3-4 is the defense you should have. The added speed at linebacker is a must to offset all the speed on offense these days.
Exactly. Manusky is the problem not the 3-4.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM
- glorydayz
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if you want to run the 3-4, get a coach (DC) from the pats to come in and run it!
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM
- WINiner
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Originally posted by glorydayz:Originally posted by 49ersfan11:
Are you joking?
Nope!
We haven't gotten any heat on the QB since we switched to the 3-4. Our run defense is okay but the pass defense has been terrible
We would have the same problem with the 43 that we have with the 34. No pass rush. We have no pass rushers. Hows the change in scheme gonna change that?
We gave nobody who could play end in a 43, and don't say Smith, he was never a god rusher to begin with and would likely be a T in the 43. Mcdonald is also not a43 end. Maybe Brooks or Haralson, but either would still be deficient imo.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM
- unst4bl3
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Originally posted by valrod33:
I think we should stay in it. We just need to get a pass rusher and a a CB
having Takeo SPikes and WIllis in the middle is awesome
A CB? we need like 3. Shawntae was exposed this year, nate looked worse than a rookie, and tarrell brown is trash.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM
- baltien
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Originally posted by valrod33:
I think we should stay in it. We just need to get a pass rusher and a a CB
having Takeo SPikes and WIllis in the middle is awesome
Thank you. It's not the scheme that's bad, it's the execution because we DONT HAVE THE PROPER PIECES. All good 3-4 teams have one thing in common -- a good, consistent pass rush. We've ignored the pass rush for years and it's costing us.
Haralson and Brooks are good for depth, but shouldn't be starting. We need a good DeMarcus Ware, Lamar Woodley type of OLB that can bring the heat on every down.
Do that and watch us shoot up the defensive rankings.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:34 AM
- baltien
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Originally posted by unst4bl3:Originally posted by valrod33:
I think we should stay in it. We just need to get a pass rusher and a a CB
having Takeo SPikes and WIllis in the middle is awesome
A CB? we need like 3. Shawntae was exposed this year, nate looked worse than a rookie, and tarrell brown is trash.
It comes down the pass rush man. I really think Clements and Spencer are good corners. They look bad because QB's have all day to throw against us.
Teams like NE, Baltimore and Pitt have been showing us the blueprint for years. You don't need all-star corners, but you NEED a pass rush to make the 3-4 work.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM
- Jakemall
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Originally posted by lamontb:Originally posted by TMays_isaBEAST23:
The reason we don't get any pressure is because we rarely blitz. If you want other 3-4 defenses, they blitz all the time, that's how they get pressure. Manusky believes we get enough pressure with just our 3 rushers, which makes me mad all the time because clearly we don't.
however, usually when we blitz, ahmad brooks will jump offsides so I guess it washes out.
However, when you have Pat Willis and TKO, you need them both on the field. Plus, the way the league is going, 3-4 is the defense you should have. The added speed at linebacker is a must to offset all the speed on offense these days.
Exactly. Manusky is the problem not the 3-4.
Not having any great DBs is the problem. Manusky actually did an okay job of hiding that weakness imo.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:40 AM
- TMays_isaBEAST23
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Originally posted by Jakemall:Originally posted by lamontb:Originally posted by TMays_isaBEAST23:
The reason we don't get any pressure is because we rarely blitz. If you want other 3-4 defenses, they blitz all the time, that's how they get pressure. Manusky believes we get enough pressure with just our 3 rushers, which makes me mad all the time because clearly we don't.
however, usually when we blitz, ahmad brooks will jump offsides so I guess it washes out.
However, when you have Pat Willis and TKO, you need them both on the field. Plus, the way the league is going, 3-4 is the defense you should have. The added speed at linebacker is a must to offset all the speed on offense these days.
Exactly. Manusky is the problem not the 3-4.
Not having any great DBs is the problem. Manusky actually did an okay job of hiding that weakness imo.
This is true, Goldson hurt us this year. After his year last year, I thought he was going to take another step forward. I was, as you can probably tell from my name, pumped about the Taylor Mays pick. I figured with him and Dashon in, we'd have the safeties to cover over the top, and let Nate do what he does best, sit in zone, jump coverages, and take chances.
All the great 3-4 schemes have at least one great safety, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Brandon Merriweather... The problem is we have none.
Dec 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM
- Pancho559
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The 49ers have been in need of a big time pass rushers for a while now and they still continue to draft offensive lineman and what not,its far past time to bring in a couple pass rushing studs.