Confirmed - Alex Smith to start against Seahawks on Sunday

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Susweel and others of the ABA crowd, continue to use Alex's career stats as evidence that he will never be any good. Season and career stats must be interpreted in light of all known circumstances ( a difficult task for some).

Look at Archie Manning: His career W/L over 11 seasons was 35 - 101. His career completion % was 55.2, with 125 TDs and 173 INTs. He is the poster boy of a good QB who played his entire career on a bad team. His stats look dismal, but it did not keep him from playing for 11 seasons.

Yeah. I'm sure the 173 interceptions didn't directly cause any of those 101 losses. Because of course, those picks weren't his fault right?

And the Chargers were tearing it up before Brees/River arrived. And the Colts were great and then Manning came to this great team and thats why they became so good.

Also, the Pattriots were a perennial powerhouse before Brady arrived. They were full of offensive superstars... haha not. Brady stepped in and strarted tearing it up and made scrubby players look good. Deion Branch was a gaywad in Seattle and now he looks like a stud again with Brady.

Look at the Falcons. Before Matty Ice they were just another "bad team." Kurt Warner went to the s**tty Cardinals and took them to the Super Bowl. There are countless examples of a team getting an excellent QB, inserting them into the starting role, and watching the team be successful. (Rams and Brandford) Countless examples. Countless

Have you Alex Smith fan boys ever stop and think maybe, just maybe, that a sick
QB will make your whole team better? Alex s**t is surrounded by Vernon Davis, Gore, Crabs, Morgan, D. Walker and still sucks balls. Put any of those guys on a team with a legit QB and its on. Its the nature of the game. Good QBs make their team and coaches look awesome.

I think the disconnect lies in the (forgotten) fact that Alex was NEVER going to be a guy that carried a franchise like those guys you mentioned. Alex is a semi talented decent QB who has/had the tools to be good. It's really useless to compare Alex to Warner, Manning, Brady, etc. Alex, at his best, is probably as good as a Matt Schaub or Chad Henne or David Garrard...not elite but solid enough to get the job done.

I don't think Alex was a bust more than he was just an absolute reach of a pick. He was a bad draft pick. To me a bust is someone with a lot of hype and expectations and then totally flops. I don't think anyone really truly expected Alex to be the second coming of Montana, Young, etc. Its not, nor was it ever, a realistic expectation. The best he could have ever been, if you're going to compare: is Troy Aikman. Troy was a solid QB (not amazing or elite IMO) but he had arguably the best RB in the last 20 years, the best offensive line in the last 20 years, and HOF WR, and of course...a great coaching staff. I'm not taking anything away from Troy but I'm sure you get my bigger point.

But in the end...you are right. We do need a franchise QB who will carry this team. That's obviously ideal. And it's no doubt a guy like Brady or Manning would make this team better. But remember...for every 1 Manning/Brady/Brees there are 25 Smiths/Fitzpatricks/Schaubs/Gararrds/Hennes/Penningtons, etc. Bottom line is it's up to the franchise to put their players in the best position to win from a coaching/developmental standpoint.

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Fly15!!!


HIIII FIVE?!?!

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
The best he could have ever been, if you're going to compare: is Troy Aikman.

::hug::

I've said that so many times.

I guess they decided to "Tank" the rest of the season and go for draft picks instead!

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Yeah the defense gave up 30+ to G.B but did you factor that when looking at Troy's
performance?? So if it's not an excuse for Troy it shouldn't be for Alex!

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Yeah the defense gave up 30+ to G.B but did you factor that when looking at Troy's
performance?? So if it's not an excuse for Troy it shouldn't be for Alex!

losing to a team 28-24 is not the same as losing 34-16.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Yeah the defense gave up 30+ to G.B but did you factor that when looking at Troy's
performance?? So if it's not an excuse for Troy it shouldn't be for Alex!

losing to a team 28-24 is not the same as losing 34-16.

I take it you are talking about the game in GreenBay last year where we still lost with a healthy Frank Gore and a more experienced QB behind center who threw an interception in our own territory that lead to a TD?

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Yeah the defense gave up 30+ to G.B but did you factor that when looking at Troy's
performance?? So if it's not an excuse for Troy it shouldn't be for Alex!

losing to a team 28-24 is not the same as losing 34-16.

what the hell does it matter. losing is losing

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Defense gave up 26 points per game, not 30 but that is still ridiculous. The problem with Alex Smith isn't that he makes mistakes, it's that he makes COSTLY mistakes. He had 9 INT's in the first 5 games and no they were not ALL his fault but he is the QB and that is the way it goes with ANY team.

If i recall correctly, in those first 5 games, 2 picks went off Crabtree's hands, 1 that got returned for a TD vs the seahaks was just a HORRIBLE pass. yeah Crabtree might of ran a lazy or wrong route but unless that route was a deep corner (which i highly doubt), that pass was extremely high and off target (like a lot of his passes are for some reason).

1 pick was well off target vs the Saints that Gore had to basically COMPLETELY stretch out for ( a simply swing pass) and that got tipped in the air.

Then 1 pick game off a great and unfortunate play by the saints d-lineman (not his fault although for some reason, he gets a TON of balls batted down for being 6'4).

1 pick came from a HORRIBLE pass right before half against the Falcons that could of put us in position to tack on more points but instead allowed ATL to get some points going into half.

2 Picks vs Philly (the last one he was hit and didn't stand much of a chance but hindsight being 20/20, a SIMPLE pump fake to extend a play (something Alex knows nothing about) could of helped. Then that fumble that they scooped up and ran back was just HORRENDOUS.

All this happened in the first 5 games of the season. Alex Smith is NOT the answer and that is a fact but niether of these QB's can succeed with this playcalling, PERIOD. All these arguments about Troy vs Alex vs Nate vs David vs whoever else you want to talk about are just pointless. Until we get a new QB and some better coachES, we will not be successful. I will still be rooting my a$$ off from Iraq on Sunday in hopes that Alex and the 49ers can put together a solid win!

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Defense gave up 26 points per game, not 30 but that is still ridiculous. The problem with Alex Smith isn't that he makes mistakes, it's that he makes COSTLY mistakes. He had 9 INT's in the first 5 games and no they were not ALL his fault but he is the QB and that is the way it goes with ANY team.

If i recall correctly, in those first 5 games, 2 picks went off Crabtree's hands, 1 that got returned for a TD vs the seahaks was just a HORRIBLE pass. yeah Crabtree might of ran a lazy or wrong route but unless that route was a deep corner (which i highly doubt), that pass was extremely high and off target (like a lot of his passes are for some reason).

1 pick was well off target vs the Saints that Gore had to basically COMPLETELY stretch out for ( a simply swing pass) and that got tipped in the air.

Then 1 pick game off a great and unfortunate play by the saints d-lineman (not his fault although for some reason, he gets a TON of balls batted down for being 6'4).

1 pick came from a HORRIBLE pass right before half against the Falcons that could of put us in position to tack on more points but instead allowed ATL to get some points going into half.

2 Picks vs Philly (the last one he was hit and didn't stand much of a chance but hindsight being 20/20, a SIMPLE pump fake to extend a play (something Alex knows nothing about) could of helped. Then that fumble that they scooped up and ran back was just HORRENDOUS.

All this happened in the first 5 games of the season. Alex Smith is NOT the answer and that is a fact but niether of these QB's can succeed with this playcalling, PERIOD. All these arguments about Troy vs Alex vs Nate vs David vs whoever else you want to talk about are just pointless. Until we get a new QB and some better coachES, we will not be successful. I will still be rooting my a$$ off from Iraq on Sunday in hopes that Alex and the 49ers can put together a solid win!

A pump fake wouldn't have done a thing as the defense was in his face ass soon as the ball was snapped. 5 of Alex Smith's INT's are off of tipped passes from Crabtree. A lot of people are not taking into consideration the horrible OLine performance this year. There are 2 rookie lineman so they are going to struggle. They seem to be gelling and maybe beginning to mature. If this is indeed the casa look for Alex to have some great games.

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Defense gave up 26 points per game, not 30 but that is still ridiculous. The problem with Alex Smith isn't that he makes mistakes, it's that he makes COSTLY mistakes. He had 9 INT's in the first 5 games and no they were not ALL his fault but he is the QB and that is the way it goes with ANY team.

If i recall correctly, in those first 5 games, 2 picks went off Crabtree's hands, 1 that got returned for a TD vs the seahaks was just a HORRIBLE pass. yeah Crabtree might of ran a lazy or wrong route but unless that route was a deep corner (which i highly doubt), that pass was extremely high and off target (like a lot of his passes are for some reason).

1 pick was well off target vs the Saints that Gore had to basically COMPLETELY stretch out for ( a simply swing pass) and that got tipped in the air.

Then 1 pick game off a great and unfortunate play by the saints d-lineman (not his fault although for some reason, he gets a TON of balls batted down for being 6'4).

1 pick came from a HORRIBLE pass right before half against the Falcons that could of put us in position to tack on more points but instead allowed ATL to get some points going into half.

2 Picks vs Philly (the last one he was hit and didn't stand much of a chance but hindsight being 20/20, a SIMPLE pump fake to extend a play (something Alex knows nothing about) could of helped. Then that fumble that they scooped up and ran back was just HORRENDOUS.

All this happened in the first 5 games of the season. Alex Smith is NOT the answer and that is a fact but niether of these QB's can succeed with this playcalling, PERIOD. All these arguments about Troy vs Alex vs Nate vs David vs whoever else you want to talk about are just pointless. Until we get a new QB and some better coachES, we will not be successful. I will still be rooting my a$$ off from Iraq on Sunday in hopes that Alex and the 49ers can put together a solid win!

A pump fake wouldn't have done a thing as the defense was in his face ass soon as the ball was snapped. 5 of Alex Smith's INT's are off of tipped passes from Crabtree. A lot of people are not taking into consideration the horrible OLine performance this year. There are 2 rookie lineman so they are going to struggle. They seem to be gelling and maybe beginning to mature. If this is indeed the casa look for Alex to have some great games.

you act like having a good o-line matters?

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by nflguy49:
Alex Smith's lack of ability to make plays when it matters was a major factor in this team starting the season 0-5.


Btw: Whats his career passer rating on 3rd down? How often does he convert those 3rd downs vs taking the safe checkdown pass that results in a punt.

or the fact that our schedule was extremely front loaded had something to do with that 0-5 start

Alex making costly last minute turnovers are why we were 0-5

The defense allowing the opposing teams to score an average over 30pts wasn't a factor?

Defense gave up 26 points per game, not 30 but that is still ridiculous. The problem with Alex Smith isn't that he makes mistakes, it's that he makes COSTLY mistakes. He had 9 INT's in the first 5 games and no they were not ALL his fault but he is the QB and that is the way it goes with ANY team.

If i recall correctly, in those first 5 games, 2 picks went off Crabtree's hands, 1 that got returned for a TD vs the seahaks was just a HORRIBLE pass. yeah Crabtree might of ran a lazy or wrong route but unless that route was a deep corner (which i highly doubt), that pass was extremely high and off target (like a lot of his passes are for some reason).

1 pick was well off target vs the Saints that Gore had to basically COMPLETELY stretch out for ( a simply swing pass) and that got tipped in the air.

Then 1 pick game off a great and unfortunate play by the saints d-lineman (not his fault although for some reason, he gets a TON of balls batted down for being 6'4).

1 pick came from a HORRIBLE pass right before half against the Falcons that could of put us in position to tack on more points but instead allowed ATL to get some points going into half.

2 Picks vs Philly (the last one he was hit and didn't stand much of a chance but hindsight being 20/20, a SIMPLE pump fake to extend a play (something Alex knows nothing about) could of helped. Then that fumble that they scooped up and ran back was just HORRENDOUS.

All this happened in the first 5 games of the season. Alex Smith is NOT the answer and that is a fact but niether of these QB's can succeed with this playcalling, PERIOD. All these arguments about Troy vs Alex vs Nate vs David vs whoever else you want to talk about are just pointless. Until we get a new QB and some better coachES, we will not be successful. I will still be rooting my a$$ off from Iraq on Sunday in hopes that Alex and the 49ers can put together a solid win!

A pump fake wouldn't have done a thing as the defense was in his face ass soon as the ball was snapped. 5 of Alex Smith's INT's are off of tipped passes from Crabtree. A lot of people are not taking into consideration the horrible OLine performance this year. There are 2 rookie lineman so they are going to struggle. They seem to be gelling and maybe beginning to mature. If this is indeed the casa look for Alex to have some great games.

you act like having a good o-line matters?

lol silly me, I always forget having an OLine is overrated. Just ask Peyton Manning the last few weeks.