SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 11)

....all Frank needs is 222 yards to reach 1000 for the season.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.... ;-)

Originally posted by unst4bl3:
I noticed last week the rams ran 3-5 screens, and they didnt work so well for once. Do you think we continue or regress and get gashed by future screens?

After the Kansas City game the screen must be a huge emphasis for Manusky in practice.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Fwankie needs to quit wearing his socks so high. It looks like he's wearing nylons.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Nov 18, 2010 at 08:58:35 ]

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Looks like heavy rain for Sunday's game.

And Shane Andrus is our kicker.

Hopefully we don't have many 50+ yard field goals.

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Looks like heavy rain for Sunday's game.

And Shane Andrus is our kicker.

Hopefully we don't have many 50+ yard field goals.

in the rain!

how long is Nedney gonna be out?

Our offense will need to put some meaningful points on the board...because I think Tampa will be able to score on our defense. Freeman's really coming on and now he has an excellent young WR in Mike Williams, plus Benn's starting to "get it" and then he has the vet Winslow. Blount's given them a much stouter running game. The Bucs defense may not statistically be good vs the run, but they have 16 picks, 3 pic-sixes. Their secondary's definitely better than ours. So, in my eyes, this'll be a very tough game. We'll have to play better against them than the Rams to win.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
I hope so.

But it seems that everytime we face a team with a sub-par rush defense, they stuff our run...and everytime we face a team with an anemic pass-rush, they tag us for 7 sacks.

Not true at all. Look at the defenses we've faced, adjusted for opponents' strength:

SEA = 16th
NO = 13th
KC = 11th
ATL = 4th
PHI = 26th
OAK = 9th
CAR = 20th
DEN = 30th
STL = 18th

So the only sub-par rush d team we failed against was Philly. Gore had great games vs. the rest.

I exaggerate of course and that was not meant to be taken at face value.

My point is that opposing teams more often than not gameplan or adjust their gameplan through the course of the game better than we do (as we have so roundly criticized Mike Singletary and his staff). Mike Johnson seems to be doing better, but Tampa definitely isn't taking this game lightly and even with their 6-3 record, this is a critical game for them to keep pace with Atlanta and NO.

You can bet that their D is putting together a gameplan keyed to stopping Frank Gore, and taking risks with their Cover-2 on the passing game to narrow the width of the field and keep Troy Smith in the middle and force him to make consistent passes over the middle. Maybe Tampa, among other things, will bring up their MLB closer to the line. They might take chances on our TE's with seam routes but the key is still Troy Smith hitting the TEs over the middle and they are risking that he cannot do that consistently enough. In a game of cat and mouse, will our OC stay one step ahead of the oposing D? Our record hasn't been good. We shall see.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:

Originally posted by fanmusclecars:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Looks like heavy rain for Sunday's game.

And Shane Andrus is our kicker.

Hopefully we don't have many 50+ yard field goals.

in the rain!

how long is Nedney gonna be out?

1 week

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
I hope so.

But it seems that everytime we face a team with a sub-par rush defense, they stuff our run...and everytime we face a team with an anemic pass-rush, they tag us for 7 sacks.

Not true at all. Look at the defenses we've faced, adjusted for opponents' strength:

SEA = 16th
NO = 13th
KC = 11th
ATL = 4th
PHI = 26th
OAK = 9th
CAR = 20th
DEN = 30th
STL = 18th

So the only sub-par rush d team we failed against was Philly. Gore had great games vs. the rest.

I exaggerate of course and that was not meant to be taken at face value.

My point is that opposing teams more often than not gameplan or adjust their gameplan through the course of the game better than we do (as we have so roundly criticized Mike Singletary and his staff). Mike Johnson seems to be doing better, but Tampa definitely isn't taking this game lightly and even with their 6-3 record, this is a critical game for them to keep pace with Atlanta and NO.

You can bet that their D is putting together a gameplan keyed to stopping Frank Gore, and taking risks with their Cover-2 on the passing game to narrow the width of the field and keep Troy Smith in the middle and force him to make consistent passes over the middle. Maybe Tampa, among other things, will bring up their MLB closer to the line. They might take chances on our TE's with seam routes but the key is still Troy Smith hitting the TEs over the middle and they are risking that he cannot do that consistently enough. In a game of cat and mouse, will our OC stay one step ahead of the oposing D? Our record hasn't been good. We shall see.

Yes -- the other 31 teams in the NFL game-plan for the 49ers around Gore. Their goal is to ALWAYS try and take him out of the game.

There are two ways to do this:

1. stack the box and force our young QBs to beat them.

2. take a lot of deep shots early, get a two-score lead, and force the 49ers to abandon the running game.

If a defense cannot take Gore out of the game, we either win or brain-fart away a victory. Look at this season:

wk 1: Seattle jumped out to an early lead and we abandoned the running game.
wk 2: we ran all over them, then gave the game away through turnovers
wk 3: KC shut down Gore AND jumped out in the first half.
wk 4: Nate Clements fumbled the Win away
wk 5: Philly totally shut down Gore: 2.75 YPC!
wk 6: Gore Shredded the raiders
wk 7: Gore ran all over them, but David Carr came in and had the worst performance I have ever seen by a QB.
wk 8: 120 yards for Gore - win
wk 9: 155 total yards for Gore - win. If it weren't for the penalties, Gore would have racked up an extra 50 yards on the ground running the clock out.

is it Sunday yet?

Originally posted by global_nomad:

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by global_nomad:
Blount vs. Willis should be epic.

Blount I think we can handle.

It's Freeman vs our secondary that scares me.....

I don't know Blount is running better than Steve Jackson and Bennie Wells IMO. If it weren't for Bradford he would be up for Rookie of the year.

Blount? Is that the guy that didn't wanna try out with the Niners and punched a college and NFL player? If so, amazing that a team still took a chance on that thug.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
I hope so.

But it seems that everytime we face a team with a sub-par rush defense, they stuff our run...and everytime we face a team with an anemic pass-rush, they tag us for 7 sacks.

Not true at all. Look at the defenses we've faced, adjusted for opponents' strength:

SEA = 16th
NO = 13th
KC = 11th
ATL = 4th
PHI = 26th
OAK = 9th
CAR = 20th
DEN = 30th
STL = 18th

So the only sub-par rush d team we failed against was Philly. Gore had great games vs. the rest.

I exaggerate of course and that was not meant to be taken at face value.

My point is that opposing teams more often than not gameplan or adjust their gameplan through the course of the game better than we do (as we have so roundly criticized Mike Singletary and his staff). Mike Johnson seems to be doing better, but Tampa definitely isn't taking this game lightly and even with their 6-3 record, this is a critical game for them to keep pace with Atlanta and NO.

You can bet that their D is putting together a gameplan keyed to stopping Frank Gore, and taking risks with their Cover-2 on the passing game to narrow the width of the field and keep Troy Smith in the middle and force him to make consistent passes over the middle. Maybe Tampa, among other things, will bring up their MLB closer to the line. They might take chances on our TE's with seam routes but the key is still Troy Smith hitting the TEs over the middle and they are risking that he cannot do that consistently enough. In a game of cat and mouse, will our OC stay one step ahead of the oposing D? Our record hasn't been good. We shall see.

Yes -- the other 31 teams in the NFL game-plan for the 49ers around Gore. Their goal is to ALWAYS try and take him out of the game.

There are two ways to do this:

1. stack the box and force our young QBs to beat them.

2. take a lot of deep shots early, get a two-score lead, and force the 49ers to abandon the running game.

If a defense cannot take Gore out of the game, we either win or brain-fart away a victory. Look at this season:

wk 1: Seattle jumped out to an early lead and we abandoned the running game.
wk 2: we ran all over them, then gave the game away through turnovers
wk 3: KC shut down Gore AND jumped out in the first half.
wk 4: Nate Clements fumbled the Win away
wk 5: Philly totally shut down Gore: 2.75 YPC!
wk 6: Gore Shredded the raiders
wk 7: Gore ran all over them, but David Carr came in and had the worst performance I have ever seen by a QB.
wk 8: 120 yards for Gore - win
wk 9: 155 total yards for Gore - win. If it weren't for the penalties, Gore would have racked up an extra 50 yards on the ground running the clock out.

No argument there. But maybe the difference here is that Tampa may be seriously looking at adjusting their defensive scheme - a defensive scheme that is known for being particularly vulnerable to a strong up the middle run offense. The other teams always key in on Gore but may well be because that is their known strength or it necessitates minor adjustments to the scheme that, when well-executed, is designed to be equally effective against run or pass.

In your OP, your premise is that Frank could have a career day against a Cover 2 D (manned by guys not exactly Warren Sapp or Derrick Brooks in their prime). As I said, I hope so - granted that Tampa stays generally true to their Cover 2 scheme. But they may significantly alter their scheme, more so than other teams have. Just when we think we match up well against another team's apparent/ obvious weakness, we get outsmarted.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
I hope so.

But it seems that everytime we face a team with a sub-par rush defense, they stuff our run...and everytime we face a team with an anemic pass-rush, they tag us for 7 sacks.

Not true at all. Look at the defenses we've faced, adjusted for opponents' strength:

SEA = 16th
NO = 13th
KC = 11th
ATL = 4th
PHI = 26th
OAK = 9th
CAR = 20th
DEN = 30th
STL = 18th

So the only sub-par rush d team we failed against was Philly. Gore had great games vs. the rest.

I exaggerate of course and that was not meant to be taken at face value.

My point is that opposing teams more often than not gameplan or adjust their gameplan through the course of the game better than we do (as we have so roundly criticized Mike Singletary and his staff). Mike Johnson seems to be doing better, but Tampa definitely isn't taking this game lightly and even with their 6-3 record, this is a critical game for them to keep pace with Atlanta and NO.

You can bet that their D is putting together a gameplan keyed to stopping Frank Gore, and taking risks with their Cover-2 on the passing game to narrow the width of the field and keep Troy Smith in the middle and force him to make consistent passes over the middle. Maybe Tampa, among other things, will bring up their MLB closer to the line. They might take chances on our TE's with seam routes but the key is still Troy Smith hitting the TEs over the middle and they are risking that he cannot do that consistently enough. In a game of cat and mouse, will our OC stay one step ahead of the oposing D? Our record hasn't been good. We shall see.

Yes -- the other 31 teams in the NFL game-plan for the 49ers around Gore. Their goal is to ALWAYS try and take him out of the game.

There are two ways to do this:

1. stack the box and force our young QBs to beat them.

2. take a lot of deep shots early, get a two-score lead, and force the 49ers to abandon the running game.

If a defense cannot take Gore out of the game, we either win or brain-fart away a victory. Look at this season:

wk 1: Seattle jumped out to an early lead and we abandoned the running game.
wk 2: we ran all over them, then gave the game away through turnovers
wk 3: KC shut down Gore AND jumped out in the first half.
wk 4: Nate Clements fumbled the Win away
wk 5: Philly totally shut down Gore: 2.75 YPC!
wk 6: Gore Shredded the raiders
wk 7: Gore ran all over them, but David Carr came in and had the worst performance I have ever seen by a QB.
wk 8: 120 yards for Gore - win
wk 9: 155 total yards for Gore - win. If it weren't for the penalties, Gore would have racked up an extra 50 yards on the ground running the clock out.

Nicely done, Nick.

I had prepared these statistics to refute his argument, but it basically did it already.

Quote:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
I hope so.

But it seems that everytime we face a team with a sub-par rush defense, they stuff our run...and everytime we face a team with an anemic pass-rush, they tag us for 7 sacks.

You sure about that? The statistics say otherwise.

Yards Per Carry By Weekly Opponent and NFL Rank
Week 1 - Seattle - 2.6 YPC (8th in YPG)
Week 2 - New Orleans - 5.5 YPC (17th in YPC)
Week 3 - Kansas City - 2.9 YPC (11th in YPC)
Week 4 - Atlanta - 3.5 YPC (17th in YPC)
Week 5 - Philadelphia - 3.4 YPC (14th in YPC)
Week 6 - Oakland - 5.1 YPC (26th in YPC)
Week 7 - Carolina - 4.5 YPC (14th in YPC)
Week 8 - Denver - 3.4 YPC (25th in YPC)
Week 10 - St. Louis - 3.8 YPC (17th in YPC)

The 49ers have faced just two teams with poor (Ranked 20+) rushing defenses.

Against Oakland, Gore rushed for 149 yards on 25 carries (6 YPC).

Against Denver, the 49ers gave Frank Gore a career high 29 carries, which reduced his first half average substantially. Gore averaged 5.8 YPC in the first half (12 / 70).

Sacks By Weekly Opponent and NFL Rank
Week 1 - Seattle - 2 Sacks (6th in Sacks)
Week 2 - New Orleans - 0 Sacks (16th in Sacks)
Week 3 - Kansas City - 5 Sacks (16th in Sacks)
Week 4 - Atlanta - 1 Sack (19th in Sacks)
Week 5 - Philadelphia - 2 Sacks (6th in Sacks)
Week 6 - Oakland - 2 Sacks (3rd in Sacks)
Week 7 - Carolina - 2 Sacks (27th in Sacks)
Week 8 - Denver - 0 Sacks (27th in Sacks)
Week 10 - St. Louis - 5 Sacks (1st in Sacks)

The 49ers offensive line has yet to give up more than five sacks in any game (contrary to your recollection of 7).

Originally posted by mcbaes72:

Originally posted by global_nomad:

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by global_nomad:
Blount vs. Willis should be epic.

Blount I think we can handle.

It's Freeman vs our secondary that scares me.....

I don't know Blount is running better than Steve Jackson and Bennie Wells IMO. If it weren't for Bradford he would be up for Rookie of the year.

Blount? Is that the guy that didn't wanna try out with the Niners and punched a college and NFL player? If so, amazing that a team still took a chance on that thug.

f**k Blount. He can try and punch Willis and get his ass handed to him.

momentum is on our side this week. Last week 9ers (O-Line) had to wait two weeks to get the feel of Troy Smith again (might have been a set back) now we can just keep rolling and keep it going!

Where my 9ers at!!!!!!!!