Anyone still regret drafting Vernon?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

And then our O would suck even more and lack any big-play potential.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

I'm sorry did we trade up to get Vernon? I think not. Even if we took Ngata I still think Lawson is the next pick. We let Petersen go and replacing him was a huge priority.

Most of the people who made your argument in the past wanted us to take either Hawk or Huff. I can say the same thing about the safety and outside linebacker positions. They're not high value positions, and you can find quality guys thru out the draft.

As for Ngata maybe he would be a better pick then again it's not like we've struggled at run defense over the years. 9th place this year, 6th place last year, 13th place in 08. Unless he's making us a top 6 defense our lack of offense is going to be too much to overcome still.

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

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Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

actually the trade would be Vernon AND Lawson, for Ngata and Lewis. So take at least 3 or 4 seconds to think about it

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by Wodwo:
Can Marcedes Lewis do this?

But Krizay says his speed doesn't translate to the field

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

And then our O would suck even more and lack any big-play potential.

The most limiting thing about the offense is the design, not the players.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

And then our O would suck even more and lack any big-play potential.

The most limiting thing about the offense is the design, not the players.

We already have a lack of speed, without VD, we would have no speed or deep threat.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

I'm sorry did we trade up to get Vernon? I think not. Even if we took Ngata I still think Lawson is the next pick. We let Petersen go and replacing him was a huge priority.

Most of the people who made your argument in the past wanted us to take either Hawk or Huff. I can say the same thing about the safety and outside linebacker positions. They're not high value positions, and you can find quality guys thru out the draft.

As for Ngata maybe he would be a better pick then again it's not like we've struggled at run defense over the years. 9th place this year, 6th place last year, 13th place in 08. Unless he's making us a top 6 defense our lack of offense is going to be too much to overcome still.

I'm fine with Davis. I just don't see him as quite the elite player that some do.

My point was that Ngata would give us the NT that would allow to play a 3-4 the way it should be played, and Lewis would provide a TE who is better at hot reads and under routes and still have good ability to go deep.

Not a big deal with me one way or the other.

I really have a hard time judging any of our players, when they are on a team like the Niners (Particularly Offense).

I think there is a good chance Nagata wouldn't be as good if he was on the Niners. I also think you could make an argument that Lewis wouldn't be anymore effective than D.Walker.

Vernon is a warrior, ballet and badass.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

And then our O would suck even more and lack any big-play potential.

The most limiting thing about the offense is the design, not the players.

We already have a lack of speed, without VD, we would have no speed or deep threat.

Lewis doesn't have Davis' freakish speed but he is one of the faster TEs in the league.

No team should have to rely on their TE for speed to stretch the defense. TE speed should be a bonus, not the only option available. This team needs WR speed.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by danimal:
I still do. Especially since I wanted Marcedes Lewis instead. Logic being that #7 is just too high for any TE. I wanted a TE, and I thought Vernon would be better, but I just thought you get basically the same services from a guy like Marcedes with our late 1st round pick.

With the 1.7 pick I wanted AJ Hawk, glad he was not there, because my 2nd choice was Ngata.

I hope this is a lesson learned for this franchise, top 10 is too high for a TE. Now I am not even sure that Vernon is even better than Marcedes(who has become quite a good blocker also)

No offense man, but all the bad picks we have had over the years and your debating one of the few good ones? We can debate the woulda, coulda, shoulda's all night but Vernon is a great player and his freak abilities make him a far more dangerous threat than M. Lewis ever could be. Get Vernon a solid quarterback, and this conversation becomes moot.

No offense taken. If you pay attention to my argument this is not your typical we shoulda drafted this guy or that guy thread. I am really not saying any of the sort.

I have said Vernon Davis is one of my Favorite Niners and I love the player he is turning out to be.

The heart of my argument is questioning the TE position, and if it is EVER ok to draft one that high.

Obviously the Niners missed tons of 1st round picks, and this is one of the success stories.

My point is even with Vernon being as good as is he is, the TE spot only helps teams win to a point, coupled with the fact that the Production and Contribution between 2nd tier TE's and Elite TE's is negligible.

I am one of the few who would never draft TE that high, and Vernon Davis challenged this philosophy, but ultimately has also validated that it is a pretty good policy to stick to

I would gladly trade Vernon Davis for Lewis and Ngata...in a second.

And then our O would suck even more and lack any big-play potential.

The most limiting thing about the offense is the design, not the players.

We already have a lack of speed, without VD, we would have no speed or deep threat.

Lewis doesn't have Davis' freakish speed but he is one of the faster TEs in the league.

No team should have to rely on their TE for speed to stretch the defense. TE speed should be a bonus, not the only option available. This team needs WR speed.

We do need WR speed. We are among the slowest in the NFL. Crabtree is a slow possession WR. Morgan is a 4.9 guy. A 25 yard head start and he gets caught from behind... It's one of our biggest issues on offense. Other teams can stretch a defense. We can't.

Funny how this was posted the day after Vernon couldn't finish a game due to injury and Lewis scored 2 TD's.

Originally posted by SolRebe1:
Funny how this was posted the day after Vernon couldn't finish a game due to injury and Lewis scored 2 TD's.

knee jerk fans...