UPDATED 5/1:: HERE'S WHY OUR DRIVES STALL... (after reviewing alex's starts)

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Thanks for the correction.

You'd probably need to talk with Barry or Jed for that. Until then, it's purely unsubstaniated and scurrilous rumer.

Originally posted by fandemonium:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Did you read his screen name?

Would you believe me if I changed it?

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Thanks for the correction.

You'd probably need to talk with Barry or Jed for that. Until then, it's purely unsubstaniated and scurrilous rumer.

No f*cking sh*t?

[ Edited by Godsleftsock on Apr 5, 2010 at 12:49:23 ]

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Thanks for the correction.

You'd probably need to talk with Barry or Jed for that. Until then, it's purely unsubstaniated and scurrilous rumer.

"Unsubstantiated" and "rumor."

So you just make stuff up and post it, then criticize the team and its owners based on your imagination?

Why does that sound so familiar.

You . . . a fan . . . of Singletary, . . . by chance?

I remember that nighter game. Smith seems just a tad off on his throws early and never really came out of it. He did have a few good ones, but unfortunately a couple was dropped also. The defense was awesome and what really won the game for us. The offense as a whole should improve upon last year.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Thanks for the correction.

You'd probably need to talk with Barry or Jed for that. Until then, it's purely unsubstaniated and scurrilous rumer.

"Unsubstantiated" and "rumor."

So you just make stuff up and post it, then criticize the team and its owners based on your imagination?

Why does that sound so familiar.

You . . . a fan . . . of Singletary, . . . by chance?

Old Dude,

I'm not making any of this up.

And no, I'm not particularly a fan of Sing's either. (The rah-rah bit gets old after awhile when the team keeps getting its ass handed to it.)

Oh and by the way, it wasn't an 8-8 record last year. The Rams and Lions games don't count. The team was 6 - 8.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I remember that nighter game. Smith seems just a tad off on his throws early and never really came out of it. He did have a few good ones, but unfortunately a couple was dropped also. The defense was awesome and what really won the game for us. The offense as a whole should improve upon last year.

when you review the game objectively you will see he was really only a tad off on his throws TO CRABTREE. he threw the ball pretty well in general, but you will also be struck with the number of guys he had in his face all the time and how quickly they got there. he was not 'holding' the ball. he was forced to throw the ball away more than a QB should. as i ALWAYS say about alex tho, he does have a tendency to deliver the ball a little too high... above the shoulders, often forcing a receiver to leave his feet. better placement will yield more YAC and 1 or 2 fewer passes defensed per game. i think he will improve on this just as he has improved his "touch" on the ball, especially the mid - deep ball.

...and yes the offense as a whole NEEDS to improve upon last year with maybe the one exception of frank gore. we all know the guy's a beast, but the more i review the games, the more i appreciate this guy... seriously.

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Oh and by the way, it wasn't an 8-8 record last year. The Rams and Lions games don't count. The team was 6 - 8.

Originally posted by Godsleftsock:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
FIX THE OLINE!


THE OLINE!

I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS, YORKIE!

Great Idea Tony !!!

Except ...

Didn't we have a good RG in Smiley that York let walk away?

Didn't we have a good RT in Pashos that York let walk away?

Tell us, Tony, how can he fix the OL (or any other area of the team) when he's got no idea what he's doing?

Did we have a good tackle in Staley who we signed long term? Did we have a good back tackle in Sims that we did not let walk and resigned him? Now the great question for this year is will we get quality players for our Oline?

You'd seriously rather have Simms than Pachos?

Regardless, Simms would have walked too if not for the fall-out from the McCloughan debacle. They called him quick and begged him back so they could get some positive press.

Its "Sims" and "Pashos."

You gotta link for the bolded?

Thanks for the correction.

You'd probably need to talk with Barry or Jed for that. Until then, it's purely unsubstaniated and scurrilous rumer.

No f*cking sh*t?

By the way, what team is God's right sock a fan of?

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Oh and by the way, it wasn't an 8-8 record last year. The Rams and Lions games don't count. The team was 6 - 8.

According to 9eridiot we was 6-8! Shouldn't we be 5-8 since we played the rams twice, or did I miss something! 8-8 goniners, now for our 10-6 season or 11-5

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:
So this is what I'm doing... I want to find out exactly why our O had trouble last year. Yes we know our OL play was bad, and yes we know Alex didn't play as well as Brees or Manning, but lets look a little closer shall we?

In my first installment I started with a game that was fun to watch; the Monday nighter vs the cards. I listed what happened on the 3 down series when we failed to convert because I think it is important not to just look at what happens on 3rd down, but also if we fail to convert 3rd and 12... why the heck were we facing 3rd and 12 in the first place. I also listed what happened on 3rd downs we converted and made special notes on the drive in general of things that stood out. Here we go...


12/14 v CARDINALS


1ST POSSESION from own 25:
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Drive stalled with alex int on a nice play by pro bowler d.dockett.
- converted 3rd & 5 with hard count (but hit v.davis in hands on the play. it was dropped)
- converted 3rd & 1 with gore run (2 hard counts by alex got them to 3rd and 1)
- converted 3rd & 1 with another gore run.
** Drive Notes: hard count drew cards offside 3 times. alex overthrew 2 deep balls down middle on the drive. 1 to crabtree, 1 to walker. OL play was pretty bad on this series.


2ND POSSESION from own 19:
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Drive stalled with sack of 6 yards on 1st down. alex pulled down the ball after only 2.5 seconds as c.campbell beat b.sims and sendlein beat a.snyder pretty good on the play. On 2nd down alex made the right read to crabtree, but ball was 12 inches to the outside. crabtree got hands on it, but we'll chalk that one up to bad WR/QB chemistry. would have been good for 1st down at AZ 27 or better. 3rd & 16 is always tricky. again alex made the right read but the ball was too high and mcfadden made a play (borderline PI.) a low outside ball doesnt get the 1st, but mcfadden cant make a play on it and you get 12 yards and you're in FG range at the AZ 32. result PUNT.
** Drive Notes: alex did a pretty nice job getting the ball out really quick. long run of 36yds by gore.


3RD POSSESION from AZ 7:
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gore TD on 2nd down


4TH POSSESION from AZ 28:
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3rd & 5 and cards come with 6. 9ers have 6 to block but 1 goes untouched and alex has to dump it quick to crabtree short by 1 yard. result FG
** Drive Notes: 1st and 2nd down were both 2 quick designed throws underneath.


5TH POSSESION from own 12:
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After long run gore stuffed for 1yd on 1st down. big push by AZ DL and pro bowler d.dockett batts another ball down on 2nd down. on 3rd & 15 cards come with 5 and another blitzer goes untouched and alex has to dump ball off underneath really quickly. incomplete. result PUNT.
** Drive Notes: long run of 31 by gore. other than that OL play again was pretty poor.


6TH POSSESION from own 32:
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Drive stalled after pickup of 3 by gore on 1st when after executing play fake alex turned around and had pressure right in his face and had to dump off to morgan for loss of 1. on 3rd & 8 alex did make a nice throw on a seam route to v.davis but pro bowler a.wilson deflected ball. alex did stare davis a bit but the ball came out fast enough and with wilson's in trail position in had little affect on that play. more than anything, i think opposing defenses had seen that play on film far too often at this point in the year to be fooled on 3rd & 8. result nedney missed 53yd FG.
- alex converted 3rd & 10 to crabtree
** Drive Notes: very nice throw to morgan for 9yds.


7TH POSSESION from own 32:
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Nice TD drive by alex capped with 17yd dig and 17yd run by crabtree. (ball was still just a tad high.)
- alex converted 3rd & 10 by stepping up in the pocket vs the blitz and delivering a laser to the outside shoulder of v.davis who was well covered by a.wilson on the inside shoulder for a gain of 12.
** Drive Notes: 1 delay of game penalty on alex. alex again made the right read and threw a nice ball to crabtree on the 17yd dig but was off by 12inches too far inside. crabtree got hands on but we'll call that one again, bad QB/WR timing.


8TH POSSESION from own 43:
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...only 7 seconds to go til halftime. 1 incompletion 1 throw underneath.


9TH POSSESION from own 10:
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Drive stalled when 2 runs by gore netted 0 yards (more poor OL play.) on 3rd & 10 alex goes 15 yds to v.davis over the top and a.rolle gets maybe a pinky on the ball which is just enough to make davis drop it. i dont know the designed progressions on the play and the cards did blitz, but after watching the replay from the behind the QB angle, it appeared that the better option would have been to try to hit crabtree who had beaten his man off the line and was crossing the shallow middle. looks like it would have netted a 1st down.


10TH POSSESION from own 22:
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a.wilson intercepts alex on a throw meant for d.walker. not sure what he saw or what he was reading, but it was a bad play. he didn't stare him down tho. i just think that a.wilson just wasn't fooled by the play or by d.walker's route. let's also not forget a.wilson is a pro-bowler tho.
** Drive Notes: gore is an animal and needs some help from the interior OL


11TH POSSESION from own 33:
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Alex got away with one as a.wilson breaks up another throw intended for d.walker as he reads the route combination really well. a.wilson deflects a pass as he is blitzing near the LOS. a.wilson is a beast and he single-handedly ends this drive.
** Drive Notes: another long gore run of 17 yards


12TH POSSESION from AZ 16:
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4 runs by gore. result TD!


13TH POSSESION from AZ 16:
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Drive stalled when 2 more runs bring up 3rd & 5 but snyder false starts making it 3rd and 10. called shovel pass nets only 6.
- 9ers in 4minute offense mode but 2 runs net 0 yards. alex converts 3rd & 10 with 14 yd laser to v.davis. AZ blitzed, but 9ers picked it up nicely and alex could step up in a clean pocket.
- alex converts another crucial 3rd & 4 with a 6yd pass to crabtree to keep the chains moving and the clock running...
** Drive Notes: OL play again really let the team down on this drive, especially on 1st and 2nd down in the run game.


14TH POSSESION from AZ 16:
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2 runs + an AZ penalty give the 9ers a 1st down with under 2min to play and alex can take a knee.


GAME NOTES: lots of blitzing by AZ resulted in lots of check downs and designed underneath quick throws by SF. alex really has a tendency to deliver balls a bit too high forcing WRs to have to leave their feet. not poorly thrown balls, but better placement will eventually lead to better YAC, less deflections by DBs and healthier, happier WRs. alex had 2 head-scratching throws and they were both intended for d.walker. one was the INT by a.wilson and the other was deflected by a.wilson. a lack of familiarity with crabtree was also very evident in this game as the two missed out on some very nice gains by only 12 inches here or 12 inches there.



up next... philly?

Tho ya don't care really what peeps think, thanks for the great breakdown man! The time the effort the works man! Good job! Gore is the man. And alex will show up this year, let's just get the line beefed up and we are algood

Great stuff, 9erHIGH.

I did game breakdowns that were something like this throughout the season. It's very cool (and frustrating) to analyze the little things that get missed by the casual fans. Keep up the good work, and just know that a select number of these fan responses will always be filled with hate for Alex Smith. Their feet are simply dug in way too deep at this point to ever change their tune. Don't let them to distract you.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Great stuff, 9erHIGH.

I did game breakdowns that were something like this throughout the season. It's very cool (and frustrating) to analyze the little things that get missed by the casual fans. Keep up the good work, and just know that a select number of these fan responses will always be filled with hate for Alex Smith. Their feet are simply dug in way too deep at this point to ever change their tune. Don't let them to distract you.

I don't hate Alex. I just don't think he's shown enough to warrant the love he gets here and the firm committment he gets from the org.

Everybody else has to earn their position, but he keeps getting it handed to him for some reason.

[ Edited by 9eridiot on Apr 5, 2010 at 18:06:29 ]

Originally posted by frankie:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 9eridiot:

Oh and by the way, it wasn't an 8-8 record last year. The Rams and Lions games don't count. The team was 6 - 8.

According to 9eridiot we was 6-8! Shouldn't we be 5-8 since we played the rams twice, or did I miss something! 8-8 goniners, now for our 10-6 season or 11-5

Frankie,
When you're out of the playoffs, the season's over. (Usually week 3 or 4 for the Raiders and Lions.)

Everybody's excited about going 8-8. Remember: the Niners were a pathetic 6-8 when knocked out of the playoffs last year. No killer spirit against the Colts and Vikings and got embarassed by the Eagles and Falcons.

What's different this year? Crabtree's older I'll give you that and Brooks is a monster. What else you got?

And how's that going to translate to 10-6 or 11-5?

Out of the 11 games played, in 7 of them, Smith was sacked, 0, 2, 1, 1, 0, 1, and 1 times.

I wouldn't exactly call that poor blocking.


I think that this shows Alex's mobility and his escapeability (sp?) has improved. As for the comments about "beefing up" the OL, I hope that the talent gets beefed, not just the size.