Making Changes: A Quarterback Change Will Not Help us.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:
I agree that our O line isnt perfect but I dont think it is a total bust either. This line is filled with 1st and 2nd round picks. There is talent there. I think there are serious problems with coaching, schemes, playcalling that are not helping this situation at all. I dont see why the niners would waste a 1st round pick on a RT. First round Tackles should only be on the left side and even if we do is this guy going to be instantly better than Snyder or Simms??? I dont really think so. Throwing the O line under the bus as our only problem makes as much sense as saying Alex is our only problem.

#1 -- yes, I do believe a 1st round talent coming out this year is better. The schemes? The playcalls? That's what's hindering them? I think it's completely the other way around. And they cannot execute blocking at all. Slow footwork, not strong enough, misreading the rush.

#2 -- I am not saying the o-line is our only problem, but it (and arguably the 2ndary) is above and beyond is our most glaring hole. If the detroit lion defense can get that much pressure consistently, we would get absolutely throttled in a playoff game.

The talent you speak of is not consistent from snap to snap, seems to fail year to year, and needs to be replaced. It's time for our front office to say "you know what? he's not doing his job -- he needs to be REPLACED." If they don't realize this after the years of our line sucking so badly, they shouldn't be our coaches.

Why do you believe a 1st or 2nd round Tackle is going to be instantly better than the 2nd round Tackle (Snyder) with several years of pro experience under his belt? The niners have been paying attention to their O Line and drafting that way in early rounds in recent years but we have no payoff? Obviously Scotty M can't evaluate O line talent or our O line coach isn't doing the job. Id rather find a RT via free agency that wont cost us a boatload of money.

Have you watched Snyder? I'm too lazy to look up the facts, but I'm pretty sure he's either #1 or damn close to the top of the amount of sacks he's given up. Have you not seen the success of the guys that are deemed good talents at the o-line? Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Ryan Clady, hell, even Michael Oher started this year and upgraded the Raven's line. These are all 1st round picks that have instantly upgraded their lines respectively. So, in the fact that Snyder has been full of suck the entire time he's been in SF and considering how much trouble we have containing defensive pressure, I am going to say 100% YES, we should waste (as you put it) a 1st round pick to get a book-end that will finally solve our most glaring issue for the years to come.

I guy named Joe Staley comes to mind. Solid from day one for the most part.

Snyder doesn't hold a candle to him.

Hey Blitz, what round was he drafted in? 1st I think... Yea, yea I think that's right. What a wasted pick.

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:
I agree that our O line isnt perfect but I dont think it is a total bust either. This line is filled with 1st and 2nd round picks. There is talent there. I think there are serious problems with coaching, schemes, playcalling that are not helping this situation at all. I dont see why the niners would waste a 1st round pick on a RT. First round Tackles should only be on the left side and even if we do is this guy going to be instantly better than Snyder or Simms??? I dont really think so. Throwing the O line under the bus as our only problem makes as much sense as saying Alex is our only problem.

#1 -- yes, I do believe a 1st round talent coming out this year is better. The schemes? The playcalls? That's what's hindering them? I think it's completely the other way around. And they cannot execute blocking at all. Slow footwork, not strong enough, misreading the rush.

#2 -- I am not saying the o-line is our only problem, but it (and arguably the 2ndary) is above and beyond is our most glaring hole. If the detroit lion defense can get that much pressure consistently, we would get absolutely throttled in a playoff game.

The talent you speak of is not consistent from snap to snap, seems to fail year to year, and needs to be replaced. It's time for our front office to say "you know what? he's not doing his job -- he needs to be REPLACED." If they don't realize this after the years of our line sucking so badly, they shouldn't be our coaches.

Why do you believe a 1st or 2nd round Tackle is going to be instantly better than the 2nd round Tackle (Snyder) with several years of pro experience under his belt? The niners have been paying attention to their O Line and drafting that way in early rounds in recent years but we have no payoff? Obviously Scotty M can't evaluate O line talent or our O line coach isn't doing the job. Id rather find a RT via free agency that wont cost us a boatload of money.

Have you watched Snyder? I'm too lazy to look up the facts, but I'm pretty sure he's either #1 or damn close to the top of the amount of sacks he's given up. Have you not seen the success of the guys that are deemed good talents at the o-line? Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Ryan Clady, hell, even Michael Oher started this year and upgraded the Raven's line. These are all 1st round picks that have instantly upgraded their lines respectively. So, in the fact that Snyder has been full of suck the entire time he's been in SF and considering how much trouble we have containing defensive pressure, I am going to say 100% YES, we should waste (as you put it) a 1st round pick to get a book-end that will finally solve our most glaring issue for the years to come.

I guy named Joe Staley comes to mind. Solid from day one for the most part.

Snyder doesn't hold a candle to him.

Hey Blitz, what round was he drafted in? 1st I think... Yea, yea I think that's right. What a wasted pick.

It was so easy, even the caveman Nolan could do it.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:
I agree that our O line isnt perfect but I dont think it is a total bust either. This line is filled with 1st and 2nd round picks. There is talent there. I think there are serious problems with coaching, schemes, playcalling that are not helping this situation at all. I dont see why the niners would waste a 1st round pick on a RT. First round Tackles should only be on the left side and even if we do is this guy going to be instantly better than Snyder or Simms??? I dont really think so. Throwing the O line under the bus as our only problem makes as much sense as saying Alex is our only problem.

#1 -- yes, I do believe a 1st round talent coming out this year is better. The schemes? The playcalls? That's what's hindering them? I think it's completely the other way around. And they cannot execute blocking at all. Slow footwork, not strong enough, misreading the rush.

#2 -- I am not saying the o-line is our only problem, but it (and arguably the 2ndary) is above and beyond is our most glaring hole. If the detroit lion defense can get that much pressure consistently, we would get absolutely throttled in a playoff game.

The talent you speak of is not consistent from snap to snap, seems to fail year to year, and needs to be replaced. It's time for our front office to say "you know what? he's not doing his job -- he needs to be REPLACED." If they don't realize this after the years of our line sucking so badly, they shouldn't be our coaches.

Why do you believe a 1st or 2nd round Tackle is going to be instantly better than the 2nd round Tackle (Snyder) with several years of pro experience under his belt? The niners have been paying attention to their O Line and drafting that way in early rounds in recent years but we have no payoff? Obviously Scotty M can't evaluate O line talent or our O line coach isn't doing the job. Id rather find a RT via free agency that wont cost us a boatload of money.

Have you watched Snyder? I'm too lazy to look up the facts, but I'm pretty sure he's either #1 or damn close to the top of the amount of sacks he's given up. Have you not seen the success of the guys that are deemed good talents at the o-line? Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Ryan Clady, hell, even Michael Oher started this year and upgraded the Raven's line. These are all 1st round picks that have instantly upgraded their lines respectively. So, in the fact that Snyder has been full of suck the entire time he's been in SF and considering how much trouble we have containing defensive pressure, I am going to say 100% YES, we should waste (as you put it) a 1st round pick to get a book-end that will finally solve our most glaring issue for the years to come.

I guy named Joe Staley comes to mind. Solid from day one for the most part.

Snyder doesn't hold a candle to him.

Hey Blitz, what round was he drafted in? 1st I think... Yea, yea I think that's right. What a wasted pick.

It was so easy, even the caveman Nolan could do it.

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:

Originally posted by chico49erfan:

Originally posted by 9er2631:
I agree that our O line isnt perfect but I dont think it is a total bust either. This line is filled with 1st and 2nd round picks. There is talent there. I think there are serious problems with coaching, schemes, playcalling that are not helping this situation at all. I dont see why the niners would waste a 1st round pick on a RT. First round Tackles should only be on the left side and even if we do is this guy going to be instantly better than Snyder or Simms??? I dont really think so. Throwing the O line under the bus as our only problem makes as much sense as saying Alex is our only problem.

#1 -- yes, I do believe a 1st round talent coming out this year is better. The schemes? The playcalls? That's what's hindering them? I think it's completely the other way around. And they cannot execute blocking at all. Slow footwork, not strong enough, misreading the rush.

#2 -- I am not saying the o-line is our only problem, but it (and arguably the 2ndary) is above and beyond is our most glaring hole. If the detroit lion defense can get that much pressure consistently, we would get absolutely throttled in a playoff game.

The talent you speak of is not consistent from snap to snap, seems to fail year to year, and needs to be replaced. It's time for our front office to say "you know what? he's not doing his job -- he needs to be REPLACED." If they don't realize this after the years of our line sucking so badly, they shouldn't be our coaches.

Why do you believe a 1st or 2nd round Tackle is going to be instantly better than the 2nd round Tackle (Snyder) with several years of pro experience under his belt? The niners have been paying attention to their O Line and drafting that way in early rounds in recent years but we have no payoff? Obviously Scotty M can't evaluate O line talent or our O line coach isn't doing the job. Id rather find a RT via free agency that wont cost us a boatload of money.

Have you watched Snyder? I'm too lazy to look up the facts, but I'm pretty sure he's either #1 or damn close to the top of the amount of sacks he's given up. Have you not seen the success of the guys that are deemed good talents at the o-line? Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Ryan Clady, hell, even Michael Oher started this year and upgraded the Raven's line. These are all 1st round picks that have instantly upgraded their lines respectively. So, in the fact that Snyder has been full of suck the entire time he's been in SF and considering how much trouble we have containing defensive pressure, I am going to say 100% YES, we should waste (as you put it) a 1st round pick to get a book-end that will finally solve our most glaring issue for the years to come.

I guy named Joe Staley comes to mind. Solid from day one for the most part.

Snyder doesn't hold a candle to him.

Hey Blitz, what round was he drafted in? 1st I think... Yea, yea I think that's right. What a wasted pick.

It was so easy, even the caveman Nolan could do it.

Besides....there are never any FA RT who are worth a s**t, that don't cost a Titanic load of money. Asking to find one on the cheap is pissing in the wind. lol

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by BobS:
Alex has next to no pocket presence, as soon has he feels heat he rolls to his right and usually throws the ball out of bounds. The pass blocking of the line is not as horrible as the likes of Smith and Hill make it seem, their run blocking is atrocious.
Alex is way too slow going through his reads, he threw way too many check downs today against the Lions. He is also inaccurate even his completed passes end up in places where receivers cannot catch the ball in stride. I saw 2 screen passes today that were caught, thrown behind the receivers. He makes bad throws and mental errors that a High School Qb should not make. I was happy he got his second chance as he is much better than Shaun Hill, but I have seen enough, time for the 49ers to try someone else.

You state the obvious but fail to look for the reason behind it.

49er opponents have learned how to defend against them: they send an extra pass rusher into the middle to keep Heitmann occupied and then overload the rest of the left side, which allows the rush to get through, forcing Smith to roll right. They then double the receivers on the right side, leaving no options open to throw to, hence, the throw aways.

It isn't rocket science but the combination of poor blocking technique and inexperienced receivers allows it to be very effective.

Thank goodness, this is one of the most puzzling things I have come to read on this board.

"WHYZ SMITH ALL WAYEEZ RUNEENG RITE AND THROW OUT OF BOWNDZ?"

When teams bring heat, it almost always comes from Smith's blindside. To say he does not have pocket presence when he is actually feeling the pressure from that side and is able to escape it is just absolutely wrong.

Secondly, Smith has three options when the all-out blitz is being brought from that side.

1) Roll left into the blitzers and get smashed.
2) Step up into collapsing pocket and get smashed, this time by much heavier individuals.
3) Or roll right, AWAY from the pressure, try to create extra time to find the open man, attempt to make a play, and if there are none available don't force it and throw the ball away safely.

This is what occurs when either we are unable to pick-up the blitz, or the blocking is so bad, players just break straight through the line. Baas' inconsistency is likely hurting the most. He can run block, but in the passing game, just like Rachal.. he often struggles.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by BobS:
Alex has next to no pocket presence, as soon has he feels heat he rolls to his right and usually throws the ball out of bounds. The pass blocking of the line is not as horrible as the likes of Smith and Hill make it seem, their run blocking is atrocious.
Alex is way too slow going through his reads, he threw way too many check downs today against the Lions. He is also inaccurate even his completed passes end up in places where receivers cannot catch the ball in stride. I saw 2 screen passes today that were caught, thrown behind the receivers. He makes bad throws and mental errors that a High School Qb should not make. I was happy he got his second chance as he is much better than Shaun Hill, but I have seen enough, time for the 49ers to try someone else.

You state the obvious but fail to look for the reason behind it.

49er opponents have learned how to defend against them: they send an extra pass rusher into the middle to keep Heitmann occupied and then overload the rest of the left side, which allows the rush to get through, forcing Smith to roll right. They then double the receivers on the right side, leaving no options open to throw to, hence, the throw aways.

It isn't rocket science but the combination of poor blocking technique and inexperienced receivers allows it to be very effective.

Thank goodness, this is one of the most puzzling things I have come to read on this board.

"WHYZ SMITH ALL WAYEEZ RUNEENG RITE AND THROW OUT OF BOWNDZ?"

When teams bring heat, it almost always comes from Smith's blindside. To say he does not have pocket presence when he is actually feeling the pressure from that side and is able to escape it is just absolutely wrong.

Secondly, Smith has three options when the all-out blitz is being brought from that side.

1) Roll left into the blitzers and get smashed.
2) Step up into collapsing pocket and get smashed, this time by much heavier individuals.
3) Or roll right, AWAY from the pressure, try to create extra time to find the open man, attempt to make a play, and if there are none available don't force it and throw the ball away safely.

This is what occurs when either we are unable to pick-up the blitz, or the blocking is so bad, players just break straight through the line. Baas' inconsistency is likely hurting the most. He can run block, but in the passing game, just like Rachal.. he often struggles.

so r u suggesting we release rachal, baas, and snyder and replace them all? that is not going to happen. i also really disagree with taking a RT in the 1st round. I would only draft a RT after the 1st round. We would end up overpaying a guy if we drafted a RT in the 1st round. I think Rachal is improving. He is extremely young and Baas although he has been in the league for several years is really only playing in his 2nd full season.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by BobS:
Alex has next to no pocket presence, as soon has he feels heat he rolls to his right and usually throws the ball out of bounds. The pass blocking of the line is not as horrible as the likes of Smith and Hill make it seem, their run blocking is atrocious.
Alex is way too slow going through his reads, he threw way too many check downs today against the Lions. He is also inaccurate even his completed passes end up in places where receivers cannot catch the ball in stride. I saw 2 screen passes today that were caught, thrown behind the receivers. He makes bad throws and mental errors that a High School Qb should not make. I was happy he got his second chance as he is much better than Shaun Hill, but I have seen enough, time for the 49ers to try someone else.

You state the obvious but fail to look for the reason behind it.

49er opponents have learned how to defend against them: they send an extra pass rusher into the middle to keep Heitmann occupied and then overload the rest of the left side, which allows the rush to get through, forcing Smith to roll right. They then double the receivers on the right side, leaving no options open to throw to, hence, the throw aways.

It isn't rocket science but the combination of poor blocking technique and inexperienced receivers allows it to be very effective.

Thank goodness, this is one of the most puzzling things I have come to read on this board.

"WHYZ SMITH ALL WAYEEZ RUNEENG RITE AND THROW OUT OF BOWNDZ?"

When teams bring heat, it almost always comes from Smith's blindside. To say he does not have pocket presence when he is actually feeling the pressure from that side and is able to escape it is just absolutely wrong.

Secondly, Smith has three options when the all-out blitz is being brought from that side.

1) Roll left into the blitzers and get smashed.
2) Step up into collapsing pocket and get smashed, this time by much heavier individuals.
3) Or roll right, AWAY from the pressure, try to create extra time to find the open man, attempt to make a play, and if there are none available don't force it and throw the ball away safely.

This is what occurs when either we are unable to pick-up the blitz, or the blocking is so bad, players just break straight through the line. Baas' inconsistency is likely hurting the most. He can run block, but in the passing game, just like Rachal.. he often struggles.

Whatever, dude. Here is what I want to know: "WHYZ SMITH ALL WAYEEZ RUNEENG RITE AND THROW OUT OF BOWNDZ?" and "WHY IZ ALECSX TEH SUX0RS?!?111!?"

Big Ben...Jimmy Clausen....it's going to be a hell of a nervewracking couple of days in the Alex Smith household.

Originally posted by zillabeast:
Big Ben...Jimmy Clausen....it's going to be a hell of a nervewracking couple of days in the Alex Smith household.

well at least he can rest easy now.

we actually made 2 great choices, i give our draft an A for today.

Originally posted by Jersey9er:

Originally posted by zillabeast:
Big Ben...Jimmy Clausen....it's going to be a hell of a nervewracking couple of days in the Alex Smith household.

well at least he can rest easy now.

we actually made 2 great choices, i give our draft an A for today.

No Haden, no Clausen! Grade A draft indeed.