Making Changes: A Quarterback Change Will Not Help us.

Good, OTC. Everything starts with the lines

Great idea, let's stick with a QB who averages 6.0 yards an attempt, which puts him in the bottom 5. Also we need to stick with a GM that no one else would want, and a HC that is nothing more than a motivational speaker who gets out coached badly every Sunday. Better keep the OC who has nothing but a mediocre resume at best, because sticking with Raye will give us continuity in our strive to be considered average. The limit for this current mess is 8-8 at best.

Originally posted by BobS:
Great idea, let's stick with a QB who averages 6.0 yards an attempt, which puts him in the bottom 5. Also we need to stick with a GM that no one else would want, and a HC that is nothing more than a motivational speaker who gets out coached badly every Sunday. Better keep the OC who has nothing but a mediocre resume at best, because sticking with Raye will give us continuity in our strive to be considered average. The limit for this current mess is 8-8 at best.

Present a proposition that solves our problems for next year. Lay out a plan, then.

17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

I'd analyze each and every 3rd down to answer that. Were they run or pass plays? Was Smith being sacked? Did players drop passes?

Look at those things to evaluate how much Alex has had to do with that.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

QB can't do much with no pass protection, and TERRIBLE PLAY CALLS.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

I'd analyze each and every 3rd down to answer that. Were they run or pass plays? Was Smith being sacked? Did players drop passes?

Look at those things to evaluate how much Alex has had to do with that.

Alex makes bad decisions all of the time. More often than not he does not give his WRs a chance to run with the ball. A different QB will make a difference. Some QB's are not bothered by lineman running at them.

Nice post OTC. 2 or 3 new quality starters on the OL is the only thing this offense needs.

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

I'd analyze each and every 3rd down to answer that. Were they run or pass plays? Was Smith being sacked? Did players drop passes?

Look at those things to evaluate how much Alex has had to do with that.

Alex makes bad decisions all of the time. More often than not he does not give his WRs a chance to run with the ball. A different QB will make a difference. Some QB's are not bothered by lineman running at them.

Who will make a difference?

And bad decisions all of the time? Really? Substantiate the argument.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

The overall intelligence level and inability to think things through by some here is utterly disturbing to say the least.

This board is incredibly frustrating.

thats why i rarely post, i just read. trying to talk to some of the posters on here is like talking to a wall...you're pissed cuz the wall is stupid, but then u realize you're the idiot talking to a wall...

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

The overall intelligence level and inability to think things through by some here is utterly disturbing to say the least.

This board is incredibly frustrating.

I'm glad he's improved his hard count, and 15 yard seam route to VD.

His pocket presence is still not where it should be, his deep ball is worse than ever, he still lacks "touch" by throwing a bullet at his RB standing 3 yards away, and wide open.

Face it, VD has bailed him out on many TD throws, few TE's/WR's, can run that seam route the way he does, make the catch over the shoulder, while getting hit, and still hold on. The Crabtree TD, both of em were tough catches, and so was Gore's TD.

He doesn't make it easy for his receivers at all, complain about the drops, but then you also have to complain about the placement of some of those passes.

If we want to compare, let's do it with Rogers, same s**tty OL, if not worse, and still makes plays. The Packers have 41 dropped passes as a team, while the Niners only have 30 (13 w/Hill)...No to mention the huge difference when both QB's are under pressure, Alex sits at 48 percent, while Rodgers 58 percent passing completion - 7 TD's 1 INT, while still getting sacked 48 times, compared to Alex's 18.

We took the wrong QB, it's blatantly obvious how much better Rodgers is, and it's not even by a little, there is not debate at all, that's sad.

Rodgers
Smith

I hope that was "intelligent" enough.
That was from the other thread Smith thread...because we need like 8 of them.

I believe that with a RT/LG/Safety/Pass rusher, this team can be a good playoff team (even if only 3 of those would happen), no doubt about it. With a solid QB, this team can be SB contender.

With you all the way OTC. For years there's been non-stop whining about QB play. I remember when people complained about Steve Young's play. Our Oline is Swiss Cheese. Week in and week out the line is at very best INCONSISTENT. If Smith had some protection we'd win a lot more games. He isn't the best QB but he has enough to take us into the playoffs. Our Oline can't take us to a winning season.

Look what a good line has done for Orton who flat out sucked in Chicago. Fix the line and we'll do fine.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
17 straight 3rd downs without a conversion...At what point, does this become the QB's fault as well? Especially, when he is supposed to be so intelligent, and can also make plays with his legs.

This team is a QB/RT/FS away from being a playoff team, and possibly even a contender.

I'd analyze each and every 3rd down to answer that. Were they run or pass plays? Was Smith being sacked? Did players drop passes?

Look at those things to evaluate how much Alex has had to do with that.

Alex makes bad decisions all of the time. More often than not he does not give his WRs a chance to run with the ball. A different QB will make a difference. Some QB's are not bothered by lineman running at them.

Who will make a difference?

And bad decisions all of the time? Really? Substantiate the argument.

There are examples in every game that he has played this year. Alex does not have to go to his check down every time he is pressured. If Alex is hearing footsteps because of the amount of times he has been hit, it might be time to get somebody else in there who is not going to overreact when a lineman runs at him.

All of the winning teams have a QB who can make throws under pressure. Alex is not it.

I can argue that a late throw is bad decision. There were at least two examples of late throws today alone that killed drives.

Well a new QB wouldn't do great under this OLine, but they might do better than Alex. I'm a supporter of his but he should be playing better than he is today and he's missing some throws he should make. He's not helping my case.