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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by remdob1:
I say reduce his contract by 1% for every day he holds out starting now. His value for us this season drops everyday he is not practicing, why not his contract?

And this will solve anything? You know this is silly. It will only drive him away from the table. What is he going to do, limp up to the table and beg for forgiveness?

MadDog is right. You can't go to that extreme when ego's are at stake.

Whatever chance there is of him signing at this point, it will go to 0% if you start playing games with him.
Originally posted by GoNiners:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Crabtree will sign soon...

how do you figure?

Maybe he took a crash course in Mathematics and finally figured out that what he's being threatening just won't pay off for him. Maybe he should have stayed in college and got a degree in Math.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by remdob1:
I say reduce his contract by 1% for every day he holds out starting now. His value for us this season drops everyday he is not practicing, why not his contract?

And this will solve anything? You know this is silly. It will only drive him away from the table. What is he going to do, limp up to the table and beg for forgiveness?

MadDog is right. You can't go to that extreme when ego's are at stake.

Whatever chance there is of him signing at this point, it will go to 0% if you start playing games with him.


The niners wont do this. They have been straight with him from the beginning. They have never bad mouth him or put any pressure on him to sign.
What I am starting to get angry about is that; ESPN has not touched the Crabtree Story since early August. I wish all those ESPN commentators would just rip Crabtree a new one to really turn the Country against him and Parker. If this was a Cowboy or Patriot Holdout they would have daily updates "Crabtree Watch"and Daily competitive banter on PTI.
Forget him, the more i think about it, the more he isnt worth it. Lets say that we do even sign him, who wants this drama queen on the team? can you only imigane what will happen if he doenst get enough receptions? we will have to hear him cry and wine. can you imigane what will happen when he gets more receptions than he should be? he will want more money, show up late to practices,....etc. fuk him, who does he think he is? he is really getting on my nerves. The guy hasnt played a down yet, and causing all this drama. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk him
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by jimbagg:
The stakes are about to get serious for Crabtree. To this point, holding out has cost him nothing (except skipping Singletary's brutal TC). But beginning Sunday, September 13, he loses 1/17th of his potential 2009 salary. That's a big number. He can't replace those dollars with a comparable job.

I expect him to sign within the next 72 hours. All this bull from Deion Sanders, etc is a last gasp negotiating strategy. Time favors the Niners and seriously hurts Crabtree. McCloughan, Crabtree and Eugene Parker all know this.

The Niners are handling this perfectly. No negative comments directed toward Crabtree. I foresee a 2-part response by the club. First, sign Crabtree. Second, and ONLY after Crabtree is signed, the club will be ruthless in going after some draft pick compensation for the obvious tampering. But that is being kept under wraps for now, in order to maintain a positive environment for Crabtree to sign.

If Crabtree's holdout continues into the regular season, through Week 3 or so, it becomes more likely that the Niners would find a "pre-existing physical issue", so that they could PUP him through Week 6, then drop a player to add him to the 53-man roster. Crabtree could then have time to learn the playbook and be a productive contributor to the 53-man roster.

Ah, a voice of reason. Nicely stated.

It should prove interesting to see how Crabby reacts to actually losing some money. It would be reasonable to see him come to the table within the next 72 hours, but he hasn't proven himself to be very reasonable so far.

And, at the same time, it will be interesting to see how the Niners react to a group of WR's without Michael Crabtree. It works both ways, guys.

Labor needs management, and management needs quality labor.

Even assuming that, someday, he actually proves himself to be an NFL quality WR, Crabby does not have a monopoly on the WR position.

Aren't there going to be any WR FA's on the market next season, some of whom may actually have already proven their worth?

Isn't Brandon Marshall going to be a FA next year, for example? Might he not be a potential trade option for Crabby in March if his current problems with Denver persist, as seems likely?

Yes, it works both ways, but only to a degree.

The difference is that if the Niners are wrong, they're going to have to find a WR somewhere else, but will undoubtedly struggle along without Crabby.

If Crabby's wrong, he will have cost himself MILLIONS of dollars.

Of course, per Dieon, he won't miss what he never had.
I'm beginning to wonder if the removal of DT Khalif Mitchell from the practice squad might signal that something is in the works to get Michael Crabtree in before the start of the season? Yeah, this might be a reach, but I have a feeling something gets done within the next 48-72 hours!





[ Edited by PTulini on Sep 8, 2009 at 16:05:56 ]
Also I say we write letters and send Emails to Subway, Nike, and EA about how they are just standing by while this greedy person is representing their companies.
One element that's lost in this is the disproportionate amount of money that's been given to rookies as a whole, often at the detriment of a franchise. The teams have given up far too much leverage for far too long, especially when negotiating with player's whose best alternative is to sit out a year and take their chances in the next draft.

Established stars on the open market are commanding similar amounts of guaranteed money as unproven rookies who aren't on the open market are.

It's easy for an agent to say, "we want more than the guy who was drafted in our slot last year", but at some point a team has to look at their overall payroll and realize that it's a poor risk/reward ratio.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Sep 8, 2009 at 16:04:23 ]
i hope you're f'n right man... I just remember how happy I was when he fell to us in the draft. How quickly that precious moment turned to sadness.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
One element that's lost in this is the disproportionate amount of money that's been given to rookies as a whole, often at the detriment of a franchise. The teams have given up far too much leverage for far too long, especially when negotiating with player's whose best alternative is to sit out a year and take their chances in the next draft.

Established stars on the open market are commanding similar amounts of guaranteed money as unproven rookies who aren't on the open market are?

It's easy for an agent to say, "we want more than the guy who was drafted in our slot last year", but at some point a team has to look at their overall payroll and realize that it's a poor risk/reward ratio.

hopefully this crabtree situation will force the NFL to look into a rookie salary cap. s**t's ridiculous!
Originally posted by GodismyLight:
What I am starting to get angry about is that; ESPN has not touched the Crabtree Story since early August. I wish all those ESPN commentators would just rip Crabtree a new one to really turn the Country against him and Parker. If this was a Cowboy or Patriot Holdout they would have daily updates "Crabtree Watch"and Daily competitive banter on PTI.


Oh yeah and this.



[ Edited by GodismyLight on Sep 8, 2009 at 16:07:01 ]
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by remdob1:
I say reduce his contract by 1% for every day he holds out starting now. His value for us this season drops everyday he is not practicing, why not his contract?

And this will solve anything? You know this is silly. It will only drive him away from the table. What is he going to do, limp up to the table and beg for forgiveness?

MadDog is right. You can't go to that extreme when ego's are at stake.

Whatever chance there is of him signing at this point, it will go to 0% if you start playing games with him.

It is not playing games, I feel what ever we offered him was for "Full" seasons. I can say even if he signs today he won't give us any value for this sundays game. So why should our current offer stand? We should devalue his contract by the amount of games he is not ready or able to play in.
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There is plenty of room to negotiate a contract that gives each side enough to save face. That is what is most important right now.

For anyone to say that Crabtree is not worth the investment is a statement that is ignorant of the facts. If he had been fully healthy and the 49ers had traded up to fifth spot to get him, everyone would have been delighted. He is the same guy.

It is at this point that a skilled negotiator will get a job done in about three hours.

If the 49ers do not get this done in some way, they will be the loser. No team will trade for him next spring and give the 49ers the same value. A draft choice is always a risk. Crabtree is and so will whoever they draft next year.

I would rather have the 2-time winner.
Originally posted by PTulini:
I'm beginning to wonder if the removal of DT Khalif Mitchell from the practice squad might signal that something is in the works to get Michael Crabtree in before the start of the season? Yeah, this might be a reach, but I have a feeling something gets done within the next 48-72 hours!

Like trading one disgruntled receiver for a rookie disgruntled receiver, i.e. Denver trades Marshall for Crabtree's rights.

I know it has been brought up before but I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this happen given the apparent stalemate between the Nines and the Diva.
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