Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by TheChosenOne:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by GoNiners:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I see what you're saying but there was a reason teams passed on him. Whether it was because of his foot or him being immature and a drama queen. If all the teams knew he was that damn good they would've drafted him higher but he wasn't. He needs to know this is how the draft works, you're drafted where you are and that's that. Yes he's a hell of a WR and has a load of talent and he needs to prove that on the field instead of holding out for more money. Prove you're worth the s**t load of money on the field first.

Couple notes: The "drama queen" or "diva" comment came from Eric Mangini, who is a tool. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach came right out and tore the Browns apart for this characterization. It may be true, or false, but it simply their perspective. However, people have tended to latch onto this characterization as if came from the mouth of Jesus, not one of the least liked people in the NFL.

As for proving you're worth the money, that is not how the current rookie salary structure works. None of the rookies have proven anything, so you would have to punish the entire rookie class with that statement.

Almost nobody on the planet could perceive Crabtree dropping to ten back in February. And, he probably wouldn't have dropped if not for a temp injury. So, to me, I think he's got a case to say, "Look, this thing is healed, I am the same player that everyone was hyped about and projected in the top 5 picks, and I am worth more than the 10th overall selection."

Hey MadDog explain to me what happened to Brady Quinn couple years bk when he fell out of the top ten almost to 22nd if my mind serves correct...? Why didn't he cry wolf like craptree is doing...?

Brady had every opportunity to impress scouts, coaches, GM's in workouts. Crabtree was not given that opportunity.

In other words, Brady blew his chance. Crabtree never had a chance.

That is the big difference.

but it wasn't like no one allowed Crabtree to work out. He had an injury. Them's the breaks. It's unfortunate, and I understand Crabtree being upset, but an awful lot of players are drafted lower than their real-world value because of concerns about injuries. It seems to me that the best thing to do is to go play football and prove those people wrong.

I don't see the drop over the concern about injuries, but rather they did not have a chance to see him work out, which makes teams hesitant with high first rounders. The foot does not seem to be a risky issue for teams, to my knowledge.

maybe, but the injured foot and the inability to work out are intertwined, are they not? the injury causes him not to work out, causes teams to be hesitant because they haven't run their "tests" on him, so they pass on him, etc. It might not have been "oh, he's injured, screw that, we're not drafting him," but it also wasn't like they said, "Sorry Michael, we're not going to watch you work out for no good reason."

All I'm saying is that some of why he dropped was clearly out of his control, as well as that of the teams, and not all that unique.

I would beg to differ over the uniqueness of a top prospect not being able to work out, and in the meantime, a far less-productive and much lower-graded prospect leapfrogs him to be the first WR taken.

I've always say that I cannot understand how DHB can receive that ridiculous salary and Crabtree is stuck with something so outrageously lower by simply bowing to the "slot gods". I think he's got a good case to receive compensation commiserate with DHB's contract, either in guaranteed money or total money.

I agree about the ridiculousness of DHB's contract, and think that very much affects the negotiations.

However, as has been stated a million times in this thread, I'm sure, the Raiders made a choice, as did the other 9 teams, and Crabtree wasn't it. No matter what the reasons, that's how it works. Everyone thought Crabs would be drafted higher, but he wasn't, and he should get over it.

When "getting over it" equals more than $10 million dollars in difference to a player in a same position that you know is inferior, and everyone knows is inferior, and was projected far below you before your temporary injury, it is hard to get over.

Originally posted by KNRO1670:

Originally posted by valrod33:
something is brewing, i can feel it in my man parts, could it be crabs?

It sure could be. Let's hope it is!

Originally posted by rum53:
There is some truth to the saying "out of sight out of mind". The college season is in full swing and there are already several highly touted WR's putting up big numbers while Crabtree is sitting at home out of the sight and out of mind. Also, the holdout gives the impression that Crabtree is a potential character risk. All in all, there is absolutely no guarantee that he'll be drafted in the top 10 of the 2010 draft.

Very valid point, IMO. Crabs will not be a "sexy" pick in '10, compared to the top 2-5 WRs coming out with good health and recent tape. That has an impact.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by TheChosenOne:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by GoNiners:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I see what you're saying but there was a reason teams passed on him. Whether it was because of his foot or him being immature and a drama queen. If all the teams knew he was that damn good they would've drafted him higher but he wasn't. He needs to know this is how the draft works, you're drafted where you are and that's that. Yes he's a hell of a WR and has a load of talent and he needs to prove that on the field instead of holding out for more money. Prove you're worth the s**t load of money on the field first.

Couple notes: The "drama queen" or "diva" comment came from Eric Mangini, who is a tool. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach came right out and tore the Browns apart for this characterization. It may be true, or false, but it simply their perspective. However, people have tended to latch onto this characterization as if came from the mouth of Jesus, not one of the least liked people in the NFL.

As for proving you're worth the money, that is not how the current rookie salary structure works. None of the rookies have proven anything, so you would have to punish the entire rookie class with that statement.

Almost nobody on the planet could perceive Crabtree dropping to ten back in February. And, he probably wouldn't have dropped if not for a temp injury. So, to me, I think he's got a case to say, "Look, this thing is healed, I am the same player that everyone was hyped about and projected in the top 5 picks, and I am worth more than the 10th overall selection."

Hey MadDog explain to me what happened to Brady Quinn couple years bk when he fell out of the top ten almost to 22nd if my mind serves correct...? Why didn't he cry wolf like craptree is doing...?

Brady had every opportunity to impress scouts, coaches, GM's in workouts. Crabtree was not given that opportunity.

In other words, Brady blew his chance. Crabtree never had a chance.

That is the big difference.

but it wasn't like no one allowed Crabtree to work out. He had an injury. Them's the breaks. It's unfortunate, and I understand Crabtree being upset, but an awful lot of players are drafted lower than their real-world value because of concerns about injuries. It seems to me that the best thing to do is to go play football and prove those people wrong.

I don't see the drop over the concern about injuries, but rather they did not have a chance to see him work out, which makes teams hesitant with high first rounders. The foot does not seem to be a risky issue for teams, to my knowledge.

maybe, but the injured foot and the inability to work out are intertwined, are they not? the injury causes him not to work out, causes teams to be hesitant because they haven't run their "tests" on him, so they pass on him, etc. It might not have been "oh, he's injured, screw that, we're not drafting him," but it also wasn't like they said, "Sorry Michael, we're not going to watch you work out for no good reason."

All I'm saying is that some of why he dropped was clearly out of his control, as well as that of the teams, and not all that unique.

I would beg to differ over the uniqueness of a top prospect not being able to work out, and in the meantime, a far less-productive and much lower-graded prospect leapfrogs him to be the first WR taken.

I've always say that I cannot understand how DHB can receive that ridiculous salary and Crabtree is stuck with something so outrageously lower by simply bowing to the "slot gods". I think he's got a good case to receive compensation commiserate with DHB's contract, either in guaranteed money or total money.

I agree about the ridiculousness of DHB's contract, and think that very much affects the negotiations.

However, as has been stated a million times in this thread, I'm sure, the Raiders made a choice, as did the other 9 teams, and Crabtree wasn't it. No matter what the reasons, that's how it works. Everyone thought Crabs would be drafted higher, but he wasn't, and he should get over it.

When "getting over it" equals more than $10 million dollars in difference to a player in a same position that you know is inferior, and everyone knows is inferior, and was projected far below you before your temporary injury, it is hard to get over.

isn't it pretty to think so?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by TheChosenOne:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by GoNiners:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I see what you're saying but there was a reason teams passed on him. Whether it was because of his foot or him being immature and a drama queen. If all the teams knew he was that damn good they would've drafted him higher but he wasn't. He needs to know this is how the draft works, you're drafted where you are and that's that. Yes he's a hell of a WR and has a load of talent and he needs to prove that on the field instead of holding out for more money. Prove you're worth the s**t load of money on the field first.

Couple notes: The "drama queen" or "diva" comment came from Eric Mangini, who is a tool. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach came right out and tore the Browns apart for this characterization. It may be true, or false, but it simply their perspective. However, people have tended to latch onto this characterization as if came from the mouth of Jesus, not one of the least liked people in the NFL.

As for proving you're worth the money, that is not how the current rookie salary structure works. None of the rookies have proven anything, so you would have to punish the entire rookie class with that statement.

Almost nobody on the planet could perceive Crabtree dropping to ten back in February. And, he probably wouldn't have dropped if not for a temp injury. So, to me, I think he's got a case to say, "Look, this thing is healed, I am the same player that everyone was hyped about and projected in the top 5 picks, and I am worth more than the 10th overall selection."

Hey MadDog explain to me what happened to Brady Quinn couple years bk when he fell out of the top ten almost to 22nd if my mind serves correct...? Why didn't he cry wolf like craptree is doing...?

Brady had every opportunity to impress scouts, coaches, GM's in workouts. Crabtree was not given that opportunity.

In other words, Brady blew his chance. Crabtree never had a chance.

That is the big difference.

but it wasn't like no one allowed Crabtree to work out. He had an injury. Them's the breaks. It's unfortunate, and I understand Crabtree being upset, but an awful lot of players are drafted lower than their real-world value because of concerns about injuries. It seems to me that the best thing to do is to go play football and prove those people wrong.

I don't see the drop over the concern about injuries, but rather they did not have a chance to see him work out, which makes teams hesitant with high first rounders. The foot does not seem to be a risky issue for teams, to my knowledge.

maybe, but the injured foot and the inability to work out are intertwined, are they not? the injury causes him not to work out, causes teams to be hesitant because they haven't run their "tests" on him, so they pass on him, etc. It might not have been "oh, he's injured, screw that, we're not drafting him," but it also wasn't like they said, "Sorry Michael, we're not going to watch you work out for no good reason."

All I'm saying is that some of why he dropped was clearly out of his control, as well as that of the teams, and not all that unique.

I would beg to differ over the uniqueness of a top prospect not being able to work out, and in the meantime, a far less-productive and much lower-graded prospect leapfrogs him to be the first WR taken.

I've always say that I cannot understand how DHB can receive that ridiculous salary and Crabtree is stuck with something so outrageously lower by simply bowing to the "slot gods". I think he's got a good case to receive compensation commiserate with DHB's contract, either in guaranteed money or total money.

I agree about the ridiculousness of DHB's contract, and think that very much affects the negotiations.

However, as has been stated a million times in this thread, I'm sure, the Raiders made a choice, as did the other 9 teams, and Crabtree wasn't it. No matter what the reasons, that's how it works. Everyone thought Crabs would be drafted higher, but he wasn't, and he should get over it.

When "getting over it" equals more than $10 million dollars in difference to a player in a same position that you know is inferior, and everyone knows is inferior, and was projected far below you before your temporary injury, it is hard to get over.

Didn't he get a s**tload of money from Nike or something? It's not like he's broke at this point in his life. The dude has money

With all the talk about Crabtree sitting out until next year's draft, I don't think that there is any chance it will get that far. If he sits out the season, the Niners will have no choice but to trade his rights after March 1st to get some kind of compensation, if they cannot get him signed.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by TheChosenOne:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by GoNiners:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I see what you're saying but there was a reason teams passed on him. Whether it was because of his foot or him being immature and a drama queen. If all the teams knew he was that damn good they would've drafted him higher but he wasn't. He needs to know this is how the draft works, you're drafted where you are and that's that. Yes he's a hell of a WR and has a load of talent and he needs to prove that on the field instead of holding out for more money. Prove you're worth the s**t load of money on the field first.

Couple notes: The "drama queen" or "diva" comment came from Eric Mangini, who is a tool. Texas Tech coach Mike Leach came right out and tore the Browns apart for this characterization. It may be true, or false, but it simply their perspective. However, people have tended to latch onto this characterization as if came from the mouth of Jesus, not one of the least liked people in the NFL.

As for proving you're worth the money, that is not how the current rookie salary structure works. None of the rookies have proven anything, so you would have to punish the entire rookie class with that statement.

Almost nobody on the planet could perceive Crabtree dropping to ten back in February. And, he probably wouldn't have dropped if not for a temp injury. So, to me, I think he's got a case to say, "Look, this thing is healed, I am the same player that everyone was hyped about and projected in the top 5 picks, and I am worth more than the 10th overall selection."

Hey MadDog explain to me what happened to Brady Quinn couple years bk when he fell out of the top ten almost to 22nd if my mind serves correct...? Why didn't he cry wolf like craptree is doing...?

Brady had every opportunity to impress scouts, coaches, GM's in workouts. Crabtree was not given that opportunity.

In other words, Brady blew his chance. Crabtree never had a chance.

That is the big difference.

but it wasn't like no one allowed Crabtree to work out. He had an injury. Them's the breaks. It's unfortunate, and I understand Crabtree being upset, but an awful lot of players are drafted lower than their real-world value because of concerns about injuries. It seems to me that the best thing to do is to go play football and prove those people wrong.

I don't see the drop over the concern about injuries, but rather they did not have a chance to see him work out, which makes teams hesitant with high first rounders. The foot does not seem to be a risky issue for teams, to my knowledge.

maybe, but the injured foot and the inability to work out are intertwined, are they not? the injury causes him not to work out, causes teams to be hesitant because they haven't run their "tests" on him, so they pass on him, etc. It might not have been "oh, he's injured, screw that, we're not drafting him," but it also wasn't like they said, "Sorry Michael, we're not going to watch you work out for no good reason."

All I'm saying is that some of why he dropped was clearly out of his control, as well as that of the teams, and not all that unique.

I would beg to differ over the uniqueness of a top prospect not being able to work out, and in the meantime, a far less-productive and much lower-graded prospect leapfrogs him to be the first WR taken.

I've always say that I cannot understand how DHB can receive that ridiculous salary and Crabtree is stuck with something so outrageously lower by simply bowing to the "slot gods". I think he's got a good case to receive compensation commiserate with DHB's contract, either in guaranteed money or total money.

So if the Raiders drafted another position then the contract the 9ers have offered would be acceptable? Makes no sense. Teams have different boards every year. I'm sure Crabtree wasn't the highest rated WR on every teams board as Macklin was rated very close to Crabtree.

Listening to Colin Cowheard interview with Mike Leech this morning, Leech made Crabtree sound like an aloof shut-in child who is so absorbed in his own world, that he doesn't pay attention to what kind of people are around him or what decisions they make for him. That is some scary stuff. If that were true, I feel bad for the kid.

[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Sep 8, 2009 at 15:37:34 ]

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Psinex:
Does anyone else think that MadDog is on Eugene Parker and Crabtree's payroll? I've not seen anyone else defend him on these message boards. Perhaps they're trying to cast Crabtree in a positive light and make the Niners front office look like the villains here. I've not seen anything other than pro-Crabtree/Parker propaganda spewing from MadDog this past month or two.

I am being paid handsomely.

In actuality, there are no villains here. It is a contract negotiation. People have assigned the parts for this drama, as if it was a play, and Crabtree and Parker have consistently been targeted as Satan and the Goat.

In recap: no villains, no evil people, no baby killers. Simply a contract negotiation. And, a fascinating one, at that.

How is this fascinating?

To me, its like watching a 7 year old playing poker with a pro, and go All-In on the first hand with a 7-2 off suit to steal a small blind.

Do you think the movie "Jackass" is fascinating? Its on the same level as the Crabtree holdout.

There is absolutely nothing intelligent or shrewd taking place from Crabtree's side of this. It is absolutely pathetic.

There is no time in draft history where there is a remotely close comparison to where Crabtree was drafted and what Crabtree wants. Not even remotely.

Randy Moss was a late round pick because of his character. Did he demand top 10 money because he was a top ten talent? Did he hold out? Would it have been fascinating if he did? No.
It would have been absolutely pathetic. Just like Crabtree's holdout.

The only thing fascinating about Crabtree's holdout, is the stupidity required to pursue such a thing.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by rum53:
There is some truth to the saying "out of sight out of mind". The college season is in full swing and there are already several highly touted WR's putting up big numbers while Crabtree is sitting at home out of the sight and out of mind. Also, the holdout gives the impression that Crabtree is a potential character risk. All in all, there is absolutely no guarantee that he'll be drafted in the top 10 of the 2010 draft.

Very valid point, IMO. Crabs will not be a "sexy" pick in '10, compared to the top 2-5 WRs coming out with good health and recent tape. That has an impact.

Don't forget to add in the fact that Crabtree is going to want a whole lot of money.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I'm not at all angry about the slot etc. The 49ers need to deal with that. If they weren't prepared for this kid to fall in their lap then shame on them.

I am angry about all the talk in the media.

It just seems that someone from the NFL should be asking Deion some questions about his so called source. Deion sure seems to be stumping for Crabtree and his agent. Why? And why aren't the 49ers calling his a$$ out?

Crabtree will sign, he will be a niner for the next 4-5 years he will score many tds, and bang many women he will loved by Niner nation

Originally posted by rum53:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

The situation boils down to bad luck. Crabtree was a top talent until he had unfortunate luck - a broken foot. Because of his bad luck, the market (i.e. the NFL draft) set his value at the number 10 pick.

The 49ers paid the price of a #10 draft pick for the rights of Crabtree. In doing so, the 49ers set value set his value since the NFL draft is essentially a free market. If a team valued Crabtree as a top 3 pick, they would have hit the jackpot by trading up and drafting him at picks 4 thru 9. Unfortunately for Crabtree, no team traded up for him.

The 49ers have every right to offer Crabtree #10 money because that is the price that they agreed to pay him by drafting him with the 10th pick. Just as important, they cannot give into Crabtree's unrealistic demands because they will set themselves up for future holdouts.

I understand that Crabtree's bad luck cost him millions of dollars. Unfortunately, the situation is what it is. He is the #10 draft pick whether he likes it or not. Crabtree really only has two options - signing for #10 money or holding out till next years draft.

Most NFL pundits agree that holding out for next year is a risky endeavor. He'll be walking away from a guaranteed $16-$20mil (depending on on the actual offer) in doing so. In sitting out the 2009 season, Crabtree is betting $16mil that he will be drafted higher than 10.

There is some truth to the saying "out of sight out of mind". The college season is in full swing and there are already several highly touted WR's putting up big numbers while Crabtree is sitting at home out of the sight and out of mind. Also, the holdout gives the impression that Crabtree is a potential character risk. All in all, there is absolutely no guarantee that he'll be drafted in the top 10 of the 2010 draft.

IMHO, Crabtree has already made a big mistake and is on the verge of making a fatal mistake. He has already wasted his rookie season. With each passing day he alienates both his teammates and coaches a little bit more. He will not be a top 5 pick or even a top 10 pick in the 2010 draft. His only "rational" option is to sign the offer and join the team ASAP.

Even without the stress fx, he wouldn't have been picked any higher. He needs to stop lying to himself if he thinks the reason why he wasn't picked higher.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Listening to Colin Cowheard interview with Mike Leech this morning, Leech made Crabtree sound like an aloof shut-in child who is so absorbed in his own world, that he doesn't pay attention to what kind of people around him or what decisions they make for him. That is some scary stuff. If that were true, I feel bad for the kid.

Based upon the enormous stupidity required to pursue such a contract, nothing I hear about Crabtree or his "advisors" from this point forward would surprise me in the least.

Killed his girlfriend? Yawn.
Sex video tape of himself turns up on YouTube? Yawn.
Spent his endorsement money on a gold-plated toilet, and now he is broke? Yawn.

Originally posted by bjghum:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Does anyone honestly (be honest now) believe that he would be thrilled to sign a 10th overall slotted contract, and would do so? Especially after seeing a temporary injury push him down the board, and get passed by DHB.

This contract problem was obvious a long time ago, so I don't see why people are so upset to this date. This is not a normal 10th overall selection, it surely wasn't on draft day, and it won't magically become one just because we want it to.

The Niners are going to have to craft a creative contract to get this done, and if not, I think he simply walks away.

P.S. Once again, I don't understand the anger. I think if you put yourself in Crabtree's shoes as one of the dominant players entering the draft, seeing your stock drop due to a temporary injury, personally knowing that you should have been the first WR picked if not for that temporary injury, see that player who undeservedly jump you receive a massively overinflated salary, only to see him stink it up in camps and preseason games, hear of interest from other teams who are willing to throw down big money on you, and are interested in you as their first rounder next year, and think that you can prove the doubters wrong....why would you want to sign a fully-slotted 10th overall contract.

People are way too overemotional. He simply thinks he deserves better, and I believe he has a good case.

Furious response in 5,4,3,2,1...go!

Wait, one final note: If Crabtree was willing to sign for one dollar less than DHB before Monroe and Raji signed, the Niners were the ones who screwed up. The 8th and 9th slots were not closed until late in the negotiation game. The Niners could have not "broken the slot" if they gave Crabtree one less dollar than DHB. Of course, we will never know what each side offered, if Crabtree wanted more, if the Niners offered something more than now before Monroe and Raji signed, etc.

I'm not at all angry about the slot etc. The 49ers need to deal with that. If they weren't prepared for this kid to fall in their lap then shame on them.

I am angry about all the talk in the media.

It just seems that someone from the NFL should be asking Deion some questions about his so called source. Deion sure seems to be stumping for Crabtree and his agent. Why? And why aren't the 49ers calling his a$$ out?

All of these "sources" should be called out, since none of them can get their stories straight. I've called these sources "schizophrenic" for a reason.