Crabtree Discussion Thread

Just saw it on Monday Morning Quarterback on ESPN2, Adam Schefter reports that multiple sources have told him that Crabtree plans to sit out the entire season and re-enter in next year's draft.

Good riddens.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by 49ERGUY:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

You are right we have some players and we do need some more balance but we could still really use another threat ....... and Bruce probably retires next season.

It would be great to get Crabtree in and getting experience now rather than trying to find another WR next season in the draft and waiting for them to progress. The other option would be to sign another proven veteran too.

for sure. i'd still like to sign crabtree, all things considered, but i'm not going to be heartbroken if we don't. I'm interested to see how Jones looks when he comes back, too.

I would still love to sign him too and I do share your interest in seeing Jones but I don't think that Jone's is all that we need either ....... a nice addition though.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

I don't want to be unclear on what I think here...I don't believe the position has anything to do with the 49ers not wanting to overspend. I don't believe they want to overspend for any rookie contract at this juncture.

And add to that the type of offense they run, and still have Isaac Bruce who defenses do have to respect down the field, ther is not as much incentive for the 49ers to cave to a huge contract demand as in years past, where they might have. They will let him walk rather than caving in I betcha.

oh, we're in total agreement. I was just saying that I thought that Crabtree was a good pick even for a team planning to run mostly because of how it helps the run game. Yes, we do have some players that can help stretch the D a little, we just have to use them to do so, so there's not desperate need to overspend or do something foolish. We're not the Raiders, after all.

How the team adjusts the offensive scheme to yesterday's game will tell us a lot.

From the start of the game, it was clear AZ had prepared well for the 49er running game, and they should have. Afterall, Singletary had been telling everyone that they were going to run. Yesterday's results will have been viewed well by Seattle and we can expect them to approach it pretty much the same way the Cardinals did.

Now to take this back to Crabtree; if he was watching yesterday's game, I'm sure he saw very little that would make him run right over to 49er HQ and sign a contract. That offense yesterday was precisely what a young receiver like Crabtree does NOT want to play in. I have posited on this board a couple of times that Crabtree's reluctance to "cave" may be linked to the style of offense the team has advertised they will run.

So if I were the 49ers, and I wanted to make a push to get Crabtree signed, I would set up the game plan to include a more varied approach against the Seahawks, with plenty of passing. Then I would go back to MC and say, "See, we can throw the ball around. You want some of that? Sign here."

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Just saw it on Monday Morning Quarterback on ESPN2, Adam Schefter reports that multiple sources have told him that Crabtree plans to sit out the entire season and re-enter in next year's draft.

Good riddens.

I want Crabtree to say it. Damn I wish the Raiders had picked him instead.

Has there been a www.ihatemichaelcrabtree.com web site setup yet? Because at this point, I really do hate this kid. I am trying to look at the positive. This kid has a poor attitude, would have been a cancer on the team possibly but the one thing for sure, he is saving us a large amount of cap space we can spend in other areas next offseason.

I'd rather spend money on some OLINE cats


LOCK THIS BAD BOY UP!

TO HALL WITCHU CRABS!

So does Crab just want to play for the Cowboys at this point? Cause thats what it seems like he's trying for.

So I guess that's it. What little hope I had died yesterday with the start of the season. It looks like crabtree will never dawn the red and gold

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Just saw it on Monday Morning Quarterback on ESPN2, Adam Schefter reports that multiple sources have told him that Crabtree plans to sit out the entire season and re-enter in next year's draft.

Good riddens.

If those reports are true I really hope SF ships his ass to CIN or CLE or some other small market perennial loser the day before the draft. The last thing I'd like to see is this guy get his way and end up in DAL with SF getting nothing in return.

The one thing that makes me think he will sit out is the Jamarcus Russell situation a few years ago. It was a matter of working out the contract, holding out wasn't a word being thrown around that much. With Crabtree it's been tossed around for months now.

Too lazy to go back through the thread and look, but here's what Peter Kings says about Crabtree

Quote:
Adam Schefter reported Sunday that all signs point to Michael Crabtree re-entering the draft in 2010. Interesting decision. There is no way -- and if I'm wrong on this, I will fire myself -- that Crabtree would get picked better than 10th in the 2010 draft without playing this year and having the over-inflated salary demands he has. Thus, he would make less, and perhaps significantly so, than the five-year, $27-million deal (approximately) that he's been offered by the 49ers this year, and for what? Because he's angry he's not the highest-paid receiver in this draft. If he re-enters the draft, it's a decision he'll regret the rest of his life.

Who's this Crabtree fellow ?????????????

Originally posted by susweel:
Who's this Crabtree fellow ?????????????

Yeah, who the f**k is this guy?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

I don't want to be unclear on what I think here...I don't believe the position has anything to do with the 49ers not wanting to overspend. I don't believe they want to overspend for any rookie contract at this juncture.

And add to that the type of offense they run, and still have Isaac Bruce who defenses do have to respect down the field, ther is not as much incentive for the 49ers to cave to a huge contract demand as in years past, where they might have. They will let him walk rather than caving in I betcha.

oh, we're in total agreement. I was just saying that I thought that Crabtree was a good pick even for a team planning to run mostly because of how it helps the run game. Yes, we do have some players that can help stretch the D a little, we just have to use them to do so, so there's not desperate need to overspend or do something foolish. We're not the Raiders, after all.

How the team adjusts the offensive scheme to yesterday's game will tell us a lot.

From the start of the game, it was clear AZ had prepared well for the 49er running game, and they should have. Afterall, Singletary had been telling everyone that they were going to run. Yesterday's results will have been viewed well by Seattle and we can expect them to approach it pretty much the same way the Cardinals did.

Now to take this back to Crabtree; if he was watching yesterday's game, I'm sure he saw very little that would make him run right over to 49er HQ and sign a contract. That offense yesterday was precisely what a young receiver like Crabtree does NOT want to play in. I have posited on this board a couple of times that Crabtree's reluctance to "cave" may be linked to the style of offense the team has advertised they will run.

So if I were the 49ers, and I wanted to make a push to get Crabtree signed, I would set up the game plan to include a more varied approach against the Seahawks, with plenty of passing. Then I would go back to MC and say, "See, we can throw the ball around. You want some of that? Sign here."

But you know Singletary is not going to change the game plan to impress a rookie draft pick who is not on the team. And rightly so. The coaches' priority will continue to be trying to win games with the players he currently has, and being consistent to the style of play they have been working on during the offseason.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

I don't want to be unclear on what I think here...I don't believe the position has anything to do with the 49ers not wanting to overspend. I don't believe they want to overspend for any rookie contract at this juncture.

And add to that the type of offense they run, and still have Isaac Bruce who defenses do have to respect down the field, ther is not as much incentive for the 49ers to cave to a huge contract demand as in years past, where they might have. They will let him walk rather than caving in I betcha.

oh, we're in total agreement. I was just saying that I thought that Crabtree was a good pick even for a team planning to run mostly because of how it helps the run game. Yes, we do have some players that can help stretch the D a little, we just have to use them to do so, so there's not desperate need to overspend or do something foolish. We're not the Raiders, after all.

How the team adjusts the offensive scheme to yesterday's game will tell us a lot.

From the start of the game, it was clear AZ had prepared well for the 49er running game, and they should have. Afterall, Singletary had been telling everyone that they were going to run. Yesterday's results will have been viewed well by Seattle and we can expect them to approach it pretty much the same way the Cardinals did.

Now to take this back to Crabtree; if he was watching yesterday's game, I'm sure he saw very little that would make him run right over to 49er HQ and sign a contract. That offense yesterday was precisely what a young receiver like Crabtree does NOT want to play in. I have posited on this board a couple of times that Crabtree's reluctance to "cave" may be linked to the style of offense the team has advertised they will run.

So if I were the 49ers, and I wanted to make a push to get Crabtree signed, I would set up the game plan to include a more varied approach against the Seahawks, with plenty of passing. Then I would go back to MC and say, "See, we can throw the ball around. You want some of that? Sign here."

I've come around to agree with your assessment of Crabtree not having a big desire to play in our offense. I still think if we gave him the money he wants he would sign no matter how awful our offense is.

That said, we need to do what works in order to win. Obviously forcing ourselves to run 60% of the time with no variation is not going to work. If we open up a passing game and it wins us game, regardless of if its exciting enough for Crabtree, then thats what we have to do. If winning games makes MC want to sign, so be it. If not, so be it. But I would hate to see us force the pass as much as we're forcing the run just to get the kid to sign.

im annoyed and dissapointed with the zone. after a big opening day win still the top thread is this one. screw crabtree. he is not a 49er until he signs. lets just move on and enjoy the win and look towards the home opener.