Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

I’d like to wish Michael Crabtree(notes) a happy birthday – the 49ers’ first-round draft pick turned 22 Monday – and I hope he gets a call from his mother, a yummy cake, lots of awesome presents … and, most important, a clue....

...Let me give some direct advice: Dude, do you really think this is the right play? If I were you, I’d stop thinking about this in terms of what you think you’re worth relative to others who might have been picked ahead of you (like Raiders wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey(notes)) and start asking yourself if the Niners’ package that’s on the table is preferable to zero salary and a wasted year of your career – with no guarantee that things will work out better in 2010. Look, I’ve been involved in some tense negotiations before, and there are times in the past when I’ve felt undervalued by my employer (note to Y! Sports powers that be – not you). But in the end, it’s about controlling your emotions and making the most pragmatic business decision you can. Please think about that as you’re blowing out your candles, because in my opinion, you’re totally blowing it.

--Michael Silver, Yahoo Sports

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

All 4 of those guys are capable of making plays

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

We do need to have another threat or defense's are gonna take away our run like last night and force us to prove that we can have more than one or two sustained drives.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

I don't want to be unclear on what I think here...I don't believe the position has anything to do with the 49ers not wanting to overspend. I don't believe they want to overspend for any rookie contract at this juncture.

And add to that the type of offense they run, and still have Isaac Bruce who defenses do have to respect down the field, ther is not as much incentive for the 49ers to cave to a huge contract demand as in years past, where they might have. They will let him walk rather than caving in I betcha.

Originally posted by BigRon:

Originally posted by DonJulio:

Originally posted by BigRon:
found this interesting nugget. Al Davis has already called out Neon Deion and now this report SF Gate

Originally posted by John Crumpacker, SFGate.com:
The NFL Network's Deion Sanders, who - in his playing days - was represented by the same agent as Crabtree, Eugene Parker, said two teams contacted the 49ers about trading for the wide receiver. The timing of Sanders' claim was ridiculous because the trading deadline for the rights to rookies already had passed.

The 49ers responded by saying no conversations with other teams occurred. A 49ers spokesman said the club had no comment about whether it might pursue tampering charges against the two teams that Sanders, technically an employee of the NFL, said had expressed an interest in Crabtree. That is, if the teams actually did contact Crabtree.

Al Davis called out Deion???

What did he say?

It was during the Richard Seymour introduction news conference. Al basically called Sanders a disgruntled employee with out a shred of credibility.

Al was talking about Michael Lombardi.

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

All 4 of those guys are capable of making plays

And all 4 of those guys are way ahead of Crabtree in being ready to play, even if he signed last week before the game.

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

I don't want to be unclear on what I think here...I don't believe the position has anything to do with the 49ers not wanting to overspend. I don't believe they want to overspend for any rookie contract at this juncture.

And add to that the type of offense they run, and still have Isaac Bruce who defenses do have to respect down the field, ther is not as much incentive for the 49ers to cave to a huge contract demand as in years past, where they might have. They will let him walk rather than caving in I betcha.

oh, we're in total agreement. I was just saying that I thought that Crabtree was a good pick even for a team planning to run mostly because of how it helps the run game. Yes, we do have some players that can help stretch the D a little, we just have to use them to do so, so there's not desperate need to overspend or do something foolish. We're not the Raiders, after all.

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

Right, but what I'm saying is that if the Niners didn't want to invest a lot of money into a rookie WR when they knew that they were going to be a run first team...why did we pick a WR at #10?

I don't think we want to overspend either, but I disagree with the idea that we don't want to invest too much into a rookie WR, because we already did by virtue of making the pick in the first place.

This thread is going to make it to the end of the internet.

At this point the only outcome that looks possible is trading his rights in the spring for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

You are right we have some players and we do need some more balance but we could still really use another threat ....... and Bruce probably retires next season.

It would be great to get Crabtree in and getting experience now rather than trying to find another WR next season in the draft and waiting for them to progress. The other option would be to sign another proven veteran too.

For the people thinking Crabtree will make any difference on this team this year IF he was to sign, you are crazy. His rookie year is pretty much worthless now. There is a lot to learn for a rookie WR and not many of them make a big impact during their rookie year. Plus, the team is just game planning for the upcoming opponent now, not practicing like they were in training camp. At most they would give him a couple routes just to get some looks. For the 49ers, there is little incentive to sign him now.

I really don't think he will ever sign with the 49ers. I think he is going to re-enter the draft or we will trade his rights before the draft in the off-season. I think we should be able to get a 1st rounder for him, probably from Dallas or New England. I don't think he wants to play in our type of offense. At the time, it looked like a great pick, but I think we need to draft based on our team's identity in the future.

Originally posted by 49ERGUY:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
I don't think the 49ers have any intentions on signing the guy at this point. I believe they want to save their money for next year (unless Crabtree totally caves), and try again with a different WR pick. Crabtree would be a total nonfactor this year if signed now. And since the 49ers are a run first, pass later type of offense, they probably feel like they can wait another year to find a WR to develop for the long term.

I don't think that the Niners just realized that they were a run first, pass later kind of team. If we didn't want to spend big money on a receiver, we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

They gave him an offer that aligns to where he was slotted in the draft. Being that he was chosen #10, that is pretty big money. And yes, the 49ers knew they were a run team all along, which is why they don't want to overspend for a rookie WR.

I disagree that the offensive philosophy is the reason they don't want to overspend for a WR. They paid good money to Brandon Jones, after all. To run the ball well you need to keep defenses honest. A deep threat pulls the safeties off the line. a guy like Crabtree would only help the running game, because defenses would have to respect him.

which means we better figure out pretty quick how to make the passing game effective without either Jones or Crabtree in the line-up

exactly. hopefully Raye will realize that when looking at the game tape and figure something out. Morgan and Bruce both made plays, as well as VD and even Walker. Its not like we don't have guys who can make plays in the passing game. We need balance early in games if we want to control it late with the run.

You are right we have some players and we do need some more balance but we could still really use another threat ....... and Bruce probably retires next season.

It would be great to get Crabtree in and getting experience now rather than trying to find another WR next season in the draft and waiting for them to progress. The other option would be to sign another proven veteran too.

for sure. i'd still like to sign crabtree, all things considered, but i'm not going to be heartbroken if we don't. I'm interested to see how Jones looks when he comes back, too.

Originally posted by jerryricefan80:
For the people thinking Crabtree will make any difference on this team this year IF he was to sign, you are crazy. His rookie year is pretty much worthless now. There is a lot to learn for a rookie WR and not many of them make a big impact during their rookie year. Plus, the team is just game planning for the upcoming opponent now, not practicing like they were in training camp. At most they would give him a couple routes just to get some looks. For the 49ers, there is little incentive to sign him now.

I really don't think he will ever sign with the 49ers. I think he is going to re-enter the draft or we will trade his rights before the draft in the off-season. I think we should be able to get a 1st rounder for him, probably from Dallas or New England. I don't think he wants to play in our type of offense. At the time, it looked like a great pick, but I think we need to draft based on our team's identity in the future.

I agree totally, I do not think he will be a niner, nor do I want him to be one. I think he wants to go to a pass happy O and we are not that. I think the best course of action now is to trade him in March and go into the 2010 draft with 3 1st rounders. PEACE FROM THE FAN.