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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a 9er for the next 4-5 years, he will score many TDs for us

How are you coming to that conclusion?

We offer X.....He wants Y.....We wont give him Y.....He wont accept X, neither side is going to cave into the other. I'm really starting to think he isn't going to sign.

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Do you have a date when this will happen?

2009

smart ass


Its not going to be a Nov kind of thing is it?

After the week 5 game, in time for the bye week so he can practice learn some of the offense and make his debut in his homestate of Texas against the Texans...but shhhhhhhh you didnt hear it from me
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a 9er for the next 4-5 years, he will score many TDs for us

How are you coming to that conclusion?

We offer X.....He wants Y.....We wont give him Y.....He wont accept X, neither side is going to cave into the other. I'm really starting to think he isn't going to sign.

insider knowledge

Do you have a date when this will happen?

2009

smart ass


Its not going to be a Nov kind of thing is it?

After the week 5 game, in time for the bye week so he can practice learn some of the offense and make his debut in his homestate of Texas against the Texans...but shhhhhhhh you didnt hear it from me

I wouldn't let him play in that game, I hope Sing benches his ass for it.
Goodell needs to step in at some point. He already admitted that there has been at least a conflict of interest in the Crabtree situation. It sounds like there is definite tampering going on here as well. Why draft a guy and lose the pick when you can just tell him to hold out all year and offer him more than the team that drafted him. Sounds like tampering to me.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Crabtree will sign, he will be a 9er for the next 4-5 years, he will score many TDs for us

How are you coming to that conclusion?

We offer X.....He wants Y.....We wont give him Y.....He wont accept X, neither side is going to cave into the other. I'm really starting to think he isn't going to sign.

insider knowledge

Do you have a date when this will happen?

2009

smart ass


Its not going to be a Nov kind of thing is it?

After the week 5 game, in time for the bye week so he can practice learn some of the offense and make his debut in his homestate of Texas against the Texans...but shhhhhhhh you didnt hear it from me

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Originally posted by wailers15:
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!! LOCK THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sick & tired of Crabtree. We are the only ones to blame. It's obvious we didn't scout him. It's obvious that we never brought him in for an interview, it's obvious we didn't do our homework. Scotty blew his wad when he saw him drop and drafted him.

Ummm I believe most 49er fans wanted him when he dropped not just the Scotty. How is it obvious we never scouted him and can you provide factual evidence of that that we never did ?

Go back and look and the Brady Quinn situation when he dropped in the draft, he got more money than his slotted position as has been previously pointed out. He held out 10 days and the team coughed up the money. It has never had a negative effect on their last 2 drafts when it came time to signing their picks.

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We didn't draft for need. WE DID NOT DRAFT FOR NEEDS!!!! that is why we are in this position. M. Oher should've been the pick. Logical. Man we are starting to look & sound like the raiders. pathetic. all of you on here that love this kid go to hell! he will suck. he was a system wr and will not be a good wr in the nfl. stop tjhe madness.


There are 2 theory's in the NFL draft for need or draft BPA regardless of position. We drafted the BPA far and away. If we wanted Oher then we should have traded back into the first to get him. He dropped quite far for a guy who was supposedly going to go in the top 10, you know why ? Because he showed a lot of inconsistencies. The 49ers picked the right player when they were on the clock.

There are a TON of system players who get drafted and turn into studs once they reach the pro's. Can you explain why he will suck, because you have failed to post anything insightful yet.
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allot of you have drank the cool aid. crap man this makes me sick. if my boys & me see you with a crabtree jersey in the parking lot prepare for hell man. there will be a t least 12 angry guys reaming your ass! this is stupid.

Wow you and your boys are some real tough guys hunh ? Nothing like making fun of another 49ers fan because of the 49ers jersey he so chooses to wear, that'll show that fan. Way to make us look like Raider fans!

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what will be even more stupid is if we sign him. what a waste of a pick. another waste of a first round pick. pathetic! it's the curse of the mooch! f**k the yorks!!! & scotty! horrid management.

How would that be stupid ? To sign a player with his potential is a GREAT thing and not at all a bad thing. He can hopefully eventually help improve a far from great WR core. We have some potential at WR but none have a ceiling anywhere near as high as MC's.

You are right, it will be a waste of a pick if at some time something doesn't get done. However with so few details available to us about this whole ordeal it is not fair to really truly blame one side or the other.

All we have learned is he was offered 16 mill guaranteed and the there have not been many talks between the 2 sides since then. Maybe the 49ers should up the offer, maybe they should be pushing a little harder to show him how much they want him to be a player on this team. Maybe Crabtree & co. should submit a counter offer (if they already haven't) and maybe Crabtree needs to make a statement to the media.

However one thing is clear, 49er fans are clearly overreacting to all of this. At the end of the day this sport has become a business and right now it's about money. We have very few details to actually go on yet everyone wants to blame Crabtree for the holdout. How many times have fans claimed the York's are cheap over the last few years....maybe it's time for the FO to put more money on the table or release more details to show us that they are doing all they can to get MC signed which would put more pressure ont he Crabtree camp to get something done.
who in the hell is going to trade for this guy if he sits out the whole season??? there will be no winners for either side if that happens...

[ Edited by Thorhawk on Sep 9, 2009 at 08:31:07 ]
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by wailers15:
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!! LOCK THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sick & tired of Crabtree. We are the only ones to blame. It's obvious we didn't scout him. It's obvious that we never brought him in for an interview, it's obvious we didn't do our homework. Scotty blew his wad when he saw him drop and drafted him.

Ummm I believe most 49er fans wanted him when he dropped not just the Scotty. How is it obvious we never scouted him and can you provide factual evidence of that that we never did ?

Go back and look and the Brady Quinn situation when he dropped in the draft, he got more money than his slotted position as has been previously pointed out. He held out 10 days and the team coughed up the money. It has never had a negative effect on their last 2 drafts when it came time to signing their picks.

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We didn't draft for need. WE DID NOT DRAFT FOR NEEDS!!!! that is why we are in this position. M. Oher should've been the pick. Logical. Man we are starting to look & sound like the raiders. pathetic. all of you on here that love this kid go to hell! he will suck. he was a system wr and will not be a good wr in the nfl. stop tjhe madness.


There are 2 theory's in the NFL draft for need or draft BPA regardless of position. We drafted the BPA far and away. If we wanted Oher then we should have traded back into the first to get him. He dropped quite far for a guy who was supposedly going to go in the top 10, you know why ? Because he showed a lot of inconsistencies. The 49ers picked the right player when they were on the clock.

There are a TON of system players who get drafted and turn into studs once they reach the pro's. Can you explain why he will suck, because you have failed to post anything insightful yet.
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allot of you have drank the cool aid. crap man this makes me sick. if my boys & me see you with a crabtree jersey in the parking lot prepare for hell man. there will be a t least 12 angry guys reaming your ass! this is stupid.

Wow you and your boys are some real tough guys hunh ? Nothing like making fun of another 49ers fan because of the 49ers jersey he so chooses to wear, that'll show that fan. Way to make us look like Raider fans!

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what will be even more stupid is if we sign him. what a waste of a pick. another waste of a first round pick. pathetic! it's the curse of the mooch! f**k the yorks!!! & scotty! horrid management.

How would that be stupid ? To sign a player with his potential is a GREAT thing and not at all a bad thing. He can hopefully eventually help improve a far from great WR core. We have some potential at WR but none have a ceiling anywhere near as high as MC's.

You are right, it will be a waste of a pick if at some time something doesn't get done. However with so few details available to us about this whole ordeal it is not fair to really truly blame one side or the other.

All we have learned is he was offered 16 mill guaranteed and the there have not been many talks between the 2 sides since then. Maybe the 49ers should up the offer, maybe they should be pushing a little harder to show him how much they want him to be a player on this team. Maybe Crabtree & co. should submit a counter offer (if they already haven't) and maybe Crabtree needs to make a statement to the media.

However one thing is clear, 49er fans are clearly overreacting to all of this. At the end of the day this sport has become a business and right now it's about money. We have very few details to actually go on yet everyone wants to blame Crabtree for the holdout. How many times have fans claimed the York's are cheap over the last few years....maybe it's time for the FO to put more money on the table or release more details to show us that they are doing all they can to get MC signed which would put more pressure ont he Crabtree camp to get something done.



Agree with everything you're saying. Except the part where the niners need to up the offer. Until Crabtree's camp comes with a counter offer, the niners do not need to bend.
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Maiocco seems pretty sure he's not signing.

Trade the sack of s**t to the cowboys next march for a first. Then we'll have 3 first round picks.

Take McCoy and 2 pass rushers. Dump Sing/Raye and hire Shanahan.

Playoffs in 10' muthaf**kas!
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I realize its a mute point, but... Do you think Michael Crabtree would have signed by now if the 49ers had retained former OC Mike Martz?

It would have taken Shanahan as HC to have him in here already. He's facing a grim reality as a player in this offense. He might as well hold out for as much as he can get. His 2nd contract is going to be brutal on him financially if changes don't get made here.

Brutal???!!!!!! So how much are YOU going to earn during the equivalent 4 year period?

Brutal!

What's minimum wage times four years?
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Originally posted by A-R-S:
Maiocco seems pretty sure he's not signing.

Trade the sack of s**t to the cowboys next march for a first. Then we'll have 3 first round picks.

Take McCoy and 2 pass rushers. Dump Sing/Raye and hire Shanahan.

Playoffs in 10' muthaf**kas!

Originally posted by A-R-S:
Maiocco seems pretty sure he's not signing.

Trade the sack of s**t to the cowboys next march for a first. Then we'll have 3 first round picks.

Take McCoy and 2 pass rushers. Dump Sing/Raye and hire Shanahan.

Playoffs in 10' muthaf**kas!

Nah...MM has no idea when Crabtree will sign...he's just guessing like the rest of us and wrote that article to find a new spin on the story.

I'm as annoyed as anyone about Crabtree not signing, but at some point, he's gonna put his name on the contract and we're all gonna feel foolish for being so angry.
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by A-R-S:
Maiocco seems pretty sure he's not signing.

Trade the sack of s**t to the cowboys next march for a first. Then we'll have 3 first round picks.

Take McCoy and 2 pass rushers. Dump Sing/Raye and hire Shanahan.

Playoffs in 10' muthaf**kas!

Nah...MM has no idea when Crabtree will sign...he's just guessing like the rest of us and wrote that article to find a new spin on the story.

I'm as annoyed as anyone about Crabtree not signing, but at some point, he's gonna put his name on the contract and we're all gonna feel foolish for being so angry.

No way. Everytime he drops a pass, runs an errand route, or fails to block......the majority of fans will call him out for it. After pulling this stunt, Crabtree better make himself out to be the next Jerry Rice, or his career here will be an EPIC FAIL.
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Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by wailers15:
ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!! LOCK THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sick & tired of Crabtree. We are the only ones to blame. It's obvious we didn't scout him. It's obvious that we never brought him in for an interview, it's obvious we didn't do our homework. Scotty blew his wad when he saw him drop and drafted him.

Ummm I believe most 49er fans wanted him when he dropped not just the Scotty. How is it obvious we never scouted him and can you provide factual evidence of that that we never did ?

Go back and look and the Brady Quinn situation when he dropped in the draft, he got more money than his slotted position as has been previously pointed out. He held out 10 days and the team coughed up the money. It has never had a negative effect on their last 2 drafts when it came time to signing their picks.

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We didn't draft for need. WE DID NOT DRAFT FOR NEEDS!!!! that is why we are in this position. M. Oher should've been the pick. Logical. Man we are starting to look & sound like the raiders. pathetic. all of you on here that love this kid go to hell! he will suck. he was a system wr and will not be a good wr in the nfl. stop tjhe madness.


There are 2 theory's in the NFL draft for need or draft BPA regardless of position. We drafted the BPA far and away. If we wanted Oher then we should have traded back into the first to get him. He dropped quite far for a guy who was supposedly going to go in the top 10, you know why ? Because he showed a lot of inconsistencies. The 49ers picked the right player when they were on the clock.

There are a TON of system players who get drafted and turn into studs once they reach the pro's. Can you explain why he will suck, because you have failed to post anything insightful yet.
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allot of you have drank the cool aid. crap man this makes me sick. if my boys & me see you with a crabtree jersey in the parking lot prepare for hell man. there will be a t least 12 angry guys reaming your ass! this is stupid.

Wow you and your boys are some real tough guys hunh ? Nothing like making fun of another 49ers fan because of the 49ers jersey he so chooses to wear, that'll show that fan. Way to make us look like Raider fans!

Quote:
what will be even more stupid is if we sign him. what a waste of a pick. another waste of a first round pick. pathetic! it's the curse of the mooch! f**k the yorks!!! & scotty! horrid management.

How would that be stupid ? To sign a player with his potential is a GREAT thing and not at all a bad thing. He can hopefully eventually help improve a far from great WR core. We have some potential at WR but none have a ceiling anywhere near as high as MC's.

You are right, it will be a waste of a pick if at some time something doesn't get done. However with so few details available to us about this whole ordeal it is not fair to really truly blame one side or the other.

All we have learned is he was offered 16 mill guaranteed and the there have not been many talks between the 2 sides since then. Maybe the 49ers should up the offer, maybe they should be pushing a little harder to show him how much they want him to be a player on this team. Maybe Crabtree & co. should submit a counter offer (if they already haven't) and maybe Crabtree needs to make a statement to the media.

However one thing is clear, 49er fans are clearly overreacting to all of this. At the end of the day this sport has become a business and right now it's about money. We have very few details to actually go on yet everyone wants to blame Crabtree for the holdout. How many times have fans claimed the York's are cheap over the last few years....maybe it's time for the FO to put more money on the table or release more details to show us that they are doing all they can to get MC signed which would put more pressure ont he Crabtree camp to get something done.



Agree with everything you're saying. Except the part where the niners need to up the offer. Until Crabtree's camp comes with a counter offer, the niners do not need to bend.

Maybe it is time to offer more guaranteed, be it 2-5 million more (if we already haven't). It may just be time to show him that we are seriously wanting him to be in uniform. If nothing comes of it then we sit and wait for a counter and make that clear to the media and fans, let them know we have put more money on the table and now await a counter if that is not good enough.
Originally posted by miked1978:
What would his trade value be? I think it would be hard to get a first round pick for him at this point but who knows. Whatever happens to him, he has set out organization back another year.

I'd be shocked if we got anything higher than a late 2nd rounder. Once this window is open Crabtree's going to force us to trade him to the team that will pay him the most money, and teams won't even consider a trade unless they're guaranteed that they can sign him.
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