Michael Lewis (asks for release)

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by Hades49:

Originally posted by Hades49:

Originally posted by TDilvr:

Originally posted by seeking6th:
lewis's agent just told me that michael wanted out earlier because his feelings got hurt when he read a lot of the comments about him on this forum... he knows that a lot of us thinks that he sucks. he said he hates us and wants out. he's mad and sad.

truth hurts

Um yeah......ok.....if you say so. I made out with Jessica Alba last weekend. Promise.

Uhh

You do realize he was being sarcastic, right?

lol @ you quoting yourself

Lol, damn iPhone won't let me edit

Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I bet we move Reggie Smith over to FS, and slide Goldson over to SS...I like Goldson as a SS better than a FS anyways.

whats the f**king difference?

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Originally posted by bret:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Exactly. Football careers are short, so I don't think Lewis's actions are wrong - especially since he's getting disrespected by the organization. He's nearing the end of his career, and he has the opportunity to try and get to one more team to win a ring.

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by bret:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Exactly. Football careers are short, so I don't think Lewis's actions are wrong - especially since he's getting disrespected by the organization. He's nearing the end of his career, and he has the opportunity to try and get to one more team to win a ring.

Football is a TEAM sport period. There is NO I in TEAM. Meaning Lewis whether starting or NOT is a part of the team and will get paid for this season's service. He flat out bailed on his teammates. If he were such a leader some people thinks that he is where was the leadership on the tean or defense last week or in other games when things started to go downhill? It seems like we have NO one in leadership playerwise like a Ray Lewis that can pull guys aside and say, hey we have got to stop this runaway train NOW!

It's not about being respected. He has no desire to play (for the 49ers) he's quitting pure and simple. His play has declined and he doesn't want to accept a lesser role. A real team player would role with the punches and adapt. He's a quitter and that's pretty much it.

The issue is that the Niners have no clear leader at the top of the organization. I agree with Tim Kawakami who said something like: "Too many people within the organization have their jobs for reasons other then merit".


The Niners will continue to be a team that wins here and there but consistently remains no threat to SB contenders. They need strong leadership at the top and that won't happen as long as Jed wants to be Team President and de facto GM.

We should have cleaned house after the 2008 season.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:
It's not about being respected. He has no desire to play (for the 49ers) he's quitting pure and simple. His play has declined and he doesn't want to accept a lesser role. A real team player would role with the punches and adapt. He's a quitter and that's pretty much it.

Its not about respect? So its ok to disrespect a player because he is old and his play is declining? Its easy to call M. Lewis a quitter and turn the other cheek as to what is really going on.

Was Coffee and Balmer on the decline? As a matter of fact, we were still waiting to see an upside. These guys also quit on the team. One cited not being able to start, and the other one left for "god." Whatever their reason, they QUIT on the team.

I don't ever recall this happening on such grand and bizarre scale on any team, much less our niners.

Originally posted by kelpie70:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by bret:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Exactly. Football careers are short, so I don't think Lewis's actions are wrong - especially since he's getting disrespected by the organization. He's nearing the end of his career, and he has the opportunity to try and get to one more team to win a ring.

Football is a TEAM sport period. There is NO I in TEAM. Meaning Lewis whether starting or NOT is a part of the team and will get paid for this season's service. He flat out bailed on his teammates. If he were such a leader some people thinks that he is where was the leadership on the tean or defense last week or in other games when things started to go downhill? It seems like we have NO one in leadership playerwise like a Ray Lewis that can pull guys aside and say, hey we have got to stop this runaway train NOW!

I think he was a leader, and we treated our leader like s**t. We told him 4 different lies and different points of the season. As a poster said, "anyone who is willing to walk away from that kinda salary is really steamed.

Can we trade him?

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Can we trade him?

Who would want a 30+yr old slow safety with concussion issues? Even if we release him he will have a hard time finding a team that wants him in a BACKUP role. No way anyone picks him to be their starter.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Can we trade him?

Who would want a 30+yr old slow safety with concussion issues? Even if we release him he will have a hard time finding a team that wants him in a BACKUP role. No way anyone picks him to be their starter.

I just mean from a technical perspective. As to would another team want him is a totally diffrent question.

Originally posted by kelpie70:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by bret:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Exactly. Football careers are short, so I don't think Lewis's actions are wrong - especially since he's getting disrespected by the organization. He's nearing the end of his career, and he has the opportunity to try and get to one more team to win a ring.

Football is a TEAM sport period. There is NO I in TEAM. Meaning Lewis whether starting or NOT is a part of the team and will get paid for this season's service. He flat out bailed on his teammates. If he were such a leader some people thinks that he is where was the leadership on the tean or defense last week or in other games when things started to go downhill? It seems like we have NO one in leadership playerwise like a Ray Lewis that can pull guys aside and say, hey we have got to stop this runaway train NOW!

Come on, man. Most jobs in general involve some sort of teamwork, and people jump ship because they find better opportunities or to get away from a dysfunctional/disrespectful company. Football, and Michael Lewis in particular, isn't different to the norm.

The fact of the matter is that Michael Lewis is not happy in SF, and he did the classy thing by restructuring his contract to assist himself and SF. His career will end in 2-3 years, so he wants to make sure he ends it on his terms, and not by someone else's terms.

Originally posted by bret:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by ubaisore94:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This needs its own thread.... It is a big deal and not a general conversation about M. Lewis.

Well I don't know what to say anymore. This team is in disarray. Lewis wants out, Coffee retires, and Balmer quits on us. Raye fired. Scotty Mcdrunk fired, , ST coach fired, OL coach fired, Nolan Fired, Martz Fired, Hostler fired, Erickson Fired, TO wants out, Garcia cut...

This is getting ridiculous.

We are the most pathetic franchise in the last 4 years...BAR NONE....
Can anyone add to this list of incompetence for me?

This is what the webzone wants...bet you can find multiple threads asking for each of those things to happen (miunus the quitting, but people who wanted those players gone)

Yeah people on this board probably can run a better front then the Yorks. We would never have hired/drafted some of these bafoons.

Coffee was drafted way before his time and most wanted Deshan Jackson over Balmer. These guys were overrated and when it showed on the field and got benched, they couldn't handle it.

Lewis was a good vet and we didn't treat him right obviously. One person told him he is the starter and other said he was benched and another said his time was getting cut.

We are a f**ked up organization.

Lots of people are saying 'good riddance", "he sucks", and "he's just being selfish". But he is throwing away $100,000 per game. Would YOU walk away from $100,000/week unless there was something seriously wrong? Lewis lost his staring job in Philly without walking away. In fact he used his free agency the next year to land the biggest contract of his life!

Put yourself in Lewis' situation: Your boss calls you in a week before the start of the season. He says, "You know that $3.8 million dollars we owe you this year? That's too much! We still like you and we still want you here as our starter; but you and I both know we've drafted your replacement. So you give up $2.1 million and we'll give you $400,000 guaranteed as a bonus, we'll let you remain the starter. Then next year we'll void your contract so you can have the best chance to get a fresh start. Otherwise, we'll just cut you now, and you'll sit on your couch a few weeks before signing for the vet minimum."

My guess? You'll feel bitterly stung, but the reality of the last sentence will sink in, and you'll take the deal.

Then, at the first sign of trouble, reports appear in the press that seem like they probably came from your boss' boss saying you're going to be benched. When asked about it by reporters your boss doesn't deny it. So you confront him. He assures you it's not true and he goes back to the reporters and issues a denial. Then 2 days later, he calls you in and tells you that technically he told you the truth because you'll be on he field for the first play, but that after that he'll be working in your replacement. He says he respects you and wants you to act as a mentor. Would YOU feel respected?!

Once again, how would you react? Would your being angry merely be a sign of selfishness?

What's alarming is that Lewis was a clubhouse leader respected by his teammates. Along with Michael Robinson this is the second clubhouse leader unceremoniously dumped. Teams usually only do that if there's a big problem in the clubhouse and the coach feels he's losing the team! Or that he's never had the team and getting rid of the negative influences is the only way to turn that around! Either way, it's a bad sign for the state of the team.

I'm not surprised Matt Barrows said this was the lowest point he's seen the team in the 10 years he's been covering them!

Solid breakdown. I related the same idea a couple of days ago in saying that this team needs to get rid of Singletary as soon as possible, not for wins and losses, but for the systematic meltdown of a functional system.

The system is broken, and the starting point is dumping the head coach and looking for someone with experience to take over the reigns in 2011.

Lewis knew that this was his last year that's why he signed for less money. The writing was on the wall. Now, instead of being a team player and accepting less playing time he wants to throw a hissy fit. He should show up to work, contribute where he can and cash his paycheck each week with a clear conscience. A player only gets X amount of years to play until their skills go. Step aside.