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This moderator is a very reasonable person. He's not going to punish anyone for making a complaint. The point is that for many Niner fans, especially long-time Niner fans, it would probably be a much more enjoyable site and discussion without all the hating. You have to admit that it gets pretty ridiculous around here. Sometimes, you would swear that Alex Smith or Vernon Davis broke into these guys' houses and stole their XBOX or something. It's very personal.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
This moderator is a very reasonable person. He's not going to punish anyone for making a complaint. The point is that for many Niner fans, especially long-time Niner fans, it would probably be a much more enjoyable site and discussion without all the hating. You have to admit that it gets pretty ridiculous around here. Sometimes, you would swear that Alex Smith or Vernon Davis broke into these guys' houses and stole their XBOX or something. It's very personal.

Sure.

And there's also the fans that take every little issue too personal and attack the poster instead of attacking the merit of the post... I couldn't tell you how many time's I've been called an Alex Hater then get called an Alex Nut Swinger the next hour/day (and I haven't changed my stance on this kid one bit)... So there are extremes on both sides.

This is part of what makes the message board so great. Would you honestly have been a long time member here if everyone agreed with everything you said and you agreed with everything that everyone else posted? No, it would be boring and most wouldn't have lasted over a month into the off-season...

Originally posted by D_Niner:


This is part of what makes the message board so great. Would you honestly have been a long time member here if everyone agreed with everything you said and you agreed with everything that everyone else posted? No, it would be boring and most wouldn't have lasted over a month into the off-season...

You're right. I have enjoyed talking about, arguing about and raving about the Niners for a long time. I like it. Actually, Niners football is the only spectator sport I have any interest in anymore and I grew up a Giants and Warriors fan as well. And the player-hating, if that's what you want to call it? I don't like it, but it's not like it keeps me up at night. Times change, things change, people change, attitudes change - if you can't get used to that, life is a lot tougher.

It is all about respect, period, IMO.

I have been border line and have been warned for saying STFU to someone. Well, I deserved it because I was disrespectful of the rules of the zone and the poster...that's the bottom line.

Many can justify their actions as much as they want and believe in their minds and hearts that they are right...I have experienced that too many times in life and here in the Zone.

It is a choice to engage. Once you do, you are responsible for your actions, period.

I hate when I talk like my moms...but, I love my moms.

Back to the topic though, I think that Alex will surprise many because he is gaining confidence every day. He's gaining that necessary experience everyday. He's improved his physicality. He really never quits when he's had many times to (That's why I don't dig the Leaf references).

I can't wait to see him in his first game back even if it is a preseason game. He was our QB from 2005-2007 and suffered some humiliating experiences while losing his job to injury...sound familiar. All I want is to see this kid come back...just come back from all that crap!

If nothing else, he deserves some respect for being able to handle what all the Alex "haters" call Alexcuses...what a joke. I'd like to see anyone else go through what this kid did at the age of 20, losing his friend to suicide, becoming the first pick in the draft, being scrutinized even when you win, 5 different OCs, a head-strong non-NFL player coach with an axe to grind, two shoulder procedures in two years, etc., etc., etc.

You go Alex and prove them wrong even me!

I'm rooting for Alex Smith but still think it may be better for him if he doesn't start. As much as we all would like to make the playoffs this year, we still must think of the long term future and that is the development of the QB we drafted.

I still think almost any QB can become an average at worst QB if he is developed properly and brought into the starting role carefully. Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

This forum is for personal enjoyment and entertainment! I don't mind all the battles between alex smith lovers and alex smith bashers. It's actually funny to me how some of you take it to the next level and get really really offended by someone saying, "Alex Leaf" or Alex Bust. ya'll need to just relax and enjoy the show.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

At that time, Montana's skills were considered no different than Shaun Hill's skills. It seems like Walsh had to be careful with what he had to work with. The most important piece of success for Montana was understanding the game more than throwing a 30 yard tight rope.

I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Glad you liked it, cuz it jacked my warning level up something impressive, hahahaha. That's okay mods... good to see you are slamming the right guys and all.

Hey, don't you know? The mods are always looking out to protect the delicate sensibilities of the player-haters around here. You can call players anything you want but if an old-school fan gets pissed, nine times out of ten, he gets the warning.

Its about ignoring the situation. You think you guys were or are the only ones that get upset when fans make fun of players?? Shoot, I was practically the only one, backing up Ken Dorsey when he was here, noodle arm this, noodle arm that. If we could bring back ALL those threads to show you how much people hated on Dorsey and how I stood up for him similar the way you guys did, only I didn't get my panties in a bunch when a lot of posters called him names. For what, no matter what you say, people on here will keep doing the same, it never stops, why get all worked up over it?? We don't hand out medals to those who back up our players the most, people are free to say what they like, just not towards other posters and within the guidelines of the rules of the Zone. Many times have I replies in threads to cut it out and stop throwing bombs at each other, anyone ever respect that??

Oh, it's about ignoring situation alright. Let me ask you this, as a moderator. Why are you so passive on these repetitive responses? Alex Leaf sucks can only be said so many times before it should suggest to you that these comments are made to only incite other members. Is that not trolling? You say "it never stops", but could that be because you sit and do nothing to dissuade this from continuing? Don't you get tired of this and want to clean it up in here, or does it just accomplish some goal of post count and activity for your forum? If you won't do anything about this, it will only get worse... is that what you really want? Instead, you will end up banning any decent posters who are tired of this nonsense and take a stand. So you basically are not part of the solution... but a part of the problem.

Well, saying Alex Leaf sucks in no way breaks the rules of the Webzone. I don't see people calling the zone idiots or Douche Bags when its Kwame Harris, Mark Roman, Brandon Williams, Isaac Sopoaga, Abrayo Franklin, KEN DORSEY, Tim Rattay and so on made fun of or called names. And like I said in another post, no matter what you say or how you feel about it, people are going to continue to poke fun, criticize and call for players heads, its the nature of the beast to a sports forum. And besides calling people out or calling them idiots or douche bags or anything else is not a good way to go about it in the first place. Me and D_Niner use to get into heated arguments about a certain QB that went 2-8 when he was here, in no way did I EVER resort to name calling. And in case you forgot which it seems so:

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Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

You only get the Alex Leaf commentary, because of younger or even more talented QB's doing well at a younger age or maturing at a faster pace. I also, swear it has nothing to do with how awful the Niner's offense has been the past few years and how every situation is different.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

Man...If Walsh mentored Alex....we would never be in this situation. He wouldn't of drafted him 1 overall...any QB 1 overall (I remember him saying that U don't wanna give any kid anymore pressure) He could work in the kid slowly.....then who knows....

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

Man...If Walsh mentored Alex....we would never be in this situation. He wouldn't of drafted him 1 overall...any QB 1 overall (I remember him saying that U don't wanna give any kid anymore pressure) He could work in the kid slowly.....then who knows....

No he wouldn't have because Aaron Rogers fits the Walsh mold a little better.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

Man...If Walsh mentored Alex....we would never be in this situation. He wouldn't of drafted him 1 overall...any QB 1 overall (I remember him saying that U don't wanna give any kid anymore pressure) He could work in the kid slowly.....then who knows....

No he wouldn't have because Aaron Rogers fits the Walsh mold a little better.

Stats aside....the Packs record last season (6 - 10)....time will tell. But I remember Walsh saying that he wouldn't pick any QB that early.