QB Competition

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Nes49:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

Man...If Walsh mentored Alex....we would never be in this situation. He wouldn't of drafted him 1 overall...any QB 1 overall (I remember him saying that U don't wanna give any kid anymore pressure) He could work in the kid slowly.....then who knows....

No he wouldn't have because Aaron Rogers fits the Walsh mold a little better.

I didn't know that Walsh came back from the dead and is a member on the zone. Why thank you Mr. Walsh for all the glory years that you provided. And thank you for your insight on what type of QB is your type of QB

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

honestly I have no idea why this strategy did not catch on in the NFL. I think developing QB's should involve a rotation of relief, close, start etc...based on matchups and ideal conditions.

Man I miss Bill.

Good question. I think it takes a special situation where a franchise has time for one thing and for another, a veteran in there already who's doesn't have a problem with being spelled every once in a while. That's a situation that may not be too easy to set up for a variety of reasons these days. Plus, I don't think the prevailing opinion in the NFL is with Walsh on picking QB's in lower rounds. The fact is, most of the successful QB's were high draft picks. The ones like Montana and Brady are the exceptions. And also, there's the little issue of having a QB guru like Walsh.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

The Alex Leaf thing kinda pushes my button a little too.

Clearly the way Ryan Leaf handled his failure is 180 degrees opposite to Alex Smith, which makes the comparision difficult to accept. It just seems like those eager to link their names together (repeatedly) have a personal problem with Smith . . . as a person.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

The Alex Leaf thing kinda pushes my button a little too.

Clearly the way Ryan Leaf handled his failure is 180 degrees opposite to Alex Smith, which makes the comparision difficult to accept. It just seems like those eager to link their names together (repeatedly) have a personal problem with Smith . . . as a person.

Not to mention the fact that he's not a bust yet. As long as he still has a chance to be a successful starting QB on the team that drafted him, he's not technically a bust. I can't tell the future or read minds like a lot of posters around here, so I'm still holding out hope.

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

The Alex Leaf thing kinda pushes my button a little too.

Clearly the way Ryan Leaf handled his failure is 180 degrees opposite to Alex Smith, which makes the comparision difficult to accept. It just seems like those eager to link their names together (repeatedly) have a personal problem with Smith . . . as a person.

Not to mention the fact that he's not a bust yet. As long as he still has a chance to be a successful starting QB on the team that drafted him, he's not technically a bust. I can't tell the future or read minds like a lot of posters around here, so I'm still holding out hope.

I wonder how many lotto winners we have seems how we have so many that can tell the future.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

The Alex Leaf thing kinda pushes my button a little too.

Clearly the way Ryan Leaf handled his failure is 180 degrees opposite to Alex Smith, which makes the comparision difficult to accept. It just seems like those eager to link their names together (repeatedly) have a personal problem with Smith . . . as a person.

Not to mention the fact that he's not a bust yet. As long as he still has a chance to be a successful starting QB on the team that drafted him, he's not technically a bust. I can't tell the future or read minds like a lot of posters around here, so I'm still holding out hope.

I wonder how many lotto winners we have seems how we have so many that can tell the future.

Seriously!

So I've made this point in other threads and I'll make it here.

You can't "hate" either player and think Singletary is a good coach. Period. A HC is defined by the personnel decisions he makes about the most important position on the team.

A open competition means that there's NO decision yet as to who is better or worse, so I'm not sure how suddenly one can say Smith or Hill is or is not a better option - that is if you believe Singeltary to be a credible coach.

RIGHT NOW, Hill is only slightly better than Smith but hasn't done enough for the coaches to declare him the starter. Reality.


If you don't well it's the same situation you were in with Mike Nolan.

So if you hate the fact that Smith is competing then you hate the fact that Singletary and his OC are in charge of the team. You also hate the fact that Scot is the GM and that the organization chose to restructure his contract to keep him Smith with the team beyond this season.

At this point, I, like many others, are willing to defer the decision until the coaches make their choice, until Singletary makes his choice.

Well said...

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by backontop:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
I hear you, BigMike and you're right of course. There's just something about the Ryan Leaf thing that always gets to me but that's my problem. Ryan Leaf is one of the biggest a-holes I have ever seen in the league over the course of 50 years. He's like the polar opposite of a guy like Alex Smith - but you are absolutely correct and I'm trying to get over my Smith=Leaf anger. It will take time, but I'm working on it.

The Alex Leaf thing kinda pushes my button a little too.

Clearly the way Ryan Leaf handled his failure is 180 degrees opposite to Alex Smith, which makes the comparision difficult to accept. It just seems like those eager to link their names together (repeatedly) have a personal problem with Smith . . . as a person.

Not to mention the fact that he's not a bust yet. As long as he still has a chance to be a successful starting QB on the team that drafted him, he's not technically a bust. I can't tell the future or read minds like a lot of posters around here, so I'm still holding out hope.

I wonder how many lotto winners we have seems how we have so many that can tell the future.

Seriously!

So I've made this point in other threads and I'll make it here.

You can't "hate" either player and think Singletary is a good coach. Period. A HC is defined by the personnel decisions he makes about the most important position on the team.

A open competition means that there's NO decision yet as to who is better or worse, so I'm not sure how suddenly one can say Smith or Hill is or is not a better option - that is if you believe Singeltary to be a credible coach.

RIGHT NOW, Hill is only slightly better than Smith but hasn't done enough for the coaches to declare him the starter. Reality.


If you don't well it's the same situation you were in with Mike Nolan.

So if you hate the fact that Smith is competing then you hate the fact that Singletary and his OC are in charge of the team. You also hate the fact that Scot is the GM and that the organization chose to restructure his contract to keep him Smith with the team beyond this season.

At this point, I, like many others, are willing to defer the decision until the coaches make their choice, until Singletary makes his choice.

Yes, very well said. But I'm willing to defer a little longer.....a few games into the season when in fact we will see for ourselves if Singletary indeed made the right decision. I for one will hold off criticism until Sing's decision, whoever it may be, proves to be wrong.

KNBR Interview with Matt Maiocco (07/07/09)

ENJOY!!!

Originally posted by BrodieFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Even if Hill performs solid, I still think Alex should get some spot minutes similar to what Montana got. The future is more important than one year.

Good comparison. Walsh was very careful with Montana. He had DeBerg in there and DeBerg was a good game manager, but Walsh felt there was just something missing. So, he would try to stick Montana into game situations where he felt there was a good chance of success.

I really can't think of any other example of a pro quarterback being as carefully groomed as Montana was by Walsh.

Originally posted by PTulini:
KNBR Interview with Matt Maiocco (07/07/09)

ENJOY!!!

Very nice, thanks. Sounds like Maiocco is calling it pretty close to how I see it.

Originally posted by Peanut49:
You only get the Alex Leaf commentary, because of younger or even more talented QB's doing well at a younger age or maturing at a faster pace. I also, swear it has nothing to do with how awful the Niner's offense has been the past few years and how every situation is different.

The injury sort of set the maturation process back a little.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Peanut49:
You only get the Alex Leaf commentary, because of younger or even more talented QB's doing well at a younger age or maturing at a faster pace. I also, swear it has nothing to do with how awful the Niner's offense has been the past few years and how every situation is different.

The injury sort of set the maturation process back a little.

but... but... but injuries are just another alexcuse! ( /sarcasm )

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Peanut49:
You only get the Alex Leaf commentary, because of younger or even more talented QB's doing well at a younger age or maturing at a faster pace. I also, swear it has nothing to do with how awful the Niner's offense has been the past few years and how every situation is different.

The injury sort of set the maturation process back a little.

not to mention if they want to bring age into the equation, Smith is about the age now that most QB's get drafted at.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm sorry but I so hate Ralph as an interviewer. He just sounds like he's whining all the time. Just whine, whine, whine.

And Steve Young can't really make that argument about "no matter what you have to make plays." What's funny is that Young was considered a bust at Tampa Bay which is why we got him so cheaply relative to his worth. He only "made plays" once he was surrounded with championship-caliber players.

Now ONCE HE DEVELOPED AND LEARNED THE GAME, he could then play without necessarily having top talent at every position.

So let's be fair here.

PUH LEASE Steve Young had a worse team than Alex Leaf had with the Bucs. But you know what you still could see consistent plays more then Alex. Just dont go there man. We have a bust on our hands and the 49ers just kept him for financial reasons. Hill will start and hopefully Nate Davis will pan out.

Originally posted by 49er4eva:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm sorry but I so hate Ralph as an interviewer. He just sounds like he's whining all the time. Just whine, whine, whine.

And Steve Young can't really make that argument about "no matter what you have to make plays." What's funny is that Young was considered a bust at Tampa Bay which is why we got him so cheaply relative to his worth. He only "made plays" once he was surrounded with championship-caliber players.

Now ONCE HE DEVELOPED AND LEARNED THE GAME, he could then play without necessarily having top talent at every position.

So let's be fair here.

PUH LEASE Steve Young had a worse team than Alex Leaf had with the Bucs. But you know what you still could see consistent plays more then Alex. Just dont go there man. We have a bust on our hands and the 49ers just kept him for financial reasons. Hill will start and hopefully Nate Davis will pan out.

woooooooooooooo Nate Davis