QB Competition

Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Matt M interviewed with the Razor & Mr T this after noon and gave a brutal analysis of Hill vs Smith. You'll just have to listen to it:

Matt Maiocco interview

And of course, Ralph manages to interrupt almost every single sentence Matt utters. He is so absolutely miserable to listen to.

He loves to hear himself talk. I would refuse to go on that show if I was Matt.

I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

lol

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

He's been in the league 9 years and no one has corrected them. I think they may be equally fvcked on different ends of the spectrum.

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

WOW - didnt expect anyone from this crowd to actually agree with me...

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

what are JTOs flaws and Alex's flaws

list them and explain why JTO's are more correctable

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

He's been in the league 9 years and no one has corrected them. I think they may be equally fvcked on different ends of the spectrum.

For 7 of those years, he was never listed any higher than 3rd on the depth chart... People probably didnt even realize that he had a propensity to turn the ball over until he went to Detroit because he was never on the field...

My point is - 3rd stringers dont normally receive too much attention from the coaching staff... Just look at how many reps Damon Huard got in practice before last Friday.

Either way, this thread certainly isnt about JTO - and I apologize for detracting from the specific topic at hand.

Please stop mentioning JTO here.

This is a discussion for real QB's, and a REAL QB Competition. None of this: "Oh yeah Alex and Shaun are getting a fair shot with the first team! Really!"

JTO makes me want to throw f**king up. Can't believe this b***h cost us our season. No one is mentioning Nolan or f**king Mike Martz, so why do you gotta bring JTO in the discussion? Stop. Please.

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

what are JTOs flaws and Alex's flaws

list them and explain why JTO's are more correctable

JTO's main issue is turning the ball over (hence the nickname Just Turn-overs... clever I must admit). IMO, it is typically easier to teach an overly agressive player to lay off the gas than it is to get a hesitant player to step on the gas, as is the issue with Alex.

I personally think that simply getting O'Sullivan away from Martz and out of that high risk / high reward type of offense would have a significant and positive effect on him. Beyond that, he just needs to be taught to take that extra split second before delivering the ball to look for that defender that he has been missing, and then make a decision on where to go with the ball.

Alex on the otherhand, looks almost shell-shocked when standing in the pocket. Contrary to JTO, he has been held hostage by his fear of turning the ball over, to the point where he just cant cut it loose until he sees an open receiver and a clear throwing lane. As Urban Meyer accurately predicted, he has basically been non-functional on the field to this point in his career...

And while most people point to the constant changes in offensive coordinator as the reason for this, one could contend that he is now entering his 4th season with the vertical passing / digit system - while the playcalling from OC to OC definately changes, the overall package of plays and terminology more or less has remained the same - unfortunately, just like his presence in the pocket.


Just had to respond to a question - now im done... apologies.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

He's been in the league 9 years and no one has corrected them. I think they may be equally fvcked on different ends of the spectrum.

When did they try to correct JTO's flaws?

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

what are JTOs flaws and Alex's flaws

list them and explain why JTO's are more correctable

JTO's main issue is turning the ball over (hence the nickname Just Turn-overs... clever I must admit). IMO, it is typically easier to teach an overly agressive player to lay off the gas than it is to get a hesitant player to step on the gas, as is the issue with Alex.

I personally think that simply getting O'Sullivan away from Martz and out of that high risk / high reward type of offense would have a significant and positive effect on him. Beyond that, he just needs to be taught to take that extra split second before delivering the ball to look for that defender that he has been missing, and then make a decision on where to go with the ball.

Alex on the otherhand, seems to be almost shell-shocked and has been held hostage by his fear of turning the ball over to the point where he just cant cut it loose until he sees an open receiver and a clear throwing lane. As Urban Meyer accurately predicted, he has basically been non-functional on the field to this point in his career...

And while most people point to the constant changes in offensive coordinator as the reason for this, one could refute that he is now entering his 4th season with the vertical passing / digit system - while the playcalling from OC to OC definately changes, the overall package of plays and terminology more or less has remained the same.


Just had to respond to a question - now im done... apologies.

Great post, I agree with everything you said here.

My bad for bringing up JTO!

Back to the subject... It pains me to experience this so called "competition". It also pains me to see the same Smith after reading about an improved, matured Smith all off-season long. The team should stop this nonsense and focus on getting Hill as prepared for the season as possible.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by pigskin:
I believe JTO's flaws are more correctable than Smith's.

what are JTOs flaws and Alex's flaws

list them and explain why JTO's are more correctable

JTO's main issue is turning the ball over (hence the nickname Just Turn-overs... clever I must admit). IMO, it is typically easier to teach an overly agressive player to lay off the gas than it is to get a hesitant player to step on the gas, as is the issue with Alex.

I personally think that simply getting O'Sullivan away from Martz and out of that high risk / high reward type of offense would have a significant and positive effect on him. Beyond that, he just needs to be taught to take that extra split second before delivering the ball to look for that defender that he has been missing, and then make a decision on where to go with the ball.

Alex on the otherhand, seems to be almost shell-shocked and has been held hostage by his fear of turning the ball over to the point where he just cant cut it loose until he sees an open receiver and a clear throwing lane. As Urban Meyer accurately predicted, he has basically been non-functional on the field to this point in his career...

And while most people point to the constant changes in offensive coordinator as the reason for this, one could contend that he is now entering his 4th season with the vertical passing / digit system - while the playcalling from OC to OC definately changes, the overall package of plays and terminology more or less has remained the same.


Just had to respond to a question - now im done... apologies.

Great post, I agree with everything you said here.

Well abowers, i have to say its nice to see you quote someone who agrees with you and show you agree with them. i guess what i am saying is, its really amazing to see that you wound up agreeing with yourself. real shame we dont have jto anymore, now we definitely wont win superbowl number 6. if only we still had jto... i just might vomit my balls out my nose the next time i watched the team play.

Let this end any revisionist history, now and forever.

JTO has enough turnovers after 7 games to make 4 minute youtube videos (and still have turnovers left over), and people will still pine for the guy. Yet they can completely write off Alex after one game. It truly astonishes me. Why people just can't let the story unfold, I will never know. Instead they yell at the screen, while the show is still going.

Singletary closed the door on Just Turn Overs (thank God), he hasn't done so on Alex Smith, why not see what happens before writing obituaries?