QB Competition

Didn't Tennessee use a 3 second buzzer to try to help Vince Young?

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Smith goes 11/13 on mostly short/medium passes today. Hill goes 6/9 but hits a nice 35-40 yarder to Battle.

Two good things: Shaun finally gets a deep ball worth mentioning. Alex may finallly have some touch on short throws.

Lol bad thing: we still don't know who's better.

yeah i was gonna write this earlier. Now if they can both transfer this to preseason, it should make for an even better competition.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:


Its funny because in every Hill vs Smith debate, people will ALWAYS have some pathetic alexcuse for everything that Hill did better than him. If Hill did something good in 2008, it brings out people saying that Smith could have done the same if not better if he had the same team. If Smith did something bad in his career, then its because he didn't have a good team.

I understand that football is a team sport and no one should be put to blame completely, but people make it sound like Smith needs to have everything PERFECT around him. Hill was able to produce without having a perfect oline/recievers/oc. Sometimes you just gotta go out there and perform, especially if you were the #1 overall pick.

Whaaaaatever ya say dude. I'm just glad that Singletary is able to see the truth, and that folks like you are not running the team.

so niner4life21 makes a great point.....and yall respond like this.... I don't know if you're a Shaun Hill detractor or an Alex blind fan....or neither...

but I'd like a Shaun Hill hater or Alex blind fan to respond to what niner4life21 just posted...he made a great point that much of us here at the zone have been spouting for awhile now...

[ Edited by Afrikan on Aug 8, 2009 at 16:13:14 ]

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:


Its funny because in every Hill vs Smith debate, people will ALWAYS have some pathetic alexcuse for everything that Hill did better than him. If Hill did something good in 2008, it brings out people saying that Smith could have done the same if not better if he had the same team. If Smith did something bad in his career, then its because he didn't have a good team.

I understand that football is a team sport and no one should be put to blame completely, but people make it sound like Smith needs to have everything PERFECT around him. Hill was able to produce without having a perfect oline/recievers/oc. Sometimes you just gotta go out there and perform, especially if you were the #1 overall pick.

Whaaaaatever ya say dude. I'm just glad that Singletary is able to see the truth, and that folks like you are not running the team.

so niner4life21 makes a great point.....and yall respond like this.... I don't know if you're a Shaun Hill detractor or an Alex blind fan....or neither...

but I'd like a Shaun Hill hater or Alex blind fan to respond to what niner4life21 just posted...he made a great point that much of us here at the zone have been spouting for awhile now...

Respond like this because we have all been over this hundreds of times, ya mean? Let's try again, but briefly because I have things to do...

What most of you call alexcuses are LEGIT reasons for a young QB to struggle. Just because he was a #1 overall pick does not mean he can walk on water and excel beyond poor pass protection, poor coaching, and poor talent around him.

If you need me to, I can enlarge the bolded part, as it seems to go in one ear (so to speak) and out the other. Singletary sees what WE Alex supporters see... this is why there is a legit competition.

Originally posted by crzy:

Originally posted by hps49:
SPEAKS FOR ITSELF...




Shaun Hill starts, if he sucks, let Alex Smith come in.

Shaun Hill wins us football games, has a career 90 QB rating and people still want Alex Smith to start. Ridiculous.

Shaun has yet to play in games that meant anything, let alone win any games of significance. Taking over halfway into the season when for all intents and purposes the season was already over doesn't mean much. It really doesn't mean anything.

We need a quarterback who we know can win us games when they count the most. Not someone who we think, believe, or feel can get the job done, but someone that we know. That is what Sing is talking about in interviews, and that is the object of this competition, if either Shaun or Alex has that ability to be the "the guy" we will certainly find out in the weeks to come.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
First of all, sack totals don't tell the full story of how poorly an OL protected their QB. Do you people have any recollection in how many times Alex would get rid of the ball a split second before getting crushed? This happened a LOT, and does not go down as a sack. You should give him a lot of credit for evading pressure and being fairly smart with getting the ball out...( and you wonder why the lower completion % ) As well as our OL did in the run game? They couldn't pass protect for crap. Pulling stats like this is painfully ignorant in discussing truth.

Anyway...

Day 8, practice 14: Raye of hope

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/08/day-8-practice-14-raye-of-hope.html

Quote:
Raye spoke to the media for the second time this training camp. Here's what he spoke about: --He said it's "extremely important" for the 49ers to be able to hit big plays down the field in the passing game in order to prevent the defense from stacking eight defenders in the box. Advantage Alex Smith?

Its funny because in every Hill vs Smith debate, people will ALWAYS have some pathetic alexcuse for everything that Hill did better than him. If Hill did something good in 2008, it brings out people saying that Smith could have done the same if not better if he had the same team. If Smith did something bad in his career, then its because he didn't have a good team.

I understand that football is a team sport and no one should be put to blame completely, but people make it sound like Smith needs to have everything PERFECT around him. Hill was able to produce without having a perfect oline/recievers/oc. Sometimes you just gotta go out there and perform, especially if you were the #1 overall pick.

Are you seriously comparing the 2005 team to the second half of the 2008 team?

-9fA

[ Edited by 9erfanAUS on Aug 8, 2009 at 16:48:21 ]

To me its going to come down to preseason. If Smith outperforms him and looks great then he should get the nod but if not then let Hill continue to play QB. I think Hill did a great job at helping us win but it was not just him he did it last year. The defense stepped up a lot and helped him and the team out. In the end i do not care who wins is the starting QB as long as whoever it is helps win games.

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Shaun has yet to play in games that meant anything, let alone win any games of significance. Taking over halfway into the season when for all intents and purposes the season was already over doesn't mean much. It really doesn't mean anything

Sorry, but I think that's a bunch of BS. Every game means something in the NFL. And the 49ers were one goal-line flop away from being contenders in the division last season.

To discredit Shaun Hill's victories last season on the argument that his victories were meaningless games is ludicrous.

You might as well do the same thing to every quarterback in the NFL who is playing on a team that is not a contender.

Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000 yards. Who cares? He has yet to play in a game that means anything.

Hey guys if your going to argue and us a quote to prove a point please use the complete quote.

--He said it's "extremely important" for the 49ers to be able to hit big plays down the field in the passing game in order to prevent the defense from stacking eight defenders in the box. Advantage Alex Smith? No, not exactly. Raye said he is very pleased with Shaun Hill's ability to work the deep routes. "They are both doing well in that part of it," Raye said.

I just dont get it. the fact that alex aint blowing hill out should be enough reason for him to stay on the bench. We all know that Hill is not a good practice player, but he is still playing equal to Alex.
Going by stats hill was still better than most of the starters in the NFL. 13th overall aint too bad for QB these days. For Alex to get this job, He needs to shine Period. That is the only way that i would be cool with that. Otherwise Hill should start and continue what he started last yr.Hll he had a better comp % better that cassell and he had THAT O!
I wuld like to say thanks to alex for making Hill work hard but he will not be starting and should not be. Chances are we will see both QBs this yr anyway.

[ Edited by SF4EVA on Aug 8, 2009 at 16:58:34 ]

Originally posted by crzy:

Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Shaun has yet to play in games that meant anything, let alone win any games of significance. Taking over halfway into the season when for all intents and purposes the season was already over doesn't mean much. It really doesn't mean anything

Sorry, but I think that's a bunch of BS. Every game means something in the NFL. And the 49ers were one goal-line flop away from being contenders in the division last season.

To discredit Shaun Hill's victories last season on the argument that his victories were meaningless games is ludicrous.

You might as well do the same thing to every quarterback in the NFL who is playing on a team that is not a contender.

Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000 yards. Who cares? He has yet to play in a game that means anything.

They were meaningless, what besides pride were we playing for? The difference between taking over for a 2-6 team and starting for a full 16 games is a huge one.

What did Shaun have to lose last year, or the year before? The team had already tanked by the time he got in there, of course the guys rallied behind him they had been forced to play beside Dilfer and JTO, not respectively, all Shaun had to do was get in and play carefree. And he played good, no doubt, but good enough to be handed the keys?

We still have no idea how he handles the concept of pressure, the kind of pressure that comes along with being the guy, the pressure that comes with behind center when the outcome matters.

Why not have a competition where he can prove himself under the gun? Its a situation we have never seen him before, and his performance, or lackthereof, will go a long way in showing how he handles adversity.

Again if Shaun is the guy it will show itself in short order, and the same is true if he's not. I see no reason why anyone would not one these two guys to compete under these conditions, iron sharpens iron afterall.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:


Its funny because in every Hill vs Smith debate, people will ALWAYS have some pathetic alexcuse for everything that Hill did better than him. If Hill did something good in 2008, it brings out people saying that Smith could have done the same if not better if he had the same team. If Smith did something bad in his career, then its because he didn't have a good team.

I understand that football is a team sport and no one should be put to blame completely, but people make it sound like Smith needs to have everything PERFECT around him. Hill was able to produce without having a perfect oline/recievers/oc. Sometimes you just gotta go out there and perform, especially if you were the #1 overall pick.

Whaaaaatever ya say dude. I'm just glad that Singletary is able to see the truth, and that folks like you are not running the team.

so niner4life21 makes a great point.....and yall respond like this.... I don't know if you're a Shaun Hill detractor or an Alex blind fan....or neither...

but I'd like a Shaun Hill hater or Alex blind fan to respond to what niner4life21 just posted...he made a great point that much of us here at the zone have been spouting for awhile now...

Respond like this because we have all been over this hundreds of times, ya mean? Let's try again, but briefly because I have things to do...

What most of you call alexcuses are LEGIT reasons for a young QB to struggle. Just because he was a #1 overall pick does not mean he can walk on water and excel beyond poor pass protection, poor coaching, and poor talent around him.

If you need me to, I can enlarge the bolded part, as it seems to go in one ear (so to speak) and out the other. Singletary sees what WE Alex supporters see... this is why there is a legit competition.

No, there is a competition because the organization wants to save face. They don't want to come out and basically say, " ok guys, we f**ked up on the Smith pick. hill is the starter.".

ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX DAMMM 20 IN A ROW, GOOD FOR HIM.

Originally posted by Grigga2021:
ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX ALEX DAMMM 20 IN A ROW, GOOD FOR HIM.

for real? dayum, alex is on fire right now.

good job for my boy AS, now imma count and see how long until someone knocks his progress as usual with something negative.

so the best seasons for both smith and hill.

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
Shaun Hill
2008 SFO 9 181 288 62.8 2046 7.1 13 48 8 87.5

Alex Smith
2006 SFO 16 257 442 58.1 2890 6.5 16 75 16 74.8


misc stats: fumbles lost by hill 2, fumbles lost by smith 3. both have 2 rushing tds. in their best years.