QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Sam's throwing is excellent. Regardless of the motion, last year per PFR he hit on a 77.1% on target rate. For comparison, Jimmy's on target rate last year was 74.5% and Mahomes' was also 77.1%. The article that said he may be the "best 49ers thrower of all time" might have been hyperbole, but it wasn't summoned out of thin air.

EDIT: since we're here, Purdy's was 77%. Lance's was mostly in a deluge so I'm not taking his low on target percentage seriously. It's bad data. But Sam and Brock were excellent.

Please, no he isn't. Using 140 passing attempts to pretend he's an amazing thrower is a horrible rebuttal.

let's talk about bad% throw and on target throws if you're gonna use just stats to backup a horrible take.

Sam's other years of legit football….

2018-on target not a stat, 4th overall in bad throw %
2019-15th overall in on target% 17th in bad throw%
2020-32nd in the league in on target% top 10 in bad throw%
2021-24th in the league in target% and top 10 in bad throw%

so by you tossing out this random stat. You're saying Josh allen isn't an excellent thrower? 23rd in the league last yr.

Also regardless of nothing. If you have s**tty footwork you can't be an accurate QB. Period. His footwork has been bad since college. He's not accurate at all. Toss in a well documented loop throwing motion and what is he exactly good at "as a thrower"? I mean if you're throwing the football vs air then yeah I'm sure he has a pretty throw. So does Zach Wilson.

people trying way to hard to pretend Sam is anything but one of the worst starting QBs since he was drafted.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The closest Warner story would be Purdy, no doubt. He was one pick away from being UDFA like Warner. Played because of injuries. No one expected much but they shocked the world. Purdy almost did it, and I think he would have, if not for the unfortunate injury. :/

Warner just struggled to make a roster more so than Purdy. The whole grocery store thing

More like Tony Romo for Purdy. Sam is who is at this point. I'm sure this system will help him, but at this point I don't see some Cinderella story for him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The closest Warner story would be Purdy, no doubt. He was one pick away from being UDFA like Warner. Played because of injuries. No one expected much but they shocked the world. Purdy almost did it, and I think he would have, if not for the unfortunate injury. :/

Warner just struggled to make a roster more so than Purdy. The whole grocery store thing

More like Tony Romo for Purdy. Sam is who is at this point. I'm sure this system will help him, but at this point I don't see some Cinderella story for him

NY, I find your lack of faith disturbing

Sam was playing well last season QBing a dumpster fire, no reason he can't operate on a JG level here for us, and win a lot of games while very highly rated

this D, KS, the skill guys, Trent, they can carry Sam to a SB title, which would be very much a Cinderella story
BP can win one also, and I think TL can do it also, if he shows he can be a functional QB who reliably hits throws, can at least manage games

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, I find your lack of faith disturbing

Sam was playing well last season QBing a dumpster fire, no reason he can't operate on a JG level here for us, and win a lot of games while very highly rated

this D, KS, the skill guys, Trent, they can carry Sam to a SB title, which would be very much a Cinderella story
BP can win one also, and I think TL can do it also, if he shows he can be a functional QB who reliably hits throws, can at least manage games

He can also put up a sub 3 qb rating.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, I find your lack of faith disturbing

Sam was playing well last season QBing a dumpster fire, no reason he can't operate on a JG level here for us, and win a lot of games while very highly rated

this D, KS, the skill guys, Trent, they can carry Sam to a SB title, which would be very much a Cinderella story
BP can win one also, and I think TL can do it also, if he shows he can be a functional QB who reliably hits throws, can at least manage games

Faith in one of the worst starting QBs the past 5 years lol? Nah I'm just keeping it real. I don't care if he's a 49er. That doesn't change what he's been since coming into the league. I'll root for him to be good. I'm not gonna be a homer about it either. That's the difference.

I don't care about a couple random games last yr…when you have YEARS worth of bad stats and film. Sam was getting benched on the same dumpster fire team. He WAS part of the dumpster fire. So much do that team moved up to #1 to get another QB.

quick acting like those last couple games was Sam putting the team on his back…they were avg like 200 yards a game running the ball when he was in there. His last 100 passing attempts: 58% comp rate with 5TDs and 3 INTs. Wow amazing lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, I find your lack of faith disturbing

Sam was playing well last season QBing a dumpster fire, no reason he can't operate on a JG level here for us, and win a lot of games while very highly rated

this D, KS, the skill guys, Trent, they can carry Sam to a SB title, which would be very much a Cinderella story
BP can win one also, and I think TL can do it also, if he shows he can be a functional QB who reliably hits throws, can at least manage games

Faith in one of the worst starting QBs the past 5 years lol? Nah I'm just keeping it real. I don't care if he's a 49er. That doesn't change what he's been since coming into the league. I'll root for him to be good. I'm not gonna be a homer about it either. That's the difference.

I don't care about a couple random games last yr…when you have YEARS worth of bad stats and film. Sam was getting benched on the same dumpster fire team. He WAS part of the dumpster fire. So much do that team moved up to #1 to get another QB.

quick acting like those last couple games was Sam putting the team on his back…they were avg like 200 yards a game running the ball when he was in there. His last 100 passing attempts: 58% comp rate with 5TDs and 3 INTs. Wow amazing lol.

we are so loaded we just need someone who knows what he is doing back there
KS and this roster will be the catalysts (Griese also) for him to be career best
this isn't homer talking, this is just common sense, you admit it yourself in that you are sure the system will help him you said, he will look good for us

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He can also put up a sub 3 qb rating.

Lol right. Let's forget about 1,715 passing attempts and focus on basically like 60 passing attempts because that's totally equal and an objective way to look at all of it.

the amount of narrative pushing is incredible.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are so loaded we just need someone who knows what he is doing back there
KS and this roster will be the catalysts (Griese also) for him to be career best
this isn't homer talking, this is just common sense, you admit it yourself in that you are sure the system will help him you said, he will look good for us

That's totally different they're pretending he's a good QB or some amazing thrower of the football. If that's your take we could throw Nick Mullens in there and win a bunch of games all the same.

no it's completely homer talk. Has been since he got here. Common sense is you use his film and years of data to talk about what he is…not a QB rating from a couple random games and play it off like he's good. No one is buying the used car sales pitch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He can also put up a sub 3 qb rating.

Lol right. Let's forget about 1,715 passing attempts and focus on basically like 60 passing attempts because that's totally equal and an objective way to look at all of it.

the amount of narrative pushing is incredible.

Look at Geno NY
in NYJ he sucked, like Sam
you give him the K9, DK, Lockett, a HOF coach, two new tackles, he's putting up 4k, something this franchise has not done since Garcia (and has only done 1x)
he is now a $100 million dollar man
QBs can thrive in the right situation, if they have the skills, Sam clearly does, per Gore, Rapsheet, Baldy, Riddick, Hammer, Carr, and many others KS included

So much hate for the future 49ers GOAT. Do better people.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Look at Geno NY
in NYJ he sucked, like Sam
you give him the K9, DK, Lockett, a HOF coach, two new tackles, he's putting up 4k, something this franchise has not done since Garcia (and has only done 1x)
he is now a $100 million dollar man
QBs can thrive in the right situation, if they have the skills, Sam clearly does, per Gore, Rapsheet, Baldy, Riddick, Hammer, Carr, and many others KS included

I think best comparison could be Rich Gannon. Kind of sucked at Minnesota (with exception of lone Tom Moore OC year) not great s Wash or KC. Then got linked up with John Gruden then the light just switched. Even won an MVP if I'm not mistaken

The Jim Plunkett Story is a good comp as well; New England / 49er tenures; lacking, then BOOM: 2 Super Bowl wins with Al Davis Oakland Raiders!!

Nice, a 3rd QB thread down the s**tter. Keep up the great work guys

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are so loaded we just need someone who knows what he is doing back there
KS and this roster will be the catalysts (Griese also) for him to be career best
this isn't homer talking, this is just common sense, you admit it yourself in that you are sure the system will help him you said, he will look good for us

Geno spent years in the system. He didn't go from Jets to starter.

You undervalue the negative effects that bad habits and coaching have. It takes work to get through all of that. It's not show up somewhere else and it's instantly gone.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are so loaded we just need someone who knows what he is doing back there
KS and this roster will be the catalysts (Griese also) for him to be career best
this isn't homer talking, this is just common sense, you admit it yourself in that you are sure the system will help him you said, he will look good for us

Geno spent years in the system. He didn't go from Jets to starter.

You undervalue the negative effects that bad habits and coaching have. It takes work to get through all of that. It's not show up somewhere else and it's instantly gone.

Sam Darnold is 25, same age as a rookie QB just taken in the draft, so this isn't some old guy here.. do we dare go into the subject of brain plasticity