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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Allen was brought in for the case that TL can't beat out Sam for QB2 then they can trade him off and still have 3 QBs on the roster... I see this as the most likely outcome
Allen is here because there are only two healthy QBs right now and we normally have 3 for camp

And if that is true, why not just bring in a FA right of college on the cheap to dish the ball around, instead of paying money to a competent veteran backup like Allen?

Allen has a purpose and it is much much more than sharing the load during camp.

Primarily Allen is a put option on TL when he crashes.
i think you are putting a little more imagination into this than what it really is.

Darnold and Allen are not cemented on this team

I don't think Allen is but I do believe darnold is. Idk if it's qb2 or 3, though. I think Allen only has a chance to land the roster if we move Lance.
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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I agree that there is a chance, but I will have to see Darnold erase the wtf plays before I'm sold. I think he has a better chance than Trey of having success in this offense but as of now he still sucks

Throw on the tape he is an exciting player. All you need is to be a capable QB who knows what to do one play to the next and you can win with this offense. The O will carry him. Trust me if guys are running free, if he has open looks, there aren't gonna be turnovers. Explain how you get a TO with ppl open, just put it on em, it's not hard.

It's what he does. He's had these problems since college. He can look great all drive, then one sign of pressure and he forces a dumb pass

That's been a major problem for him and it's something he will have to get through on his own. Surrounding him with Deebo and the guys won't stop that from happening
Agreed… he is another head case for ks to play with and try to fix. Good luck. I think Sam is a cut waiting to happen….
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last yearIf we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Less harsh, but this… lol.

I don't think the gap from Lance/Darnold to a replacement is significant enough to pass on a talent like CY or DH, especially this coming season.

I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I agree that there is a chance, but I will have to see Darnold erase the wtf plays before I'm sold. I think he has a better chance than Trey of having success in this offense but as of now he still sucks

Throw on the tape he is an exciting player. All you need is to be a capable QB who knows what to do one play to the next and you can win with this offense. The O will carry him. Trust me if guys are running free, if he has open looks, there aren't gonna be turnovers. Explain how you get a TO with ppl open, just put it on em, it's not hard.

It's what he does. He's had these problems since college. He can look great all drive, then one sign of pressure and he forces a dumb pass

That's been a major problem for him and it's something he will have to get through on his own. Surrounding him with Deebo and the guys won't stop that from happening
Agreed… he is another head case for ks to play with and try to fix. Good luck. I think Sam is a cut waiting to happen….

Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

But if Purdy is starting and healthy, and Trey can't get any meaningful game reps, wouldn't it be better to trade him (for him and the Niners)? Assuming we get at least a 1st, of course.
Trading Trey after 3 games is plain stupid. Trading Trey after 3 games AND having a 2nd year starting qb with arm issues criminally insane.
Sam I am is a nice to have qb3 and no more. All the chatter about him from other coaches and gms is laughable. Why did they pass on him?.
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

They did try and trade for Sam before moving up to #3. Wonder if the same folks would've been OK with them swinging for that fence
[ Edited by krizay on Jun 22, 2023 at 9:47 AM ]
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

You mean surprised by Darnold specifically?

It wasn't surprising at all they went looking for a veteran QB to bring in and provide insurance with our starter injured.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

They did try and trade for Sam before moving up to #3. Wonder if the same folks would've been OK with them swinging for that fence

Didn't know that.

In any event we're in much better shape if we lose Brock/Trey to injury than last year.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

You mean surprised by Darnold specifically?

It wasn't surprising at all they went looking for a veteran QB to bring in and provide insurance with our starter injured.

Yes - not everyone for sure.

Based on the reactions in the Zone and reactions of the TV & media pundit there was a collective surprise reaction to the move.

I trust KS/JL and since they went very fast to get him then I'm cool with it.
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Yes - not everyone for sure.

Based on the reactions in the Zone and reactions of the TV & media pundit there was a collective surprise reaction to the move.

I trust KS/JL and since they went very fast to get him then I'm cool with it.

Yea, I agree it was surprising to a lot of 49ers fans.

Just wait until he's QB2, lol.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

QB1 week 1. Won't give it up all year en route to a Superbowl win. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

QB1 week 1. Won't give it up all year en route to a Superbowl win. LOL

I just don't know why the lol is included
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

They did try and trade for Sam before moving up to #3. Wonder if the same folks would've been OK with them swinging for that fence

That particular fence is on a little league field though.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We were all surprised by this move.

He was signed early day 1 of Free Agency which has to make us think. WHY?

KS & JL had this planned well in advance and not a spur of the moment thing.

They see something - for sure.

They did try and trade for Sam before moving up to #3. Wonder if the same folks would've been OK with them swinging for that fence

That particular fence is on a little league field though.

what's nice is swinging on Sam cost us exactly zero draft capital, you realize our big swing is competing with the guy who cost us no picks, on the chart, right?
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

It wasn't surprising at all they went looking for a veteran QB to bring in and provide insurance with our starter injured.

The Darnold move was very wise at the time it was made given Purdy's status. Reports that Purdy has returned to Florida to work on his technique provide more assurance that he will be ready by Week 1. That revitalizes the conversation about what to do with an "extra" QB on the roster. Do we really want to keep both Lance and Darnold or do we try to recoup draft capital by moving one of them? That convo will continue for a while.
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