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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last year

If we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Really? Some say Sam only needs the right coaching, while those who say Trey sucks based off the limited playing time he's had are clearly biased. Sam has done quite a lot at the NFL level to show that he may not turn out great, while Trey hasn't even had 1/4 season. Imagine throwing Peyton Manning on the scrap heap after his first 4 starts. Ignorant.

Peyton Manning had a whole lot of experience. Trey Lance has one year in college, then sat out a year, started two games in 2021 and 1 game and 1 drive in 2022. With all that missed time, Trey Lance isn't gonna just come out firing like Peyton Manning did. Also Peyton Manning took over a 3-13 team, while Lance is the project playing on a playoff team. In the end horrible comparison.

If we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

And at least there would be data to back that up vs a 3 game sample size with Trey.

The only objective take is there's not enough data for Trey, but it's hard to acknowledge that when you're biased as some of these posters are.

Where did I say Bust?? Even if I said he sucks doesn't mean I'm calling him a bust. Him not being worth three 1st round picks isn't calling him a bust.

You would think as much as you guys think Jimmy sucks, Trey Lance Mr laser rocket arm who can scramble like a gazelle could've easily taken the job from him. Now as right now he hasn't distance himself from Darnold or Purdy.

I'm glad you admit that you said Trey sucks.

Because I'm happy to admit I've never said Jimmy sucks... not once.

BTW I never said you called Trey a bust.

Thank you for proving my point even further!

Um where did I say he sucks now?

Reading comprehension prevents you from proving your own point. Lol

You're gonna talk to me about reading comprehension

You said Trey Lance is garbage… and repeatedly called him Treyning Wheels, you want him traded after 3 games and yet for the last several years you called everyone haters for just criticizing Jimmy's tape.

I've never called Jimmy anything remotely close to that. Defensive much?
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree on this one. I can cite you literally dozens of folks, who look at this QB situation from outside the org, and say Sam can have real success here. These include former coaches, GMs, front office personnel, NFL insiders, former players, QB gurus, you name it. TL is a question mark, I don't like what I've seen there to date, but he's 23 and not a finished product imo.

I remember the days when he was just 21. Can't wait to see he's just 28

One guy who got it turned was Alex, and I can say I was off the Alex wagon around the time he got into it with Nolan, and was losing offseason comps to JTO and Shaun Hill. But he's a pretty remarkable guy. He has a Ted talk I watched the other day, which I would recommend to any 49er fan. The guy nearly lost his leg, that injury was insane. I thought he lacked some toughness in those early days, boy was I wrong.

On TL and Sam, I don't think there is ever a moment where it's too late to improve. Some guys are just late bloomers, or in Sam's case, just need the right situation. If we get to the end of the TL rook contract, and he hasn't got it turned, then we can move on I imagine. We already paid the price, might as well enjoy the ride, see what happens..

But if Purdy is starting and healthy, and Trey can't get any meaningful game reps, wouldn't it be better to trade him (for him and the Niners)? Assuming we get at least a 1st, of course.

A first won't help us this season. It needs to be for a pass rusher, or other contributor or not at all.
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last year

If we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Really? Some say Sam only needs the right coaching, while those who say Trey sucks based off the limited playing time he's had are clearly biased. Sam has done quite a lot at the NFL level to show that he may not turn out great, while Trey hasn't even had 1/4 season. Imagine throwing Peyton Manning on the scrap heap after his first 4 starts. Ignorant.

Peyton Manning had a whole lot of experience. Trey Lance has one year in college, then sat out a year, started two games in 2021 and 1 game and 1 drive in 2022. With all that missed time, Trey Lance isn't gonna just come out firing like Peyton Manning did. Also Peyton Manning took over a 3-13 team, while Lance is the project playing on a playoff team. In the end horrible comparison.

If we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

And at least there would be data to back that up vs a 3 game sample size with Trey.

The only objective take is there's not enough data for Trey, but it's hard to acknowledge that when you're biased as some of these posters are.

Where did I say Bust?? Even if I said he sucks doesn't mean I'm calling him a bust. Him not being worth three 1st round picks isn't calling him a bust.

You would think as much as you guys think Jimmy sucks, Trey Lance Mr laser rocket arm who can scramble like a gazelle could've easily taken the job from him. Now as right now he hasn't distance himself from Darnold or Purdy.

I'm glad you admit that you said Trey sucks.

Because I'm happy to admit I've never said Jimmy sucks... not once.

BTW I never said you called Trey a bust.

Thank you for proving my point even further!

Um where did I say he sucks now?

Reading comprehension prevents you from proving your own point. Lol

You're gonna talk to me about reading comprehension

You said Trey Lance is garbage… and repeatedly called him Treyning Wheels, you want him traded after 3 games and yet for the last several years you called everyone haters for just criticizing Jimmy's tape.

I've never called Jimmy anything remotely close to that. Defensive much?

So first I said he sucks now he's garbage. Again where did I call him a bust???

reach on reach away.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last year

If we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Really? Some say Sam only needs the right coaching, while those who say Trey sucks based off the limited playing time he's had are clearly biased. Sam has done quite a lot at the NFL level to show that he may not turn out great, while Trey hasn't even had 1/4 season. Imagine throwing Peyton Manning on the scrap heap after his first 4 starts. Ignorant.

Peyton Manning had a whole lot of experience. Trey Lance has one year in college, then sat out a year, started two games in 2021 and 1 game and 1 drive in 2022. With all that missed time, Trey Lance isn't gonna just come out firing like Peyton Manning did. Also Peyton Manning took over a 3-13 team, while Lance is the project playing on a playoff team. In the end horrible comparison.

If we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

And at least there would be data to back that up vs a 3 game sample size with Trey.

The only objective take is there's not enough data for Trey, but it's hard to acknowledge that when you're biased as some of these posters are.

Where did I say Bust?? Even if I said he sucks doesn't mean I'm calling him a bust. Him not being worth three 1st round picks isn't calling him a bust.

You would think as much as you guys think Jimmy sucks, Trey Lance Mr laser rocket arm who can scramble like a gazelle could've easily taken the job from him. Now as right now he hasn't distance himself from Darnold or Purdy.

I'm glad you admit that you said Trey sucks.

Because I'm happy to admit I've never said Jimmy sucks... not once.

BTW I never said you called Trey a bust.

Thank you for proving my point even further!

Um where did I say he sucks now?

Reading comprehension prevents you from proving your own point. Lol

You're gonna talk to me about reading comprehension

You said Trey Lance is garbage… and repeatedly called him Treyning Wheels, you want him traded after 3 games and yet for the last several years you called everyone haters for just criticizing Jimmy's tape.

I've never called Jimmy anything remotely close to that. Defensive much?

So first I said he sucks now he's garbage. Again where did I call him a bust???

reach on reach away.


Are you serious?

This is why you can't criticize anyone about reading comprehension. I NEVER SAID YOU CALLED HIM A BUST.

Your only point was that you didn't say Trey sucks, but saying he's garbage is much worse so yeah…. you really showed me. My bad.
"Trey is garbage" -one poster

"I never said Trey sucks." -same poster

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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by SLCNiner:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
All we know is Trey and Sam suck. Saying we need them is like saying we need Josh Johnson. If Brock is injured there is no Jimmy G/Brock to save the day like last year

If we can fleece a team with Sam or Trey I'm all for it

Really? Some say Sam only needs the right coaching, while those who say Trey sucks based off the limited playing time he's had are clearly biased. Sam has done quite a lot at the NFL level to show that he may not turn out great, while Trey hasn't even had 1/4 season. Imagine throwing Peyton Manning on the scrap heap after his first 4 starts. Ignorant.

Peyton Manning had a whole lot of experience. Trey Lance has one year in college, then sat out a year, started two games in 2021 and 1 game and 1 drive in 2022. With all that missed time, Trey Lance isn't gonna just come out firing like Peyton Manning did. Also Peyton Manning took over a 3-13 team, while Lance is the project playing on a playoff team. In the end horrible comparison.

If we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

And at least there would be data to back that up vs a 3 game sample size with Trey.

The only objective take is there's not enough data for Trey, but it's hard to acknowledge that when you're biased as some of these posters are.

Where did I say Bust?? Even if I said he sucks doesn't mean I'm calling him a bust. Him not being worth three 1st round picks isn't calling him a bust.

You would think as much as you guys think Jimmy sucks, Trey Lance Mr laser rocket arm who can scramble like a gazelle could've easily taken the job from him. Now as right now he hasn't distance himself from Darnold or Purdy.

I'm glad you admit that you said Trey sucks.

Because I'm happy to admit I've never said Jimmy sucks... not once.

BTW I never said you called Trey a bust.

Thank you for proving my point even further!

Um where did I say he sucks now?

Reading comprehension prevents you from proving your own point. Lol

You're gonna talk to me about reading comprehension

You said Trey Lance is garbage… and repeatedly called him Treyning Wheels, you want him traded after 3 games and yet for the last several years you called everyone haters for just criticizing Jimmy's tape.

I've never called Jimmy anything remotely close to that. Defensive much?

So first I said he sucks now he's garbage. Again where did I call him a bust???

reach on reach away.


Are you serious?

This is why you can't criticize anyone about reading comprehension. I NEVER SAID YOU CALLED HIM A BUST.

Your only point was that you didn't say Trey sucks, but saying he's garbage is much worse so yeah…. you really showed me. My bad.

Unreal.

You said if we had Peyton Manning this fanbase would call him a bust just the same.

That's exactly like saying we're calling Trey Lance a bust.

que the back pedal.
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
"Trey is garbage" -one poster

"I never said Trey sucks." -same poster


Not gonna deny I said he was garbage. I'm pretty sure I said that out of drunkness at least. I'm sure if I asked you to find where I said that you could??

But where in that post up above did I say he sucks??
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Not gonna deny I said he was garbage. I'm pretty sure I said that out of drunkness at least. I'm sure if I asked you to find where I said that you could??

But where in that post up above did I say he sucks??

Nuff already braddah, everyone saw all the stuff you said about Trey, s**t you even was man enough to say you said those things about him in other posts. Does garbage not = sucks to you? Or you just talking about that post above, so since you didn't say he sucks there then you didn't say it? Maybe that's where the confusion is coming from, but in any case, everyone knows your feelings for Trey since we drafted him lol
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

in fairness, they were discussing suck QB play, and this is the Sam Darnold thread
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

Try to be nice should go without saying. But as far as the other thing goes, I still have zero idea why admins/mods are so against having a Quarterback thread. I have been saying this for like a decade. I dont see the downside at all.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

Try to be nice should go without saying. But as far as the other thing goes, I still have zero idea why admins/mods are so against having a Quarterback thread. I have been saying this for like a decade. I dont see the downside at all.

one thread to rule them all?
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

Try to be nice should go without saying. But as far as the other thing goes, I still have zero idea why admins/mods are so against having a Quarterback thread. I have been saying this for like a decade. I dont see the downside at all.

So have individual QB threads AND a 'QB thread'? To me, that's just another s**tty thread to monitor.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

Try to be nice should go without saying. But as far as the other thing goes, I still have zero idea why admins/mods are so against having a Quarterback thread. I have been saying this for like a decade. I dont see the downside at all.

So you want a qb thread INSTEAD of a thread each? That may be doable. But I don't think it would be all that popular.
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by English:
Gents please, can I refer you to the title of this thread? That is supposed to be the subject you are discussing.

And try to be nice to each other.

Try to be nice should go without saying. But as far as the other thing goes, I still have zero idea why admins/mods are so against having a Quarterback thread. I have been saying this for like a decade. I dont see the downside at all.

So you want a qb thread INSTEAD of a thread each? That may be doable. But I don't think it would be all that popular.

I think three active QB threads is plenty. They all blend into each other anyway. Having just one thread for all QB talk I can be on board with, but there are times having individual QB threads, one for each QB, allows for separate talking points to take place simultaneously.
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