QB Sam Darnold is a Viking

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Hey 6, George Kittle chose Trey over Darnold to QB at TEU. Am I doing this right?

Trey needs the work

Darnold with Kyle drawing up plays at HQ

They gotta figure out a scheme against these 👻👻👻👻👻

Just throw through them

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm honestly trying to figure out what this logic about "it's going to take time to fix negative habits" argument is all about. Let's say Darnold starts week 1. Your argument is that he's going to have all of these weapons to throw to, a genius play caller, and a very good run game - and NONE of that is going to make a difference? How would you explain his jump in production and reduction in mistakes going from the Jets to the Panthers (who are no where near as good as SF offensively)? Why can't he have a similar or even greater leap from the Panthers to the Niners?

Exactly what "bad habits" have you guys observed of his playing time in NY? Are you just referring to his stats/turnovers? Or have you guys actually watched film and seen bad footwork, mechanics, etc? Serious questions.

Sees ghosts, bad footwork, bad decision making. Lil of everything. Watch the Saints game. Wasn't pretty.

Never said it won't make a difference. Obviously the team is good enough to win with him. They are good enough to win with Trey too. Faithful said there is no reason to think he won't perform on par with Jimmy. That's the crux of the disagreement.

let's see the quote then we can discuss

I was about to say...

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Nope. The problem I see is that some people can see him being able to improve after 50+ games in the league sucking but can't seem to use the same logic for a guy with 4 games.

1 guy is entering a completely new environment. The environment is the same for the other guy. We don't know what Sam will look like in this offense. We already seen what Trey looks like in this offense. While he has a small regular season sample size. Overall he hasn't shown to really be "that guy". No matter how bad posters want him to be that

And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Nope. The problem I see is that some people can see him being able to improve after 50+ games in the league sucking but can't seem to use the same logic for a guy with 4 games.

1 guy is entering a completely new environment. The environment is the same for the other guy. We don't know what Sam will look like in this offense. We already seen what Trey looks like in this offense. While he has a small regular season sample size. Overall he hasn't shown to really be "that guy". No matter how bad posters want him to be that

And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

it's not about knowing who TL is..
you are right we don't know who he is.

that's why Sam Darnold is here
protection if TL doesn't look good
after all, we just don't know what he will or will not do
also just having Sam, gives comp, comp is good, will elevate TL imo, even if Sam doesn't play, he helps the QB room, by pushing in prax
so Sam only helps the situation

Originally posted by 49ers808:
And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

Trey's been pretty consistent in his play across his preseason and regular season appearances over his first two years here.

We don't know what improvements he's made, or will make, this offseason. If he doesn't show improvement I think we have a good idea of what he offers currently. That doesn't mean we have any idea what he could develop into with extended playing time. It's two different concepts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Nope. The problem I see is that some people can see him being able to improve after 50+ games in the league sucking but can't seem to use the same logic for a guy with 4 games.

1 guy is entering a completely new environment. The environment is the same for the other guy. We don't know what Sam will look like in this offense. We already seen what Trey looks like in this offense. While he has a small regular season sample size. Overall he hasn't shown to really be "that guy". No matter how bad posters want him to be that

And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

it's not about knowing who TL is..
you are right we don't know who he is.

that's why Sam Darnold is here
protection if TL doesn't look good
after all, we just don't know what he will or will not do
also just having Sam, gives comp, comp is good, will elevate TL imo, even if Sam doesn't play, he helps the QB room, by pushing in prax
so Sam only helps the situation

This I agree with 100% 6

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

Trey's been pretty consistent in his play across his preseason and regular season appearances over his first two years here.

We don't know what improvements he's made, or will make, this offseason. If he doesn't show improvement I think we have a good idea of what he offers currently. That doesn't mean we have any idea what he could develop into with extended playing time. It's two different concepts.

Yeah and until he gets that extended playing time I think we all should just relax a little bit on what he is or isn't. Enjoy the ride. I think we have a great QB room and yes that includes Darnold as a #3

Originally posted by Furlow:
I was about to say...

Post 1368

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah and until he gets that extended playing time I think we all should just relax a little bit on what he is or isn't. Enjoy the ride. I think we have a great QB room and yes that includes Darnold as a #3

Patience? Crazy concept.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah and until he gets that extended playing time I think we all should just relax a little bit on what he is or isn't. Enjoy the ride. I think we have a great QB room and yes that includes Darnold as a #3

He may not get it because we have another option who can also develop and has shown that he can operate the offense at the highest level we've seen in years. Just waiting on him to get healthy and we'll go from there.

That's the point. Sam and Trey aren't in a competition to become the long term starter here. They're in a competition to see who can help us the most now, and in that competition if one or the other is playing extremely well a door could open for them long term.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yeah and until he gets that extended playing time I think we all should just relax a little bit on what he is or isn't. Enjoy the ride. I think we have a great QB room and yes that includes Darnold as a #3

He may not get it because we have another option who can also develop and has shown that he can operate the offense at the highest level we've seen in years. Just waiting on him to get healthy and we'll go from there.

That's the point. Sam and Trey aren't in a competition to become the long term starter here. They're in a competition to see who can help us the most now, and in that competition if one or the other is playing extremely well a door could open for them long term.

I don't really agree with you on this one. You don't know if Trey and hell even Sam can't be the long term starter here. If one or the other is playing extremely well then why would we pull them when Brock is healthy? The sample size for Brock isn't all that big as well, his play can easily go in the opposite direction now that teams got some film on him. We've all seen many QBs over the years have a hot start to their careers only to fall off and they never regain that consistency they once had. I love Brock, but 8 games isn't enough for me to crown him our FQB and I also love Trey with 4 games not being enough for me too think he can't be our long term guy like the team initially had planned. All I'll do is sit back and watch and save my definitive thoughts until they are clearly defined as to our QB of the future.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I don't really agree with you on this one. You don't know if Trey and hell even Sam can't be the long term starter here. If one or the other is playing extremely well then why would we pull them when Brock is healthy? The sample size for Brock isn't all that big as well, his play can easily go in the opposite direction now that teams got some film on him. We've all seen many QBs over the years have a hot start to their careers only to fall off and they never regain that consistency they once had. I love Brock, but 8 games isn't enough for me to crown him our FQB and I also love Trey with 4 games not being enough for me too think he can't be our long term guy like the team initially had planned. All I'll do is sit back and watch and save my definitive thoughts until they are clearly defined as to our QB of the future.

I agree with you and covered this in my post. I said Trey 'may not get' extended playing time because we have another option, and also said a door could open for him or Darnold if they are playing extremely well (while we wait for Purdy to return).

Regardless, the point is one or the other (Trey or Sam) would have to be playing very well immediately for this to happen, or Brock would have to regress to a level that makes one or the other the better option immediately. The emphasis would be on what they are capable of doing right away, not who would be the better option to develop over extended play time.

I'll put it another way: If this team was in a rebuild or transition period, and Trey and Sam were the top two QBs on the depth chart, there is pretty much no circumstance where I wouldn't want to give Trey the extended playing time he needs to see what he could become long term.

Given that our team is in a Super Bowl window, and we have a QB on the roster who was playing fantastic and still has room for improvement, the calculus is different. We just need the best quality play we can get at the position until that guy returns (and then we'll see how he responds to the injury). If something develops in the meantime with the other two guys, we'll be better for it. It's not unreasonable to think that Sam could be a better option than Trey to win a game, or a handful of games, in the short term, despite being a less appealing developmental option.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I don't really agree with you on this one. You don't know if Trey and hell even Sam can't be the long term starter here. If one or the other is playing extremely well then why would we pull them when Brock is healthy? The sample size for Brock isn't all that big as well, his play can easily go in the opposite direction now that teams got some film on him. We've all seen many QBs over the years have a hot start to their careers only to fall off and they never regain that consistency they once had. I love Brock, but 8 games isn't enough for me to crown him our FQB and I also love Trey with 4 games not being enough for me too think he can't be our long term guy like the team initially had planned. All I'll do is sit back and watch and save my definitive thoughts until they are clearly defined as to our QB of the future.

I agree with you and covered this in my post. I said Trey 'may not get' extended playing time because we have another option, and also said a door could open for him or Darnold if they are playing extremely well (while we wait for Purdy to return).

Regardless, the point is one or the other (Trey or Sam) would have to be playing very well immediately for this to happen, or Brock would have to regress to a level that makes one or the other the better option immediately. The emphasis would be on what they are capable of doing right away, not who would be the better option to develop over extended play time.

I'll put it another way: If this team was in a rebuild or transition period, and Trey and Sam were the top two QBs on the depth chart, there is pretty much no circumstance where I wouldn't want to give Trey the extended playing time he needs to see what he could become long term.

Given that our team is in a Super Bowl window, and we have a QB on the roster who was playing fantastic and still has room for improvement, the calculus is different. We just need the best quality play we can get at the position until that guy returns (and then we'll see how he responds to the injury). If something develops in the meantime with the other two guys, we'll be better for it. It's not unreasonable to think that Sam could be a better option than Trey to win a game, or a handful of games, in the short term, despite being a less appealing developmental option.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I was about to say...

Post 1368

i was replying to NY in that exchange, he said he sees no Cinderella story for Sam here
that's a lack of imagination imo, I can see a story like that for all our guys, you don't think it's possible for Sam to have a great season here?

I've been sharing thoughts in here about ppl all around the league, coaches, GMs, scouts, ppl who cover the sport, former players, they are all saying Sam can really do well here this season if called upon, I agree with that

you'll notice in that post 1368 I extended the same belief to BP and TL, they can do it too, BP needs to get the health right, TL needs to make strides this offseason, but no reason to sit here in May and say these guys can't do it

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Nope. The problem I see is that some people can see him being able to improve after 50+ games in the league sucking but can't seem to use the same logic for a guy with 4 games.

1 guy is entering a completely new environment. The environment is the same for the other guy. We don't know what Sam will look like in this offense. We already seen what Trey looks like in this offense. While he has a small regular season sample size. Overall he hasn't shown to really be "that guy". No matter how bad posters want him to be that

And Sam has? 1 guy has sucked for multiple teams, multiple coaches and multiple environments, sometimes there's a common denominator in that. We barely know what Trey looks like in this offense and a big problem with that is people here think they already know what he is after 4 games. That's asinine and I'll never understand or agree with that. You don't know, I don't know, the 49ers don't know, everyone doesn't know what Trey is regardless of how bad some of you want to label him a bust and move on already

it's not about knowing who TL is..
you are right we don't know who he is.

that's why Sam Darnold is here
protection if TL doesn't look good
after all, we just don't know what he will or will not do
also just having Sam, gives comp, comp is good, will elevate TL imo, even if Sam doesn't play, he helps the QB room, by pushing in prax
so Sam only helps the situation

This I agree with 100% 6