Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well a good reason would be 1) if they felt he was QB3 this year AND 2) they felt that Allen was a solid QB3 replacement AND 3) it was at least a 1st round pick next season. If all three of those are a yes, then I would go for it. Because that would mean they're not going to pick up his 5th year option and next season would definitely be his last and then we'd have a lot less trade leverage.

But that's a lot of ifs and a big asking price, so I don't see it happening. And there's no reason to do it for anything less, with everything that we have riding on this season. We can win the Super Bowl with Trey as the starting QB, and it's possible that we'll need to based on our injury history at QB. You simply don't give up that type of insurance for a 2nd round swap plus a 3rd.

Nobody is giving you that. If that happened absolutely sign me up because any team who is desperate enough to trade a future 1st for Trey is unlikely to find success this season and Caleb Williams wants to be a 49er.

I don't understand why lance has such low value. If he is oozing with an enormous amount of potential and all he needs is playing time to get experience, and then he will play as well as top guys in the league - why wouldn't teams give up a first for him? it isn't like he has torn his ACL or anything. He's just had unfortunate injuries but nothing that should alter his career trajectory besides losing playing time.

I'm always confused by this - He's on a rookie scale contract with potentially three years left (very affordable), apparently he is this supreme talent that has the ability to be on par with the best in the league, but he has no value because he had a few unfortunate injuries? that doesn't make any sense to me. If that were true, teams would be lining up to get him from us and they'd be happy to develop a player like that. Teams would of traded a lot for Trevor Lawrence after his rookie season, which was awful, so why not Trey?

Because he's unproven. 4 starts is 4 starts potential or not. Injuries don't help.

A future 1st rounder is a tough thing to trade for an unknown guy who isn't a prospect out of college.

Now I don't think Trey's value is as low as some claim but imo it's too low compared to the risk we'd make in trading him which is why I'm agaisnt it unless it's a major return.

I'm only for trading him if it's a great haul for us, otherwise keep him as a backup in case injuries happen - which always seem to happen to us. I'm not advocating to trade him.

it just seems ass backwards that a lot of people seem to say how amazing he will be and all the potential he has, but he has minimal trade value? That's not how the nfl works.. lol especially for young players. When young guys, ESPECIALLY, at QB have immense potential - teams will trade a lot for them.

Finding a very talented and young qb is so hard in this league, typically the only way to get one is to have a really high draft pick - top 5 at worst.

if he really does have low trade value, that means a lot of teams don't see him having franchise qb potential.

Even after Darnold sucked it up in NY, the jets got a 2,4, & 6 round pick out of him.

I just don't think saying a player has a ton of potential but has low value, doesn't really make sense. Lol

im not advocating to trade for him, I'd much rather keep Lance as an insurance policy incase we need him, unless it's for sometbing that will really help us this year. Just in the NFL, young talented QBs, proven or not, are usually worth a lot.

Interesting comments by Jack Hammer (Press Democrat) about the narrative of Trey, Sam Darnold, and practice. How some others in the media have been.

Starts at 17:10

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well a good reason would be 1) if they felt he was QB3 this year AND 2) they felt that Allen was a solid QB3 replacement AND 3) it was at least a 1st round pick next season. If all three of those are a yes, then I would go for it. Because that would mean they're not going to pick up his 5th year option and next season would definitely be his last and then we'd have a lot less trade leverage.

But that's a lot of ifs and a big asking price, so I don't see it happening. And there's no reason to do it for anything less, with everything that we have riding on this season. We can win the Super Bowl with Trey as the starting QB, and it's possible that we'll need to based on our injury history at QB. You simply don't give up that type of insurance for a 2nd round swap plus a 3rd.

Nobody is giving you that. If that happened absolutely sign me up because any team who is desperate enough to trade a future 1st for Trey is unlikely to find success this season and Caleb Williams wants to be a 49er.

I don't understand why lance has such low value. If he is oozing with an enormous amount of potential and all he needs is playing time to get experience, and then he will play as well as top guys in the league - why wouldn't teams give up a first for him? it isn't like he has torn his ACL or anything. He's just had unfortunate injuries but nothing that should alter his career trajectory besides losing playing time.

I'm always confused by this - He's on a rookie scale contract with potentially three years left (very affordable), apparently he is this supreme talent that has the ability to be on par with the best in the league, but he has no value because he had a few unfortunate injuries? that doesn't make any sense to me. If that were true, teams would be lining up to get him from us and they'd be happy to develop a player like that. Teams would of traded a lot for Trevor Lawrence after his rookie season, which was awful, so why not Trey?

Because he's unproven. 4 starts is 4 starts potential or not. Injuries don't help.

A future 1st rounder is a tough thing to trade for an unknown guy who isn't a prospect out of college.

Now I don't think Trey's value is as low as some claim but imo it's too low compared to the risk we'd make in trading him which is why I'm agaisnt it unless it's a major return.

I'm only for trading him if it's a great haul for us, otherwise keep him as a backup in case injuries happen - which always seem to happen to us. I'm not advocating to trade him.

it just seems ass backwards that a lot of people seem to say how amazing he will be and all the potential he has, but he has minimal trade value? That's not how the nfl works.. lol especially for young players. When young guys, ESPECIALLY, at QB have immense potential - teams will trade a lot for them.

Finding a very talented and young qb is so hard in this league, typically the only way to get one is to have a really high draft pick - top 5 at worst.

if he really does have low trade value, that means a lot of teams don't see him having franchise qb potential.

Even after Darnold sucked it up in NY, the jets got a 2,4, & 6 round pick out of him.

I just don't think saying a player has a ton of potential but has low value, doesn't really make sense. Lol

im not advocating to trade for him, I'd much rather keep Lance as an insurance policy incase we need him, unless it's for sometbing that will really help us this year. Just in the NFL, young talented QBs, proven or not, are usually worth a lot.

I was talking about specifically a future first for next year aka Caleb Williams draft.

If you're not familiar but he's the next great QB prospect. We're talking Mahomes+ level hype.

So a team giving away a future first for Trey could potentially be handing the 49ers the first pick in that draft. It will never happen.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Well a good reason would be 1) if they felt he was QB3 this year AND 2) they felt that Allen was a solid QB3 replacement AND 3) it was at least a 1st round pick next season. If all three of those are a yes, then I would go for it. Because that would mean they're not going to pick up his 5th year option and next season would definitely be his last and then we'd have a lot less trade leverage.

But that's a lot of ifs and a big asking price, so I don't see it happening. And there's no reason to do it for anything less, with everything that we have riding on this season. We can win the Super Bowl with Trey as the starting QB, and it's possible that we'll need to based on our injury history at QB. You simply don't give up that type of insurance for a 2nd round swap plus a 3rd.

Nobody is giving you that. If that happened absolutely sign me up because any team who is desperate enough to trade a future 1st for Trey is unlikely to find success this season and Caleb Williams wants to be a 49er.

I don't understand why lance has such low value. If he is oozing with an enormous amount of potential and all he needs is playing time to get experience, and then he will play as well as top guys in the league - why wouldn't teams give up a first for him? it isn't like he has torn his ACL or anything. He's just had unfortunate injuries but nothing that should alter his career trajectory besides losing playing time.

I'm always confused by this - He's on a rookie scale contract with potentially three years left (very affordable), apparently he is this supreme talent that has the ability to be on par with the best in the league, but he has no value because he had a few unfortunate injuries? that doesn't make any sense to me. If that were true, teams would be lining up to get him from us and they'd be happy to develop a player like that. Teams would of traded a lot for Trevor Lawrence after his rookie season, which was awful, so why not Trey?

Because he's unproven. 4 starts is 4 starts potential or not. Injuries don't help.

A future 1st rounder is a tough thing to trade for an unknown guy who isn't a prospect out of college.

Now I don't think Trey's value is as low as some claim but imo it's too low compared to the risk we'd make in trading him which is why I'm agaisnt it unless it's a major return.

I'm only for trading him if it's a great haul for us, otherwise keep him as a backup in case injuries happen - which always seem to happen to us. I'm not advocating to trade him.

it just seems ass backwards that a lot of people seem to say how amazing he will be and all the potential he has, but he has minimal trade value? That's not how the nfl works.. lol especially for young players. When young guys, ESPECIALLY, at QB have immense potential - teams will trade a lot for them.

Finding a very talented and young qb is so hard in this league, typically the only way to get one is to have a really high draft pick - top 5 at worst.

if he really does have low trade value, that means a lot of teams don't see him having franchise qb potential.

Even after Darnold sucked it up in NY, the jets got a 2,4, & 6 round pick out of him.

I just don't think saying a player has a ton of potential but has low value, doesn't really make sense. Lol

im not advocating to trade for him, I'd much rather keep Lance as an insurance policy incase we need him, unless it's for sometbing that will really help us this year. Just in the NFL, young talented QBs, proven or not, are usually worth a lot.

I was talking about specifically a future first for next year aka Caleb Williams draft.

If you're not familiar but he's the next great QB prospect. We're talking Mahomes+ level hype.

So a team giving away a future first for Trey could potentially be handing the 49ers the first pick in that draft. It will never happen.

I know who he is, I follow USC. He's going to be a stud. I think the cardinals are aiming for him. Them or the Bucs. Still 30 other teams and only a handful of teams have a legit QBOTF. Idk what the hell Washington is doing but I think bienamy (Mahomes former OC) and Lance would be a better pairing than Sam Howell or whoever the hell they have.

anyways, I know what you're saying. I just dont know if that's a good enough reason to stop every team from trading for him.

it'll all play out. Like I said, I'm not advocating to trade him. I just don't think a player can be oozing franchise caliber potential and be valued very low. I'd much rather keep Lance this year because we should be all in for a super bowl and not weakening positions for future draft capital, unless it's a killer package.

So about the video clip I linked.. Jack and Krueger basically say that who ever has been going to these practices know that Trey has been the better performer out of him and Sam. Like as if it is very obvious.

So it makes me wonder...who or what is the incentive of making the competition seem closer than it is?

Is the 9ers FO trying up Sam's stock for a potential trade?

Is it other teams getting in the ear of the national media to try to somehow lower Trey's trade value? That seem ridiculous.

Is it just beneficial for the 9ers if the perception is that both are doing "well"... that they seem to be having a close competition?

Originally posted by Afrikan:
So about the video clip I linked.. Jack and Krueger basically say that who ever has been going to these practices know that Trey has been the better performer out of him and Sam. Like as if it is very obvious.

So it makes me wonder...who or what is the incentive of making the competition seem closer than it is?

Is the 9ers FO trying up Sam's stock for a potential trade?

Is it other teams getting in the ear of the national media to try to somehow lower Trey's trade value? That seem ridiculous.

Is it just beneficial for the 9ers if the perception is that both are doing "well"... that they seem to be having a close competition?

Why do you trust Jack and Krueger over other reporters?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

So about the video clip I linked.. Jack and Krueger basically say that who ever has been going to these practices know that Trey has been the better performer out of him and Sam. Like as if it is very obvious.

So it makes me wonder...who or what is the incentive of making the competition seem closer than it is?

Is the 9ers FO trying up Sam's stock for a potential trade?

Is it other teams getting in the ear of the national media to try to somehow lower Trey's trade value? That seem ridiculous.

Is it just beneficial for the 9ers if the perception is that both are doing "well"... that they seem to be having a close competition?

Why do you trust Jack and Krueger over other reporters?

What do you mean? Other reporters have all said the same thing.

MM and Barrows have said Sam has cooled off considerably, Eric branch used the term fizzled. Rohan has said Sam isn't processing things well. Even the Raiders beat writers said Lance looked better and that Sam looked uncomfortable and unsure what to do with the ball.

Has any reporter said Sam has looked as good or better than Trey collectively in camp within the past few days?

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold

Yea it's one thing to acknowledge Brock rightfully deserves his shot to stay at QB1 but then it's another to not act like we didn't see something in Trey to draft him third overall and he's yet to get his shot at it. Dude literally hadn't played one year of football for us because holding a clipboard doesn't count

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
This made me LOL, but I hear you. I haven't allowed my brain to go quite that far but I'm right on the edge. No way in hell would I trade Trey for swapping 2nds and a 3rd, even if he's only QB3. Not this season, with how perfect everything else is lining up.

Any trade of Trey doesnt make any logical sense, unless we are given an offer that is way too good to pass up. Even if the 49ers staff is convinced Darnold is the #2, he is only under contract for this season. We would be down to just Brock in 2024. That is not even to mention that all offseason long people were saying we need a good QB3, because of what happened last season.

I have yet to see a single person provide a good reason to trade Trey Lance. Not a one.

Well a good reason would be 1) if they felt he was QB3 this year AND 2) they felt that Allen was a solid QB3 replacement AND 3) it was at least a 1st round pick next season. If all three of those are a yes, then I would go for it. Because that would mean they're not going to pick up his 5th year option and next season would definitely be his last and then we'd have a lot less trade leverage.

But that's a lot of ifs and a big asking price, so I don't see it happening. And there's no reason to do it for anything less, with everything that we have riding on this season. We can win the Super Bowl with Trey as the starting QB, and it's possible that we'll need to based on our injury history at QB. You simply don't give up that type of insurance for a 2nd round swap plus a 3rd.

Good post Furlow. Most reasonable take I've seen regarding it

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold

I can't understand why folks have given up on Trey but like to sing Sam's praise. Even after it's been reported that Trey is outplaying him in camp. It has been stated that Trey is processing faster and has improved his accuracy.

A lot of fans like to throw Trey's completion % into the debate when putting Trey down. But ignore the fact that in 2 of Trey's 3 full starts he has dealt with a 17.8% drop rate. That is a ridiculously high number of drops for the amount of pass attempts.

Originally posted by Furlow:

What's the latest on Sammy?

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold

I think that's one of the reasons people call him a bust

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Till this day I continue to laugh at the people who really call a player a bust after he played in just 4 games and is just 3 years in his career as if it's already written. Folks act as if Lance played the same amount as Darnold

I think that's one of the reasons people call him a bust

Lol