Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The one thing I have always argued, which has been completely dismissed by the Jimmy homers and dating back to the Alex Smith homers, is that short passes are exponentially easier to improve on than long passes.

I am not sure I agree. Do you have anything to support your argument?

You're kidding right?

First of all, it is not about completion % or accuracy % as the longer your throw the ball the less accurate. That wasn't what I was trying to argue.

Second, I don't look at accuracy in term of just completing the pass. I think on the shorter throws especially (apply to all distance throws), just completing the pass it not enough. You want just enough touch, and hit the receiver on stride for maximum YAC.

Third, it is about improving the short throws vs improving the long throws. I don't know what SteveWallacehelmet has in mind. Let say you rank all the QBs in 10 yard throw accurarcy, and do another ranking in 40 yard throw accurarcy. Is SteveWallacehelmet arguing it is easier to climb the ranks in the 10 yard throw accuracy than the 40 yard throw accurarcy? I have doubts about this.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Can you hear the music, Trey Lance?💥 #49ers pic.twitter.com/FKN6VM9xfP

— Chris Polo (@ChrisPolo__) August 6, 2023

Some nice looking throws by Trey in this video!! I hope he shines when he gets on the field!!!

It's wild to see the hatful comments in that tweet. I've never seen someone get hated on so bad by his own fan base. whatever with people outside of the 49er fan base. That's just what football does.

Dude does everything you want your QB to do. He's nothing but professional and supportive of everyone. He puts in all the work you want the QB to do. He sounds like a great all around human being and yet the hate is next level. Pretty f**king pathetic imo.

Yeah, gosh. You'd have to go all the way back to, I don't know, the Jimmy Garoppolo thread, to see anything like it. I swear, the stuff that comes out of your mouth.

Once again...go back and check the Jimmy G thread through his first 4 starts and tell me how much hate you saw there. Hell check how much hate was there even in 2018.

The "hate" didn't start for Jimmy until after the SB and even then most people were simply talking about his limitations and his injury concerns.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
i can think of someone.

Being critical of a guy that's costing the team $125M and had 5+ years worth of film is MASSIVELY different than s**tting on a 21 yr old who has 170 random passing attempts.

He just doesn't want to get it bc then his reasoning for hating Trey won't be justified anymore.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Can you hear the music, Trey Lance?💥 #49ers pic.twitter.com/FKN6VM9xfP

— Chris Polo (@ChrisPolo__) August 6, 2023

Some nice looking throws by Trey in this video!! I hope he shines when he gets on the field!!!

It's wild to see the hatful comments in that tweet. I've never seen someone get hated on so bad by his own fan base. whatever with people outside of the 49er fan base. That's just what football does.

Dude does everything you want your QB to do. He's nothing but professional and supportive of everyone. He puts in all the work you want the QB to do. He sounds like a great all around human being and yet the hate is next level. Pretty f**king pathetic imo.

Yeah, gosh. You'd have to go all the way back to, I don't know, the Jimmy Garoppolo thread, to see anything like it. I swear, the stuff that comes out of your mouth.

Once again...go back and check the Jimmy G thread through his first 4 starts and tell me how much hate you saw there. Hell check how much hate was there even in 2018.

The "hate" didn't start for Jimmy until after the SB and even then most people were simply talking about his limitations and his injury concerns.

Wasting your time explaining this.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.

lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.

Personally,...well,...I'll never be able to complete a 50 yard pass in my life. But I think I can do a thing or 2 with my 5 yard hitch patterns if you give me a few weeks.

I mean...

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.

lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.

I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

It's extremely relevant. shorter passes have more room for improvement,...lol. The farther you throw, the less accurate you can be (PFF and common sense).

So shorter passes have more room to improve upon, regardless of whatever other outliers you want to include. It's really that simple, lol.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

It's extremely relevant. shorter passes have more room for improvement,...lol. The farther you throw, the less accurate you can be (PFF and common sense).

So shorter passes have more room to improve upon, regardless of whatever other outliers you want to include. It's really that simple, lol.

Going back to the original argument. Let say you rank all the QBs in 10 yard throw accuracy, and do another ranking in 40 yard throw accuracy. Is it easier to climb in the 10 yard throw accuracy ranking than the 40 yard throw accuracy ranking? I have doubts about this.

Also, you have more room to improve when the completion % is lower. In basketball, it would be easier to improve 0.1% of your 3 point FG% than 0.1% of your spam dunk %, because you have more room for improvement.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Being critical of a guy that's costing the team $125M and had 5+ years worth of film is MASSIVELY different than s**tting on a 21 yr old who has 170 random passing attempts.

Not really. Especially if you take into account draft picks.

exactly... if TL was a late first round pick then fine let him develop like a Jordan Love has with commensurate evaluation and patience .... but the amount of draft capital burned to pick this dude requires he receive the highest level of scrutiny and ShannaLynch as well (regardless if Brock "The Real Deal" Purdy has covered their azz for the failure of the TL pick)

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Can you hear the music, Trey Lance?💥 #49ers pic.twitter.com/FKN6VM9xfP

— Chris Polo (@ChrisPolo__) August 6, 2023

Some nice looking throws by Trey in this video!! I hope he shines when he gets on the field!!!

It's wild to see the hatful comments in that tweet. I've never seen someone get hated on so bad by his own fan base. whatever with people outside of the 49er fan base. That's just what football does.

Dude does everything you want your QB to do. He's nothing but professional and supportive of everyone. He puts in all the work you want the QB to do. He sounds like a great all around human being and yet the hate is next level. Pretty f**king pathetic imo.

Yeah, gosh. You'd have to go all the way back to, I don't know, the Jimmy Garoppolo thread, to see anything like it. I swear, the stuff that comes out of your mouth.

Once again...go back and check the Jimmy G thread through his first 4 starts and tell me how much hate you saw there. Hell check how much hate was there even in 2018.

The "hate" didn't start for Jimmy until after the SB and even then most people were simply talking about his limitations and his injury concerns.

Bringing in the Jimmy, Alex and Kap drama into this thread so that 8t can continue it here is lame.

Y'all need to let it go.


The following should be ban-worthy in current QB threads...
JIMMY Fan/Lover/Club/Hater

Jimmy Hater

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
If you see it as just completing a pass, sure.

However, that is not it. For short passes especially, it is important to hit the receiver on stride for YAC.

This also improves exponentially the shorter the pass is. Not sure what u are trying to say.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

U want those short passes to be as perfect as possible, not just catchable. In that sense, I disagree with you.

You want ALL passes to be as perfect as possible,... No?

It is easier to be more accurate the shorter the throw if you look at it like a basketball hoop, but I disagree because the hoop should not be the same size. The longer the throw the more time for the receiver to make adjustments.

I think short passes are as hard as long passes. *The catch* is an example. Joe couldn't even see Dwight when he threw because Ed "too tall" Jones was obscuring his vision. So he threw it blindly.

Another example, Jimmy throwing to (I think) Jeff Wilson to win the cardial game a few years back. Same thing. Jimmy couldn't see Jeff Wilson because a blitz was coming his way and the left tackle obscuring his vision. He just had to trust Jeff was where he was supposed to be and threw it.

Finally these outlet/check down passes are 4th or 5th reads, and they are the last options prior to just bailing out of the pocket. In that sense, their lower priorities tend to make them just as hard to throw as long passes because of all the reads you have to do before reading the short pass option.

You're reaching to make a simple comparison more complicated when it's not.

Hitting a pass further down the field is harder. It takes more arm strength and better accuracy.

Everything you said is even harder for longer passes down the field. If you can't see where you're throwing shorter throws are still easier in those conditions than longer throws.

Now if you want to play it off like shorter passes typically require faster processing and quicker release to be successful that's another thing all together. But when you break it down to simply which throw is easier it is always shorter throws easier than longer ones.

No different than easier to hit a target with a gun a lot closer to you than further away. But if there's someone right on top of you trying to murder you obviously it's more stressful and harder to draw and shoot the attacker vs seeing them come from a distance and having the time to target them and get them from further away.

The original post only states a conclusion, and I just added some counter context to it, simply to say a short pass isn't as easy as a layup. It involves some serious skill, both physical and mental. Add in the various defensive systems that are designed to take away the short pass (like zone blitz and fire zones) and defenses can make the short passing game much harder than so-called layups.

Conversely long passes aren't that hard if the guy is wide open because the defense bought the play fake. So a long pass isn't always more difficult than a short pass.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.

lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.

I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

Buddy, completing a 5 yard pass is much easier, why are you debating this. 🤣

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.

lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.

I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

Buddy, completing a 5 yard pass is much easier, why are you debating this. 🤣

We are talking about a completely different things. Easier vs easier to improve on.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The one thing I have always argued, which has been completely dismissed by the Jimmy homers and dating back to the Alex Smith homers, is that short passes are exponentially easier to improve on than long passes.

I am not sure I agree. Do you have anything to support your argument?

You're kidding right?

First of all, it is not about completion % or accuracy % as the longer your throw the ball the less accurate. That wasn't what I was trying to argue.

Second, I don't look at accuracy in term of just completing the pass. I think on the shorter throws especially (apply to all distance throws), just completing the pass it not enough. You want just enough touch, and hit the receiver on stride for maximum YAC.

Third, it is about improving the short throws vs improving the long throws. I don't know what SteveWallacehelmet has in mind. Let say you rank all the QBs in 10 yard throw accurarcy, and do another ranking in 40 yard throw accurarcy. Is SteveWallacehelmet arguing it is easier to climb the ranks in the 10 yard throw accuracy than the 40 yard throw accurarcy? I have doubts about this.

Not just easier. "Exponentially" easier. I have doubts as well.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

I don't know that Drew Brees breaking the comp % supports anything to be honest because he is the outlier. Also, shorter passes have higher accuracy % is actually not the argument. The initial argument was whether it is easier to improve shorter throw vs longer throws.

lol yes. And u've been given a TON of information to go and study up on regarding it if u still have any doubts.

I already explained why the information you provided was not relevant. We may not be talking about the same thing though.

Buddy, completing a 5 yard pass is much easier, why are you debating this. 🤣

We are talking about a completely different things. Easier vs easier to improve on.

Amazing you have to explain this, but I'm not surprised.