Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

Love the arch on this throw, this is why I'd like to see him be more consistent at (the arch), I feel like sometimes he puts it on a rope too often. Beautiful pass though.

not saying he has an issue. lol just that if he could hit things like that consistently at all levels, he'll be hard to keep off the field.

Some of those Trey laser throws reminds me a big of past strong armed QB's (not going to name names) who couldn't read the defenses fast enough and had to gun the ball in there because of a late read. Having said that, Trey's rapidly improving. That was a beautiful pass and I hope he does keep improving so much that QB1 seriously has to be a bit worried. Man o man if Trey can put everything together, I can see another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young 2.0 in his future.

The Kap comparisons with Trey drive me crazy. Not saying specifically that's who you were comparing him to but i know I saw it earlier too.

Fact is Trey has way less experience playing QB than Kap and still shows a lot more touch, advanced QBing and much better mental part of the game than Kap at the same point in their careers.

There are reasons why Kap got crap from even Crabtree(you'd figure Crab would have some loyalty) about his film study habits.

The pick to Winters was a bad decision and Kyle explained it. It wasn't an issue of touch. Perhaps he couldn't thrown the ball with more touch to get it over Winters but if you watch the play it was a full extension jump ball and Winters gets it. Trey simply thought he had enough room to hit the deep ball there when the smart and safer choice was hit the underneath and not risk the turnover. It's a learning situation for Trey.

But he's a lot further along as a QB than Kap was even if the stats aren't as impressive.

Bud, it's social media, if you let it - social media itself will drive you crazy. You have a choice.

As for Trey/Kaepernick Comparison - it's a just a comparison. Kap took us to the Super Bowl, Trey hasn't even taken us to the playoffs.

Having said that, the game plan for Trey was - in my opinion - about a year (or two year) development sitting behind Jimmy. 1st year - develop, 2nd year - take us to the playoffs a la Mahomes. The problem of course is that he got injured and then out of nowhere Purdy comes in and dominates. Who could have foreseen that - on Trey's draft day. I still think Trey is going to be a good, if not great QB, because Kyle still believes in him. The Sam Darnold/Brandon Allen deal is to just shore up that QB3 position. Kyle, in my opinion, just needs some sort of minimal excuse to keep him on the roster - to keep developing him. The injuries and Brock's emergence has simply lengthened Trey's development time. I don't think Kyle's changed his opinion on Trey since drafting him. I certainly don't think I need to change my opinion on Trey. It's just too soon. We still don' t know what we don't know.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

It's funny, Kyle could have had developed Kaepernick from the git-go in 2017, instead of cutting him. (leaving out the non-football issues aside) Lance and Colin have certain similarities. I still believe if Colin had Kyle as his OC - he'd be lighting it up in the NFL and winning a ton of games. Tomsula and Kelly simply don't know how to create an NFL offense and it doesn't help that they had a doofus GM who didn't talk to the scouts or coaches when he drafted players. Jim Harbaugh would have been able to motivate Colin to study more tape and continue to develop his mechanics IMO, and Jim would have had drafted better WR's than Baalke.

Physically talented players like Colin and Trey take (Ironically) more time to develop. I mean Trey probably wouldn't have gotten injured if he didn't show such great running ability in college. For Example, I really haven't seen Kyle call QB power as much when Purdy was QB vs Trey.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
Crazy ppl here want to get rid of any of our QBs given our past history. In the Shanahan era outside of 2019, we had to use at least more than 1 QB every year (multiple times going to QB3 which is f**king crazy if you think about it).

We play a number 1 schedule this year so risk for QB injury may be higher (better teams-->better pass rushers-->more sacks-->greater likelihood for injury). Btw all of our QBs have significant recent (like last year) injury histories including Darnold (missed the majority of the beginning of last season with a bad high ankle sprain).

We aren't trading anyone. Allen will be kept on the PS and protected for the max number of weeks then moved to the active roster. (especially if we have another injury).

Last thing Shanahan wants to do is try to find a Josh Johnson type QB late in the season especially in the playoffs.

Man our injury history has to change.. statistically it is absolutely insane how we've been so unlucky. We've been the most injured team in the league since kyle took over in 2017. One of our years was one of the worst seasons ever for a team injury wise.

it's so improbable for a team to have this many injuries, you'd imagine the statistics will balance out eventually - especially to our key players. It's f**kin depressing. Lol

Got to load up the backups as best you can talent-wise, so you can project that they will play well in a significant part of your upcoming season. So a guy like Allen is given reps, despite the media outcry that the reps should only go to Brock and Trey (as an example). Brock was a quality backup until he had to start and he knocked it out of the park. I think you have to put a lot of pressure on your scouting department and analytics department to make sure you find the best diamonds in the rough at the back end of your team, knowing you will need those backups during the season, and maybe into the playoffs. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

I understand what you're saying and agree but there is a consistent correlation to who wins the super bowls and who stays healthy. The reality of it is that if half your team is injured, even if the depth is good young talent, you're going to struggle. Too much inexperience, chemistry issues, learning curves etc.

i get that injuries will happen and guys will have to fill in, but you need a majority of your starts, specifically the high quality ones, to be available. It's ruined our chances many times and many other teams. The team that wins it is usually the one with their main guys available and able to play at a high level.

Agree - you need a core of uninjured players to win the super bowl. Disagree that you ONLY need an uninjured core of players to win the super bowl. 49ers win a super bowl on a 10-6 record because they got lucky by getting into the playoffs and making an insane run in the playoffs. Lesson - just get into the playoffs - you just might get lucky and win a championship. 49ers had a string of 20+ playoff appearances, but only five super bowls to show for it. That shows you how much luck plays a part in winning championships.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

LOL

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

LOL

Grown ass men just starved for attention.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Kap and TL similarities in play:

tall frame
strong arm
unorthodox ugly throwing motion
same type of single throw passer
only throw decent ball is a laser
no touch
struggles with accuracy
struggles with short throws in the flat
low ball position and arm during loading
slashes delivery across body
low elbow below shoulder line
struggles to climb pocket while making reads
locks into target
tendency for tunnel vision
both decent runners in open space
both quiet leaders
didn't take defenses long to catch up to Kap, has already happened to TL

70% of those are not a thing at all. And half of the other things are correctable for Trey with work and experience. Kap didn't play his first game until he was 25. Trey just turned 23 recently.

Stop with the garbage takes but that wouldn't leave you with much to talk about I guess.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

Love the arch on this throw, this is why I'd like to see him be more consistent at (the arch), I feel like sometimes he puts it on a rope too often. Beautiful pass though.

not saying he has an issue. lol just that if he could hit things like that consistently at all levels, he'll be hard to keep off the field.

Some of those Trey laser throws reminds me a big of past strong armed QB's (not going to name names) who couldn't read the defenses fast enough and had to gun the ball in there because of a late read. Having said that, Trey's rapidly improving. That was a beautiful pass and I hope he does keep improving so much that QB1 seriously has to be a bit worried. Man o man if Trey can put everything together, I can see another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young 2.0 in his future.

The Kap comparisons with Trey drive me crazy. Not saying specifically that's who you were comparing him to but i know I saw it earlier too.

Fact is Trey has way less experience playing QB than Kap and still shows a lot more touch, advanced QBing and much better mental part of the game than Kap at the same point in their careers.

There are reasons why Kap got crap from even Crabtree(you'd figure Crab would have some loyalty) about his film study habits.

The pick to Winters was a bad decision and Kyle explained it. It wasn't an issue of touch. Perhaps he couldn't thrown the ball with more touch to get it over Winters but if you watch the play it was a full extension jump ball and Winters gets it. Trey simply thought he had enough room to hit the deep ball there when the smart and safer choice was hit the underneath and not risk the turnover. It's a learning situation for Trey.

But he's a lot further along as a QB than Kap was even if the stats aren't as impressive.

Bud, it's social media, if you let it - social media itself will drive you crazy. You have a choice.

As for Trey/Kaepernick Comparison - it's a just a comparison. Kap took us to the Super Bowl, Trey hasn't even taken us to the playoffs.

Having said that, the game plan for Trey was - in my opinion - about a year (or two year) development sitting behind Jimmy. 1st year - develop, 2nd year - take us to the playoffs a la Mahomes. The problem of course is that he got injured and then out of nowhere Purdy comes in and dominates. Who could have foreseen that - on Trey's draft day. I still think Trey is going to be a good, if not great QB, because Kyle still believes in him. The Sam Darnold/Brandon Allen deal is to just shore up that QB3 position. Kyle, in my opinion, just needs some sort of minimal excuse to keep him on the roster - to keep developing him. The injuries and Brock's emergence has simply lengthened Trey's development time. I don't think Kyle's changed his opinion on Trey since drafting him. I certainly don't think I need to change my opinion on Trey. It's just too soon. We still don' t know what we don't know.

Excellent take on the situation. Agree.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

Love the arch on this throw, this is why I'd like to see him be more consistent at (the arch), I feel like sometimes he puts it on a rope too often. Beautiful pass though.

not saying he has an issue. lol just that if he could hit things like that consistently at all levels, he'll be hard to keep off the field.

Some of those Trey laser throws reminds me a big of past strong armed QB's (not going to name names) who couldn't read the defenses fast enough and had to gun the ball in there because of a late read. Having said that, Trey's rapidly improving. That was a beautiful pass and I hope he does keep improving so much that QB1 seriously has to be a bit worried. Man o man if Trey can put everything together, I can see another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young 2.0 in his future.

The Kap comparisons with Trey drive me crazy. Not saying specifically that's who you were comparing him to but i know I saw it earlier too.

Fact is Trey has way less experience playing QB than Kap and still shows a lot more touch, advanced QBing and much better mental part of the game than Kap at the same point in their careers.

There are reasons why Kap got crap from even Crabtree(you'd figure Crab would have some loyalty) about his film study habits.

The pick to Winters was a bad decision and Kyle explained it. It wasn't an issue of touch. Perhaps he couldn't thrown the ball with more touch to get it over Winters but if you watch the play it was a full extension jump ball and Winters gets it. Trey simply thought he had enough room to hit the deep ball there when the smart and safer choice was hit the underneath and not risk the turnover. It's a learning situation for Trey.

But he's a lot further along as a QB than Kap was even if the stats aren't as impressive.

Bud, it's social media, if you let it - social media itself will drive you crazy. You have a choice.

As for Trey/Kaepernick Comparison - it's a just a comparison. Kap took us to the Super Bowl, Trey hasn't even taken us to the playoffs.

Having said that, the game plan for Trey was - in my opinion - about a year (or two year) development sitting behind Jimmy. 1st year - develop, 2nd year - take us to the playoffs a la Mahomes. The problem of course is that he got injured and then out of nowhere Purdy comes in and dominates. Who could have foreseen that - on Trey's draft day. I still think Trey is going to be a good, if not great QB, because Kyle still believes in him. The Sam Darnold/Brandon Allen deal is to just shore up that QB3 position. Kyle, in my opinion, just needs some sort of minimal excuse to keep him on the roster - to keep developing him. The injuries and Brock's emergence has simply lengthened Trey's development time. I don't think Kyle's changed his opinion on Trey since drafting him. I certainly don't think I need to change my opinion on Trey. It's just too soon. We still don' t know what we don't know.

1. It's hyperbole...I'm very much sane.

2. Kap taking us to the SB doesn't make him automatically a better passer than Trey.

3. Your response doesn't address the Kap vs Trey comparison at all, which is what my issue was. I agreed with the rest of your post.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

Love the arch on this throw, this is why I'd like to see him be more consistent at (the arch), I feel like sometimes he puts it on a rope too often. Beautiful pass though.

not saying he has an issue. lol just that if he could hit things like that consistently at all levels, he'll be hard to keep off the field.

Some of those Trey laser throws reminds me a big of past strong armed QB's (not going to name names) who couldn't read the defenses fast enough and had to gun the ball in there because of a late read. Having said that, Trey's rapidly improving. That was a beautiful pass and I hope he does keep improving so much that QB1 seriously has to be a bit worried. Man o man if Trey can put everything together, I can see another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young 2.0 in his future.

The Kap comparisons with Trey drive me crazy. Not saying specifically that's who you were comparing him to but i know I saw it earlier too.

Fact is Trey has way less experience playing QB than Kap and still shows a lot more touch, advanced QBing and much better mental part of the game than Kap at the same point in their careers.

There are reasons why Kap got crap from even Crabtree(you'd figure Crab would have some loyalty) about his film study habits.

The pick to Winters was a bad decision and Kyle explained it. It wasn't an issue of touch. Perhaps he couldn't thrown the ball with more touch to get it over Winters but if you watch the play it was a full extension jump ball and Winters gets it. Trey simply thought he had enough room to hit the deep ball there when the smart and safer choice was hit the underneath and not risk the turnover. It's a learning situation for Trey.

But he's a lot further along as a QB than Kap was even if the stats aren't as impressive.

Bud, it's social media, if you let it - social media itself will drive you crazy. You have a choice.

As for Trey/Kaepernick Comparison - it's a just a comparison. Kap took us to the Super Bowl, Trey hasn't even taken us to the playoffs.

Having said that, the game plan for Trey was - in my opinion - about a year (or two year) development sitting behind Jimmy. 1st year - develop, 2nd year - take us to the playoffs a la Mahomes. The problem of course is that he got injured and then out of nowhere Purdy comes in and dominates. Who could have foreseen that - on Trey's draft day. I still think Trey is going to be a good, if not great QB, because Kyle still believes in him. The Sam Darnold/Brandon Allen deal is to just shore up that QB3 position. Kyle, in my opinion, just needs some sort of minimal excuse to keep him on the roster - to keep developing him. The injuries and Brock's emergence has simply lengthened Trey's development time. I don't think Kyle's changed his opinion on Trey since drafting him. I certainly don't think I need to change my opinion on Trey. It's just too soon. We still don' t know what we don't know.

Excellent take on the situation. Agree.

- I haven't been so excited about a preseason game in A VERY LONG TIME!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

Love the arch on this throw, this is why I'd like to see him be more consistent at (the arch), I feel like sometimes he puts it on a rope too often. Beautiful pass though.

not saying he has an issue. lol just that if he could hit things like that consistently at all levels, he'll be hard to keep off the field.

Some of those Trey laser throws reminds me a big of past strong armed QB's (not going to name names) who couldn't read the defenses fast enough and had to gun the ball in there because of a late read. Having said that, Trey's rapidly improving. That was a beautiful pass and I hope he does keep improving so much that QB1 seriously has to be a bit worried. Man o man if Trey can put everything together, I can see another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young 2.0 in his future.

The Kap comparisons with Trey drive me crazy. Not saying specifically that's who you were comparing him to but i know I saw it earlier too.

Fact is Trey has way less experience playing QB than Kap and still shows a lot more touch, advanced QBing and much better mental part of the game than Kap at the same point in their careers.

There are reasons why Kap got crap from even Crabtree(you'd figure Crab would have some loyalty) about his film study habits.

The pick to Winters was a bad decision and Kyle explained it. It wasn't an issue of touch. Perhaps he couldn't thrown the ball with more touch to get it over Winters but if you watch the play it was a full extension jump ball and Winters gets it. Trey simply thought he had enough room to hit the deep ball there when the smart and safer choice was hit the underneath and not risk the turnover. It's a learning situation for Trey.

But he's a lot further along as a QB than Kap was even if the stats aren't as impressive.

Bud, it's social media, if you let it - social media itself will drive you crazy. You have a choice.

As for Trey/Kaepernick Comparison - it's a just a comparison. Kap took us to the Super Bowl, Trey hasn't even taken us to the playoffs.

Having said that, the game plan for Trey was - in my opinion - about a year (or two year) development sitting behind Jimmy. 1st year - develop, 2nd year - take us to the playoffs a la Mahomes. The problem of course is that he got injured and then out of nowhere Purdy comes in and dominates. Who could have foreseen that - on Trey's draft day. I still think Trey is going to be a good, if not great QB, because Kyle still believes in him. The Sam Darnold/Brandon Allen deal is to just shore up that QB3 position. Kyle, in my opinion, just needs some sort of minimal excuse to keep him on the roster - to keep developing him. The injuries and Brock's emergence has simply lengthened Trey's development time. I don't think Kyle's changed his opinion on Trey since drafting him. I certainly don't think I need to change my opinion on Trey. It's just too soon. We still don' t know what we don't know.

1. It's hyperbole...I'm very much sane.

2. Kap taking us to the SB doesn't make him automatically a better passer than Trey.

3. Your response doesn't address the Kap vs Trey comparison at all, which is what my issue was. I agreed with the rest of your post.

I'm still a huge Kaepernick fan. I think Trey can exceed what Colin did. He has the same physical talent, but for the Covid issues hampering his development in college. Difference between Trey and Kaep's situation is - he has Kyle as the OC, and John as the GM. You can build a dynasty around Trey (and that goes for QB1 too) if ShanaLynch continues to draft well and find diamonds in the rough like Greenlaw and Juauan. Once Trey gets his short game under control, it's going to be a knock down drag out battle between Trey and Brock for the QB1 position. Poor Kyle will have to deal with it on a national level (possibly even worldwide level - Rita Oak anyone?).

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

This is one of the reason Lynch and Shanny drafted him when they moved up in the draft. Some of you are out of your mind wanted to rid of Lance.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had probably the three best throws in camp today of all the QBs. However, he also had the only interception.
Overall he had a very positive day and just keeps improving but still has more to go.
pic.twitter.com/D8UbMjKiuW

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) August 4, 2023

This is one of the reason Lynch and Shanny drafted him when they moved up in the draft. Some of you are out of your mind wanted to rid of Lance.

Can he do it consistently, in real games, vs NFL Ds, when the D is trying to confuse in coverage, and get hits on the QB? That is more the question.

I don't like TLs game, from the limited he has put on film, but I also don't want to get rid of TL right now, unless he is demonstrably QB3. Which is TBD. It's year 3 so a lot of the potential talk, goes out the window. Can you play? Not potentially in 5 years after 40 starts, but right now? We are about to find out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Can he do it consistently, in real games, vs NFL Ds, when the D is trying to confuse in coverage, and get hits on the QB? That is more the question.

I don't like TLs game, from the limited he has put on film, but I also don't want to get rid of TL right now, unless he is demonstrably QB3. Which is TBD. It's year 3 so a lot of the potential talk, goes out the window. Can you play? Not potentially in 5 years after 40 starts, but right now? We are about to find out.

Looks like a similar throw he threw to Ray Ray in CHI so yes he can do it

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Can he do it consistently, in real games, vs NFL Ds, when the D is trying to confuse in coverage, and get hits on the QB? That is more the question.

I don't like TLs game, from the limited he has put on film, but I also don't want to get rid of TL right now, unless he is demonstrably QB3. Which is TBD. It's year 3 so a lot of the potential talk, goes out the window. Can you play? Not potentially in 5 years after 40 starts, but right now? We are about to find out.

Looks like a similar throw he threw to Ray Ray in CHI so yes he can do it

the test isn't one throw here, and literally another throw there
he's career 54.9%
BP was 67.1%
JG was with SF 67.6%

granted, we ask TL maybe to push it downfield more, but I think at least, you want something starting with a 6 in this offense, not a 5. Guys are open here. Hit your passes. Finish drives with TDs. Limit TOs. That's the ticket, to Ws.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the test isn't one throw here, and literally another throw there
he's career 54.9%
BP was 67.1%
JG was with SF 67.6%

granted, we ask TL maybe to push it downfield more, but I think at least, you want something starting with a 6 in this offense, not a 5. Guys are open here. Hit your passes. Finish drives with TDs. Limit TOs. That's the ticket, to Ws.

Aren't like 60% of his throws downfield? And yeah his accuracy isn't the best it's still a small sample size though. He's gotta be more consistent indeed