Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
There is no return on the investment of draft capital or salary for Lance at this point. He had 4 games to prove himself, he got injured, and KS lucked into Purdy and is enamored with Darnold.

You can't keep Lance as the #3 for this year or next because it's to no benefit to the team, especially given his salary.

Also, they are now on the clock to not only resign Aiyuk, but also to pay Purdy as the franchise QB. Yes, Purdy is on a dirt cheap contract, but he has leverage to hold out next offseason until he's paid market rate.

In addition, Lance does have leverage to publicly request a trade. The Niners don't want that tension in their locker room.

Purdy can't hold out - rookie contracts prevent that. He has to complete three years of his contract before he is even eligible for an extension. So he will would have to hold out in 2025 training camp.

i think Lance would talk with his agent and see what kind of market he has before doing that. I don't think they're going to get too many offers, at least ones the team will entertain, if he does that. He really has 0 control over the next two years. He isn't the starter so it really doesn't impact the team and I don't think he's the type of make a scene in the locker room. Even if he did, he isn't one of the leaders of the team

If he can't beat out Darnold, then there is no need to hold onto him at this point due to his salary this year and next.

The team can do so, but it would only be out of spite. He's not developing at this point due to limited practice reps and game experience.

Plus, it seems to be affecting his confidence and performance creating a negative feedback loop of him appearing not ready.

It's not in his best interest to stick around to an organization not committed to him.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
How predictable.🙄

Out of 16 plays ran by Lance in week 2, KS called 13 run plays to 3 passes and kept running QB power which predictably resulted in Lance's injury.

At that point he should have ran a play action pass play as Seattle was keyed in to stop the run.

Please respond and tell us how you're just being observant without being emotional.

Honest to God, I hated that movie, but I swear, people can't face (not handle) the truth around here.

I don't care how many games or downs we've seen Trey Lance play in games. Kyle Shanahan, the guy that wants to get rid of preseason games because he can learn all he needs to know from practice, has seen him for Three Years now in practice and preseason, and he's telling us loud and clear, he's not going to roll with him. He doesn't trust him. I don't know why. He seems like a smart kid with a great attitude to me. People keep saying "I don't know why". Actually you do, but don't want to say it. Kyle Doesn't Trust Him !

Would Kyle run 13 run plays to 3 passes above if he did? Would he get his quarterback of the future he invested so much in run Power and get him hurt if he thought he could pick a defense apart with his arm? Would Kyle and John announce Brock is the leader in the clubhouse way early in the preseason when there is no reason, when these guys are famous for saying Nothing (like if they are going to draft Mac Jones, when it shouldn't matter), and never do anything without purpose, unless that reason would be to solicit trade inquiries for Trey, and knowing beyond a doubt that it will? Would Sam Darnold have leaped at becoming our 3rd string quarterback very early on Day One of free agency if that was what he thought the deal was going to be? And now we here a rumor he's already number two? We've heard how Sam was Kyle's draft crush, and the best passer in 49er history. Holly Crap, sign that guy up. Is he ever that effusive with Trey? No, I don't think so. We've seen Kyle call pass plays with Brock in quite dangerous situations that we Never saw in 6 years with Jimmy, or any other quarterback. Trey Lance is not in the same Universe as Brock when it comes to Kyle's confidense. Brandon Allen? WTF is He doing here? Prepping for trading Trey?

Kyle is a smart guy. He can hurt you in games. But only if he can trust his quarterback. He can't do squat if he is afraid to put the ball in your hands. We just had 6 years of that with Jimmy.

This thing is Over. Kyle Trusts Brock. He Thinks he can get Sam there. I don't know. He's soured on Trey. I don't know why, but he's made it clear, it's Over. Is Trey going to be worth more after the season if he's sitting at QB3 and never sees the field, and the new team has to decide on the 5th year option with no more information other than he couldn't beat out Sam Darnold? Will Trey be worth more then? Actually, you do know that answer too.

Lance has had 2 poor days in a row according to Lombardi's opinion

Grant Cohn can have some awful takes at times but he's right on this...how can you really judge Lance or even Darnold based on 5-7 throws a day, lol. There just aren't enough reps to around and especially not enough for QB4 Allen.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
There is no return on the investment of draft capital or salary for Lance at this point. He had 4 games to prove himself, he got injured, and KS lucked into Purdy and is enamored with Darnold.

You can't keep Lance as the #3 for this year or next because it's to no benefit to the team, especially given his salary.

Also, they are now on the clock to not only resign Aiyuk, but also to pay Purdy as the franchise QB. Yes, Purdy is on a dirt cheap contract, but he has leverage to hold out next offseason until he's paid market rate.

In addition, Lance does have leverage to publicly request a trade. The Niners don't want that tension in their locker room.

Purdy can't hold out - rookie contracts prevent that. He has to complete three years of his contract before he is even eligible for an extension. So he will would have to hold out in 2025 training camp.

i think Lance would talk with his agent and see what kind of market he has before doing that. I don't think they're going to get too many offers, at least ones the team will entertain, if he does that. He really has 0 control over the next two years. He isn't the starter so it really doesn't impact the team and I don't think he's the type of make a scene in the locker room. Even if he did, he isn't one of the leaders of the team

If he can't beat out Darnold, then there is no need to hold onto him at this point due to his salary this year and next.

The team can do so, but it would only be out of spite. He's not developing at this point due to limited practice reps and game experience.

Plus, it seems to be affecting his confidence and performance creating a negative feedback loop of him appearing not ready.

It's not in his best interest to stick around to an organization not committed to him.

If he can't beat out Darnold then that's just a sad story. He doesn't even really have to play better than him, just close, that'll give the team the confidence to continue developing him.

im really not worried about Lance. Either he gets better or he doesn't. I'm much more concerned about Purdy improving. I've been over the investment for a while. If he pans out, I'll be really happy for him, but I never really expected it.

people need to accept that the only way he starts here is through injury, and when/if that happens, he just needs to be ready. The competition was never for QB1. Only way that was opening up was if Brock was a shell of himself.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
Grant Cohn can have some awful takes at times but he's right on this...how can you really judge Lance or even Darnold based on 5-7 throws a day, lol. There just aren't enough reps to around and especially not enough for QB4 Allen.

So why do you think Kyle is so insistent on making sure a fourth QB gets reps? Knowing that we won't keep four QBs on the final roster, and odds of him making the practice squad is very unlikely ?

why is he getting more reps than Purdy got last year as QB3? Why is he so insistent on taking a handful of reps from Lance & darnold?

Wouldn't it makes more sense to have just those three and when Brock isn't playing, to split all the reps across those two guys? Like teams usually do.

are they doing it cause Kyle is incompetent? He doesn't know what he is doing? He has absolutely no reason?

idk why he is doing it but he has a reason. Only time will tell what it is.

Going back to the thought that the 49ers may not be showing Lance the professional courtesy he deserves; I don't believe history would affirm that. The FO has a history and reputation for treating their players very well. KS may be looking to see how Lance handles being challenged to earn a backup role over Darnold but it isn't because of a lack of respect for the player. I don't buy that position.

Originally posted by dj43:
Going back to the thought that the 49ers may not be showing Lance the professional courtesy he deserves; I don't believe history would affirm that. The FO has a history and reputation for treating their players very well. KS may be looking to see how Lance handles being challenged to earn a backup role over Darnold but it isn't because of a lack of respect for the player. I don't buy that position.

The professional courtesy would be granting his wish to be traded regardless of how measly the return. And honestly, there is always a trade market for a young QB with potential.

Look at Darnold, he was able to command a 2nd, 4th, and 6th round pick from the Panthers. Granted he has more experience.

Originally posted by dj43:
Going back to the thought that the 49ers may not be showing Lance the professional courtesy he deserves; I don't believe history would affirm that. The FO has a history and reputation for treating their players very well. KS may be looking to see how Lance handles being challenged to earn a backup role over Darnold but it isn't because of a lack of respect for the player. I don't buy that position.

The question is "how long do they need to extend a professional courtesy to him?"
they let him sit his rookie year and learn as QB2. Even played some. They gave him the keys to the franchise in year 2 and he kept getting hurt.

the only thing that changed was someone came in and did what he was supposed to do. You hire a guy to play a specific role at a high level. You don't try and force someone to accomplish that just cause you thought he could. Once the role is filled, you move forward with that. It's no different than a company.

they're currently letting him compete for QB2, which is only one injury away from playing.

people act like they're spitting in the guys face because they're not letting him have the role. He has to earn it at this point and if he can't, then he can't. If he's as special as some think, then he will be displaying it daily in practice and forcing the coaches hands.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The professional courtesy would be granting his wish to be traded regardless of how measly the return. And honestly, there is always a trade market for a young QB with potential.

Look at Darnold, he was able to command a 2nd, 4th, and 6th round pick from the Panthers. Granted he has more experience.

I think one considerable difference, besides the experience, is Darnold gets the bad team excuse and it can be enticing for a person to believe he could be better in a better situation (we're doing this ourselves). Lance is coming from what would be viewed as a situation with an embarrassment of riches for a QB (even though it actually worked against him IMO).

You just said you think we should trade him regardless of the return, but what do you objectively think it would take to get him?

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Lance has had 2 poor days in a row according to Lombardi's opinion

Thats not a good sign for Trey. He needs to improve to make the team. If he doesn't he's gone. But its to early to count any of our QBs out. I have to see how Trey plays in the preseason games to make a final determination for myself. I still believe in Trey.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think one considerable difference, besides the experience, is Darnold gets the bad team excuse and it can be enticing for a person to believe he could be better in a better situation (we're doing this ourselves). Lance is coming from what would be viewed as a situation with an embarrassment of riches for a QB (even though it actually worked against him IMO).

You just said you think we should trade him regardless of the return, but what do you objectively think it would take to get him?

Which is a double edged sword. It's awesome to have but it brings along huge expectations. So not only did we trade a fortune for him, have a top defense, embarrassment of Rich's on offense, but also a top play call/designer.

So I think you're expected to produce at least above average initially.

it's honestly a very tough situation for a raw inexperienced qb to be in. Not just Lance. Then you factor in his injuries, with a team expecting to win now, it just creates problems. Since Trey hasn't really got much Of a chance to play, he's had to display it otherwise in practice, around the facility etc. idk if he has but it feels like Kyle isn't impressed.

no way in hell I just give him away. I'd rather hold onto him instead of just any deal. I think thay would be dumb. I'd rather have the backup instead of a mid round pick or something foolish like that

Could anyone else tell when Eric branch was asking something at Trey's presser? After his line of questioning I was sitting there just thinking "is this guy serious?…" I guess he was really trying to get some controversial soundbite. Basically what he asked was just totally unnecessary and utter bulls**t to be honest. I mean it just came off like he was really trying to humiliate Trey and make him feel like an absolute piece of s**t.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
There is no return on the investment of draft capital or salary for Lance at this point. He had 4 games to prove himself, he got injured, and KS lucked into Purdy and is enamored with Darnold.

You can't keep Lance as the #3 for this year or next because it's to no benefit to the team, especially given his salary.

Also, they are now on the clock to not only resign Aiyuk, but also to pay Purdy as the franchise QB. Yes, Purdy is on a dirt cheap contract, but he has leverage to hold out next offseason until he's paid market rate.

In addition, Lance does have leverage to publicly request a trade. The Niners don't want that tension in their locker room.

Purdy can't hold out - rookie contracts prevent that. He has to complete three years of his contract before he is even eligible for an extension. So he will would have to hold out in 2025 training camp.

i think Lance would talk with his agent and see what kind of market he has before doing that. I don't think they're going to get too many offers, at least ones the team will entertain, if he does that. He really has 0 control over the next two years. He isn't the starter so it really doesn't impact the team and I don't think he's the type of make a scene in the locker room. Even if he did, he isn't one of the leaders of the team

If he can't beat out Darnold, then there is no need to hold onto him at this point due to his salary this year and next.

The team can do so, but it would only be out of spite. He's not developing at this point due to limited practice reps and game experience.

Plus, it seems to be affecting his confidence and performance creating a negative feedback loop of him appearing not ready.

It's not in his best interest to stick around to an organization not committed to him.

In the end we got Brock. They should do the kid a solid and trade him to the afc. I believe he has the potential to be great on another team; could be better than Brock if he gets game experience.

If I was his agent, I'd start demanding a trade. He should be getting more reps in practice. It's only one bad practice but it doesn't look good for the kid.

I wish they let Lance throw it around last year instead of those crap read option plays.

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Could anyone else tell when Eric branch was asking something at Trey's presser? After his line of questioning I was sitting there just thinking "is this guy serious?…" I guess he was really trying to get some controversial soundbite. Basically what he asked was just totally unnecessary and utter bulls**t to be honest. I mean it just came off like he was really trying to humiliate Trey and make him feel like an absolute piece of s**t

Which questions did he ask? I lve only seen snippets of his press conference.