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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho


Florio doesn't know s**t, he just says whatever pops into his empty head.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

How predictable.🙄

Out of 16 plays ran by Lance in week 2, KS called 13 run plays to 3 passes and kept running QB power which predictably resulted in Lance's injury.

At that point he should have ran a play action pass play as Seattle was keyed in to stop the run.

Please respond and tell us how you're just being observant without being emotional.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho


Florio doesn't know s**t, he just says whatever pops into his empty head.

I have to say I don't listen to him much, or follow what he says, or know much about Florio, tbh. Simms reputably has the KS connection, tho I hear he was wrong, on the 2021 draft.

As mentioned, I feel on some level, with Sam here, the club is trying to get a rise out of TL, see if he responds to the challenge. And everyone has their take, on how it will shake out.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
How predictable.🙄

Out of 16 plays ran by Lance in week 2, KS called 13 run plays to 3 passes and kept running QB power which predictably resulted in Lance's injury.

At that point he should have ran a play action pass play as Seattle was keyed in to stop the run.

Please respond and tell us how you're just being observant without being emotional.

This point supports my position, not yours. Instead of benching a guy they didn't feel was ready to run an effective passing attack, they ran an entirely different offense they felt helped him attack a defense and ease into his role. They were attempting to let him grow into the position at the expense of a 'win now' team.

That was an example of malpractice and mismanagement, both for the team and Trey in the end. But it was clearly not due to a lack of commitment to Trey's development and support of him as an individual player. We had two better QBs sidelined for it to happen.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

We reporting vibes now?

Same "vibes" that told them Brock Purdy should be QB3 last year? Great news for Trey! LMAO
[ Edited by SLCNiner on Jul 28, 2023 at 4:05 PM ]
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
It's time for Trey Lance to move on, at this point he's technically a bust as he has not lived up to his draft status (mostly due to Shanahan's negligence), and will not get the reps or games necessary to develop into a good QB.

He has the talent, work ethic, intelligence, maturity, and character to succeed in this league, but it's just not going to work out for him here.

Seeing him putting in the effort to improve his mechanics and continuing to say all the right things in interviews but still getting a lack of support from the organization, media, and a significant portion of the fanbase, makes me think of Jimi Hendrix's "Castles Made of Sand"; a song about the bitter irony of life, in which we sometimes have no control of the final outcome despite putting forth our best efforts.

As it stands he's headed towards the same career path as Sam Bradford, Robert Griffin III, Carson Wentz, and Andrew Luck, talented can't miss prospects undermined by untimely injuries, unmet expectations, and lack of organizational support.

That's football, that's life. Lance, jump ship to Tampa, Houston, or Pittsburgh while you still have a chance to actually compete for a starting spot this season.

Hope Purdy delivers #6 this year, because the team most likely won't be as loaded next year with the potential FA exodus of Aiyuk and Jennings.

"Mostly due to Shanahan negligence"
Seriously? That's a terrible take, it's mostly due to his injury history, combined with a better qb showing up on the roster. Also "a can't miss prospect" is a crazy wild take too considering he had only thrown 400 or so passes in his entire qb career. He was a HUGE risk just because of the picks we used on him, which had been my only beef with him. The team probably expected him to be ready by now, but he still has had so little game time due to injury, that he is still super green. To blame Shanahan because Trey got injured is just ridiculous. It's just bad luck and that's it. Kyle can't waste seasons trying to coddle Trey along, he's got a job to do. I hope they keep Trey around, I think he can learn to play qb given time, but his contract will have to be reworked, we can't be paying a backup as much as he'll be owed after this year.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

We reporting vibes now?

I keep hearing it, some are getting it from PFT like the above, others are getting it from Florio / Simms; this convo
what do we make of it?
I think they are still hashing things out, so everyone is just guessing; I am seeing this vibe in a lot of places tho


Florio doesn't know s**t, he just says whatever pops into his empty head.

I have to say I don't listen to him much, or follow what he says, or know much about Florio, tbh. Simms reputably has the KS connection, tho I hear he was wrong, on the 2021 draft.

As mentioned, I feel on some level, with Sam here, the club is trying to get a rise out of TL, see if he responds to the challenge. And everyone has their take, on how it will shake out.

I certainly hope so, I have never liked Sam as a qb. I am very hopeful that Trey beats him out handily.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
^^ Of course not that I particularly care. I just want the best QB to play. If Trey becomes that, that's probably good because his physical ability if maximized would put him in that Mahomes, Allen, Herbert category. But Purdy can still be a Drew Brees level, Hall of Fame guy if things work out for his development.

We are going to have to beat Mahomes one day to get where we want to be

Purdy is capable of that because he's better than Jimmy and Jimmy almost did it once.

EDIT: Trey Lance.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Jul 28, 2023 at 3:57 PM ]
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Only second day and folks jumping to conclusions lol


This is why I've said all along that I still don't think a trade is out of the realm of possibility, I'm just looking at the teams actions and they've went very far out of their way to make sure Sam & Allen get meaningful snaps to help them learn the offense and get acclimated, at least so far.

I doubt one person would say that the best way to get Lance ready to be the backup or compete for QB1 is to take reps away from him.

I'm not saying it's likely or going to happen, but I think it's clear that they're leaving that door open. Pumping up treys value (really Trey is Doing that himself with the work he's put in, I don't want to take that from him).



It's day 2 bro.

Also entirely possible Shanahan is being paranoid because of what happened last year.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Only second day and folks jumping to conclusions lol


This is why I've said all along that I still don't think a trade is out of the realm of possibility, I'm just looking at the teams actions and they've went very far out of their way to make sure Sam & Allen get meaningful snaps to help them learn the offense and get acclimated, at least so far.

I doubt one person would say that the best way to get Lance ready to be the backup or compete for QB1 is to take reps away from him.

I'm not saying it's likely or going to happen, but I think it's clear that they're leaving that door open. Pumping up treys value (really Trey is Doing that himself with the work he's put in, I don't want to take that from him).



It's day 2 bro.

Also entirely possible Shanahan is being paranoid because of what happened last year.

Things will start taking shape in a few weeks. Judging anything right now is just stupid. I wouldn't even be surprised if they share the 2nd spot in preseason.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
How predictable.🙄

Out of 16 plays ran by Lance in week 2, KS called 13 run plays to 3 passes and kept running QB power which predictably resulted in Lance's injury.

At that point he should have ran a play action pass play as Seattle was keyed in to stop the run.

Please respond and tell us how you're just being observant without being emotional.

This point supports my position, not yours. Instead of benching a guy they didn't feel was ready to run an effective passing attack, they ran an entirely different offense they felt helped him attack a defense and ease into his role. They were attempting to let him grow into the position at the expense of a 'win now' team.

That was an example of malpractice and mismanagement, both for the team and Trey in the end. But it was clearly not due to a lack of commitment to Trey's development and support of him as an individual player. We had two better QBs sidelined for it to happen.

Sure that's why he threw for 11 out of 29 plays the 1st half against CHI the week before.

And you ignore the fact that Seattle was already set up to be exploited against a play action pass play, there was no reason to keep running QB power repeatedly.

And the point of my original post is that it's time for both Trey and the Niners to part ways as it wouldn't benefit either party to continue the relationship.

Whether it's due to Trey's lack of ability or Shanahan's mistake in coaching or drafting him is irrelevant at this point.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Sure that's why he threw for 11 out of 29 plays the 1st half against CHI the week before.

And you ignore the fact that Seattle was already set up to be exploited against a play action pass play, there was no reason to keep running QB power repeatedly.

And the point of my original post is that it's time for both Trey and the Niners to part ways as it wouldn't benefit either party to continue the relationship.

Whether it's due to Trey's lack of ability or Shanahan's mistake in coaching or drafting him is irrelevant at this point.

I don't disagree with you that they shouldn't have been running him like that. I just disagree with your alternative solution, especially if they weren't confident he could do it as a staff. I'd prefer him not playing if he can't do basic things, regardless of his draft investment… especially when the team is primed to go on a SB run. The best player has to be playing to honor that team. But the staff decided development of the player was more important and they tried to thread the needle between that development and winning games.

At the same time, let's not forget how absolutely terrible the Seahawks and Bears run defense was. It was working against Seattle until he was broken.
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
- Traded up and spent three 1st round picks on him.
- Contract worth ~ 40 million dollars
- Two years worth of planning around him including handing him the starting job without competition.

He struggled in his limited time and unfortunately gets injured, effectively wasting an entire offseason of planning strictly for him… including an apparent willingness to allow a Super Bowl team to step back for his development. Another player emerges and shows great promise in the meantime.

Now he's competing for his role on the team just like the vast majority of players that come into the league.

And people think he hasn't received the support of the organization, or the organization has engaged in malpractice. Bonkers.

I find Kyle condradicts himself though. He says Trey losing his starting job had nothing to do with him but more to do with how Brock played. Well if that's the case why bring in Darnold? Why not just name Trey the #2 guy and if Brock is not healthy he becomes #1 until he does? Because afterall Kyle said it had nothing to do with Trey's play and all about how great Brock played. So he should have no problem putting Trey back in there if Brock had a setback.

I have no issue with Brock being the #1, He earned it. My issue is having Trey have to jump through hoops to compete for the #2. How many backup QB competitions do you see in the NFL?

Kyle usually doesn't contradict himself. In this case he might be disappointed with Trey so far and think Trey might be a bust. What exactly do you want him to say to the public if that is what he thinks?
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Sure that's why he threw for 11 out of 29 plays the 1st half against CHI the week before.

And you ignore the fact that Seattle was already set up to be exploited against a play action pass play, there was no reason to keep running QB power repeatedly.

And the point of my original post is that it's time for both Trey and the Niners to part ways as it wouldn't benefit either party to continue the relationship.

Whether it's due to Trey's lack of ability or Shanahan's mistake in coaching or drafting him is irrelevant at this point.

I don't disagree with you that they shouldn't have been running him like that. I just disagree with your alternative solution, especially if they weren't confident he could do it as a staff. I'd prefer him not playing if he can't do basic things, regardless of his draft investment… especially when the team is primed to go on a SB run. The best player has to be playing to honor that team. But the staff decided development of the player was more important and they tried to thread the needle between that development and winning games.

At the same time, let's not forget how absolutely terrible the Seahawks and Bears run defense was. It was working against Seattle until he was broken.

For argument sake, it's irrelevant whether Lance's failure with the the Niners is due to coaching or his ability, the issue is he makes more $ than all the other three QBs combined. That is not acceptable for a likely #3 QB.

At this point the team needs to take the cap hit this year which will only increase next year, get whatever draft comp they can receive and let him try to restart his career elsewhere while the team moves on to focusing on winning a championship now.

Please note that my post isn't really meant for the usual suspects on here, but for the media that follows this thread.

It's just time to move on from Lance, it makes sense from a business standpoint and as a professional courtesy to a player still trying to establish himself.
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
For argument sake, it's irrelevant whether Lance's failure with the the Niners is due to coaching or his ability, the issue is he makes more $ than all the other three QBs combined. That is not acceptable for a likely #3 QB.

At this point the team needs to take the cap hit this year which will only increase next year, get whatever draft comp they can receive and let him try to restart his career elsewhere while the team moves on to focusing on winning a championship now.

Please note that my post isn't really meant for the usual suspects on here, but for the media that follows this thread.

It's just time to move on from Lance, it makes sense from a business standpoint and as a professional courtesy to a player still trying to establish himself.

Putting aside us arguing about whether the team supported Trey enough, I agree with the bulk of this. I will say we owe Trey nothing in terms of professional courtesy. We do what's best for us.

It's day 3 of camp though and he still has an opportunity to compete. It will play out.
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