Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Valid concern...this is where the context comes in. Or I guess as some in this thread like to call them "excuses"

Let's just concentrate on the two losses where the team only scored 10 points in.

@ Arizona -
7 penalties for 60 yards
1-5 on 4th down
Drops, batted down passes on key downs and of course Trey getting stopped at the goalline.

@Chicago
12 penalties for 99 yards
0-2 on 4th down
We know the conditions in that game as well as Deebo's fumble in the redzone.

Do you think if the team added Kittle and CMC to those games they could've scored more points? These are the questions that should be asked.

He had enough weapons where we should've been scoring more than 14 points a game. I don't blame it all on Trey not having enough players around him. I knew from the start that Trey was going to need more time than most highly drafted picks due to lack of playing any football. His injury luck has been so bad that he's been set back almost two years. I want to see his preseason play to see if he looks more comfortable in the offense because he hasn't ever looked it to me, even against the Texans other than about halfway through the third quarter to about halfway through the fourth. I just want to see progress in his ability to make reads on time and getting the ball to his recievers accurately and on time. I don't mind him not winning the starting job, draft status means less to me than it does to the coaches. I just want to see him look like a legit NFL qb instead of a college player struggling to run the offense. I don't blame him or the team for not starting him, Brock has %100 earned the spot. I hope Trey is qb 2 because Sam Darnold is hot garbage.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes we know, which is why Jimmy got brought up. Weird that it's okay to do it to Jimmy, but not Trey. NARRATIVE.

And as I keep saying, I had an issue with it regarding Trey as well, and spent 2 months in timeout because of defending him too harshly. But as someone pointed out yesterday, Trey really wasn't and isn't worthy of any benefit of the doubt because he's proven nothing. Jimmy and Purdy had/have both been successful, so they do deserve benefit of the doubt. Again, strange that they don't get that from some, but Trey does. NARRATIVE.

One player was in his 8th year in the league and 5th in our system, who had yet another terrible playoff game. The other was in his 3rd career start in the rain.

Yet you want these two to be held to the same standard? Laughable.

And I don't think you know what the word narrative means.

One player, the 9ers gave up a s**tload of draft picks for not to mention three possible franchise 1st rounders. And he's someone who should have no excuses right out the gate for what they spent to get him. The 8th year vet, has limitations and is injury prone, but when healthy the 9ers win. Not to mention they only gave up a measly 2nd round pick to get him. So yes, they should be held to the same standards. Lets also not forget Trey Lance has shown he's been just as injury prone as the guy he was replacing.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Um they gave 137 million dollars to keep him. Something that is far more valuable than draft picks. To suggest all Jimmy cost us is a 2 is ridiculous.

So a young player who you trade lots of picks for gets no excuses from the jump but a guy who pay franchise qb money to gets years worth?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think looking at it from this angle is just pointless. Whether a veteran or young inexperienced player deserves to catch more s**t for poor play is beside the point. The focus should be that our team shouldn't be handcuffed by either if we can help it.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Darnold has nothing to do with the conversation because it didn't involve him. You brought him in and I asked why you didn't insinuate that Brock had to beat him out too.

They alternated starting reps in minicamp/OTAs when media access was limited to like 1 out of 3 practices. What we have heard from those practices is that Trey looked much better and Darnold said he's still working on getting the offense down.

There has been no official statement from the 49ers on where Lance/Darnold stand as far as QB2/QB3. We do know Brock has a leg up on the QB1 job.

You can act innocent and pretend you weren't taking a shot at Lance with your response but it's obvious.

The topic at hand and the question involves him. Hello! That's why I brought him into the conversation because he's a key player in any path that Lance has to become the starter and he wasn't mentioned in the guy's post.

It's not news that there's no determination where Lance and Darnold stand as either QB2/QB3. There's a competition for the spot. Pointing that out to someone who completely omitted it from his post is not an insult towards Lance.

I've been completely up front with my feelings about Lance. I'm not 'playing innocent'. You're just reacting emotionally to a very straightforward point I made about the process Lance is going to be involved in that will determine his role with the team. What a clown.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes we know, which is why Jimmy got brought up. Weird that it's okay to do it to Jimmy, but not Trey. NARRATIVE.

And as I keep saying, I had an issue with it regarding Trey as well, and spent 2 months in timeout because of defending him too harshly. But as someone pointed out yesterday, Trey really wasn't and isn't worthy of any benefit of the doubt because he's proven nothing. Jimmy and Purdy had/have both been successful, so they do deserve benefit of the doubt. Again, strange that they don't get that from some, but Trey does. NARRATIVE.

One player was in his 8th year in the league and 5th in our system, who had yet another terrible playoff game. The other was in his 3rd career start in the rain.

Yet you want these two to be held to the same standard? Laughable.

And I don't think you know what the word narrative means.

One player, the 9ers gave up a s**tload of draft picks for not to mention three possible franchise 1st rounders. And he's someone who should have no excuses right out the gate for what they spent to get him. The 8th year vet, has limitations and is injury prone, but when healthy the 9ers win. Not to mention they only gave up a measly 2nd round pick to get him. So yes, they should be held to the same standards. Lets also not forget Trey Lance has shown he's been just as injury prone as the guy he was replacing.

That's a you problem. What the team gave up to get the player doesn't change the simple fact that rookie QBs tend to struggle way more than veteran QBs.

It's incredibly ignorant to ignore Trey's youth and inexperience and hold him up to a higher standard than a seasoned vet simply because the team traded up to get him.

I've seen some terrible takes in here but you're just going for that top spot with this one. Well done.

Originally posted by genus49:
lol stop it. If you simply came in and said "Don't forget he also has to compete with Darnold"

You knew exactly what you were doing with your response.

Fact is if the assumption is that Brock is QB1 then Trey beating him out in camp means he's likely also beating out Darnold. Your post was Lance needing to show he can beat out Sam. Didn't see you questioning whether Purdy beats him out even though 49ers said there would be a competition.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Which do you have a higher expectation of hitting on, draft picks or big fa signings?

I never suggested that teams should be handcuffed by either. One is just worse than the other.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes we know, which is why Jimmy got brought up. Weird that it's okay to do it to Jimmy, but not Trey. NARRATIVE.

And as I keep saying, I had an issue with it regarding Trey as well, and spent 2 months in timeout because of defending him too harshly. But as someone pointed out yesterday, Trey really wasn't and isn't worthy of any benefit of the doubt because he's proven nothing. Jimmy and Purdy had/have both been successful, so they do deserve benefit of the doubt. Again, strange that they don't get that from some, but Trey does. NARRATIVE.

One player was in his 8th year in the league and 5th in our system, who had yet another terrible playoff game. The other was in his 3rd career start in the rain.

Yet you want these two to be held to the same standard? Laughable.

And I don't think you know what the word narrative means.

One player, the 9ers gave up a s**tload of draft picks for not to mention three possible franchise 1st rounders. And he's someone who should have no excuses right out the gate for what they spent to get him. The 8th year vet, has limitations and is injury prone, but when healthy the 9ers win. Not to mention they only gave up a measly 2nd round pick to get him. So yes, they should be held to the same standards. Lets also not forget Trey Lance has shown he's been just as injury prone as the guy he was replacing.

That's a you problem. What the team gave up to get the player doesn't change the simple fact that rookie QBs tend to struggle way more than veteran QBs.

It's incredibly ignorant to ignore Trey's youth and inexperience and hold him up to a higher standard than a seasoned vet simply because the team traded up to get him.

I've seen some terrible takes in here but you're just going for that top spot with this one. Well done.

The post you just replied to was one of the worst posts I have seen in my 10 years on webzone. Just laughable that anyone could actually believe that.

Originally posted by SD49er:
What does Trey have to accomplish in training camp and preseason for him to overtake Purdy? Can he overtake Purdy based on training camp and preseason alone? If not, should the 49ers be cautious with Purdy and hold him out for the first few games even if he is technically able to return so that Trey can start and play with the players you reference so there is an apples to apples comparison? If so, how many games should Trey get and what does he have to show to take Purdy's job?

These are real questions. I am not a Trey hater. I am just trying to understand what it will take for Trey to overtake Purdy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
That is effectively exactly what I said. I couldn't care less that you think I could have said it in a way that didn't trigger you. I'm not catering posts to your immaturity and feelings.

Purdy isn't healthy enough to be involved in an actual competition. Likely won't be medically cleared until very close to the regular season. Should be obvious, but you're lost.

Originally posted by genus49:
I posted SD's post for you again…

Your answer to "what will it take for Trey to overtake Purdy" is "overtaking Darnold"?

Got it…

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Since you guys are having short-term memory issues, I'm reposting these discussions from YESTERDAY. No one said that people were happy the Niners lost or rooting against the Niners. We said that people wanted Jimmy to fail and then gloated about it after the NFCCG. I posted proof of THAT. Don't try and backpedal and change the argument now.

Once again this is not accurate.

Nobody wanted Jimmy to fail considering it likely meant the team loses a playoff game. We lost so obviously people took their shots.

It's no different than Falcons fans blaming their SB collapse on Kyle Shanahan since he was leaving to take our job vs blaming their MVP QB who choked and made critical mistakes or their defensive minded HC that saw his team blow a 28-3 lead. You think those Falcons fans were rooting for Shanahan to fail knowing he was leaving? No, they lost the game and found the easiest scapegoat to take their frustrations out on.

Again, multiple people openly said they wanted Jimmy to fail so that Kyle would move on from him, but they still wanted the Niners to somehow win. Lol yeah okay. It was their veiled attempt to make it seem as if they were still rooting for the Niners. Trying to deny the illogical hate that he received is ridiculous. Yes, Trey got it too. It's pathetic regardless of who it is. Let's just stop pretending that EVERY poster here and every Niners fan is ALWAYS rooting for the team to win no matter what. What an absurd assumption. People follow the team and players for all sorts of reasons, and thus, root for and against the team for all sorts of reasons. It's not that hard.

Once again you're overlooking the proven commodity situation. Jimmy was beloved by most when he came here. I think most people lost it with him during the SB loss. I was in here still defending him. But eventually his limitations were on display repeatedly and it was either hope for a perfect situation or try and improve the position. Even heading into that draft I was hoping we would use the pick to build the team up and go QB to develop in the later rounds. I was even fine with Mac Jones at 12 because he seemed like a Jimmy like player who would be cheaper, younger and with maybe better ability to throw it deep.

Once we moved on to 3 it was clear the team wanted to improve the position and didn't think they were getting enough from Jimmy. You have a hard time understanding the difference between a proven guy who had lots of opportunity to show the team he's their guy vs someone who hasn't had that chance or even close to it.

They should not get the same treatment as far as expectations.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Not a single one of these posts show that anyone was rooting against Jimmy or happy we lost. Not a one.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes we know, which is why Jimmy got brought up. Weird that it's okay to do it to Jimmy, but not Trey. NARRATIVE.

And as I keep saying, I had an issue with it regarding Trey as well, and spent 2 months in timeout because of defending him too harshly. But as someone pointed out yesterday, Trey really wasn't and isn't worthy of any benefit of the doubt because he's proven nothing. Jimmy and Purdy had/have both been successful, so they do deserve benefit of the doubt. Again, strange that they don't get that from some, but Trey does. NARRATIVE.

One player was in his 8th year in the league and 5th in our system, who had yet another terrible playoff game. The other was in his 3rd career start in the rain.

Yet you want these two to be held to the same standard? Laughable.

And I don't think you know what the word narrative means.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Posters were openly rooting against Jimmy. They literally said those words lol stop it. "I want the Niners to win, but I also want Jimmy to suck so that we move on from him."

Also:

I don't have the time nor the inclination to go further back, but there are plenty of posts like this. They may not like Trey more than the Niners, but some people prioritize being "right," over their fandom of the team. And their posts reflect that, so it's natural that people view them as being more of a fan of Trey than the Niners. Let's not act like this is some crazy thought.

I remember that.

Some were gleeful when we lost to the Rams because they thought it was the end of that QB. Only for 2022 to happen. Oops…

also, there was a poster openly hoping for Purdy to be still injured until after week 8 to see give Lance a shot. If that ain't putting Lance above the rest of the team then I don't know what is.

Oh that's right! Damn who the heck was that. Good one. I'm sure plenty more examples.